Annual chance of American killed by refugee in terrorist attack: 1 in 3.6 billion

[laughing dog]

Prove it.

This is a retrospective estimate which does't matter because it happened. Do they care about statistics. Only a very few are killed of course.

In other words, a pointless remark.

 

[Jolly_Penguin]

So Americans are cowards and xenophobes. This isn't news.

 

[Harry Bosch]

So Americans are cowards and xenophobes. This isn't news.

Some are. Some aren't.

 

[Nice Squirrel]

I have no problem with Jehovah Witnesses, Seventh Day Adventist, and Scientologists entering our country. I am not a coward. I can take the 1 in 3.6 billion chance to let others active their dreams.

I look at things as a matter of space for housing and schooling. The UK has shortages in housing schools and hospitals. (The other day a patient was having an operation and when he was wheeled back to his ward, his bed had been stolen.)

We don't have such shortages. Thanks for playing.

 

[Axulus]

Given the disaster that is going on in Europe with mass migration of Muslims I can understand why US would want to put in brakes on "refugee" resettlement from Islamic countries. Especially those that have a high ratio of fundamentalist Islamists.

We do not need more US town becoming Clarkston, Ga.

The negative effect on US culture, economy and freedoms is under vastly greater threat from demogagues like Trump and those who support his views than the phantom menace of refugees. The comparable risks are so vastly far apart that it is almost pure delusion to focus heavily on the one but to almost give the other a pass.

 

[untermensche]

What dictators like to do with their decrees is divide and provoke. And they wish for unrest and hope for violence. This allows them to crack down.

 

[Axulus]

Another interesting thing to note, a large number of the redneck hicks that voted for Trump live in places that are never targeted by terrorists. Those who live in actual big cities that tend to be targeted, like NYC and Boston that have been hit by attacks, overwhelmingly oppose Trump and his Muslim/refugee ban.

This president and his supporters are a huge disgrace.

 

[bilby]

Given the disaster that is going on in Europe with mass migration of Muslims I can understand ...

There is no such disaster.

You are being systematically lied to by people who wish to destroy your freedom and the freedoms of others; and your acceptance of their lies is assisting them in so doing.

 

[barbos]

lightnings strikes surprisingly large number of people.

Jihadists kill about 15 Americans per year. Lightening kills about 40 Americans per year.

Yes, 40 is surprisingly large number. I have been caught in the open field during thunderstorm few times, walking and watching how lightnings hit ground here and there. You suddenly forget about statistics.

 

[barbos]

Annual chance of American killed by refugee in terrorist attack: 1 in 3.6 billion

This does not seem correct. Boston bombing resulted in 6 people dead plus larger number of seriously injured.
This terror act alone would have to be averaged over 40 years to have 1 in 3.6 billion odds.
Such averaging would be grossly inappropriate because number and quality of refugees from Muslim countries were vastly different 40 years ago,

 

[Axulus]

Annual chance of American killed by refugee in terrorist attack: 1 in 3.6 billion

This does not seem correct. Boston bombing resulted in 6 people dead plus larger number of seriously injured.
This terror act alone would have to be averaged over 40 years to have 1 in 3.6 billion odds.
Such averaging would be grossly inappropriate because number and quality of refugees from Muslim countries were vastly different 40 years ago,

The Boston bombers weren't refugees. As the OP describes, only 3 ppl have been killed by refugee terrorist attack in the US, all in the 70's. If you want to exclude the 70s then the odds, based on historical data, are 0.

 

[barbos]

This does not seem correct. Boston bombing resulted in 6 people dead plus larger number of seriously injured.
This terror act alone would have to be averaged over 40 years to have 1 in 3.6 billion odds.
Such averaging would be grossly inappropriate because number and quality of refugees from Muslim countries were vastly different 40 years ago,

They weren't refugees.

They were.

 

[Axulus]

They weren't refugees.

They were.

Might have to do with the definition of refugee vs asylee. They were granted asylum, not refugee. Although the risk is still incredibly low whether we are talking about 1 in 3.6 billion or 1 in 900 million. You are just nitpicking over irrelevancies.

 

[barbos]

They were.

Might have to do with the definition of refugee vs asylee. They were granted asylum, not refugee. Although the risk is still incredibly low whether we are talking about 1 in 3.6 billion or 1 in 900 million. You are just nitpicking over irrelevancies.

At least unlike you I know I am nitpicking. Still, I have shown 1 in 3.6 billion number is bullshit.

 

[Axulus]

Might have to do with the definition of refugee vs asylee. They were granted asylum, not refugee. Although the risk is still incredibly low whether we are talking about 1 in 3.6 billion or 1 in 900 million. You are just nitpicking over irrelevancies.

At least unlike you I know I am nitpicking. Still, I have shown 1 in 3.6 billion number is bullshit.

Please show us your calculation of the non "bullshit" number. If you can't do that, then your point means nothing.

 

[barbos]

At least unlike you I know I am nitpicking. Still, I have shown 1 in 3.6 billion number is bullshit.

Please show us your calculation of the non "bullshit" number. If you can't do that, then your point means nothing.

Based on Boston bombing alone odds are much higher than 1/3.6bil.

 

[untermensche]

Please show us your calculation of the non "bullshit" number. If you can't do that, then your point means nothing.

Based on Boston bombing alone odds are much higher than 1/3.6bil.

Boston bombers did not come from a country the dictator thinks is a problem, with no evidence.

 

[barbos]

Based on Boston bombing alone odds are much higher than 1/3.6bil.

Boston bombers did not come from a country the dictator thinks is a problem, with no evidence.

So this 1/3.6 bill number is based on "refugees" from these 7 countries only?

 

[untermensche]

Boston bombers did not come from a country the dictator thinks is a problem, with no evidence.

So this 1/3.6 bill number is based on "refugees" from these 7 countries only?

Those 7 countries, with current vetting procedures, represent no special threat.

It is insane to do it. Based on no evidence.

Based purely on prejudices.

We have a dictator making decrees based purely on his personal prejudices.

And some quibble over perhaps a thousandth of a percentage.

 

[barbos]

So this 1/3.6 bill number is based on "refugees" from these 7 countries only?

Those 7 countries, with current vetting procedures, represent no special threat.

It is insane to do it. Based on no evidence.

Based purely on prejudices.

We have a dictator making decrees based purely on his personal prejudices.

And some quibble over perhaps a thousandth of a percentage.

That's all true but imagine a small country but 30% of their refugees by statistics are terrorists. Assuming no vetting helps you to determine potential terrorists, will you let small number of refugees from that county? 1 person a year maybe? knowing that there is 30% chance that person will commit a terrorist act.