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I took a few liberties on the latest school based atrocity... that oddly didn't actually involve CRT or LGBT shit.

Uvalde, TX -- More people are dead, including several children, after an "active shooter" incident at Robb Fucking Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, law enforcement sources told ABC News.

There are conflicting reports on whether fucking suspect is also dead or has been apprehended.

Uvalde Memorial Hospital has confirmed to ABC News that two children died from presumed gunshot injuries in the incident, and presumably those two families will be fucking scarred for decades.

Additionally, 13 students were being treated in the hospital's emergency department in the wake of the incident, the hospital said. Two patients were transferred to San Antonio for treatment, while a third was pending transfer, the hospital said. A 45-year-old was also hospitalized after getting grazed by a bullet, the hospital said. Countless children will be scarred for years to come.

The NRA couldn't be reached for an opinion because they are busy dealing with insolvency.

The mass shooting, has become a right of passage in America, where a growing number of teenagers feel that if they haven't experienced at least one by graduation, it leaves them feeling diminished.

It is currently unknown when the next fucking mass shooting will occur in America. But don't worry, it'll fucking happen. And children will fucking die. And nothing will fucking change.
 

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Are we having fun yet?

Around here it is not a dozen at a time, it is two or three. Random shootings mostky by teens and young adults.

Recently a car with four teens on their way to get ice cream had their car riddled with bullets while stopped at a red light. An apparent random shooting.


This has become somewhat routine around here. Random shooting, assaults, and stabbings s of people walking down the street. We had our building hit by bullets in a drive by shooting. We are used to hearing gunshots at night.


 

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We had drive by shooting last night here. Apparently two cars shooting at one another. Thank you NRA for the Wild West craziness.
 

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It seems this guy was on the run for murder and happened upon the elementary school. Sucks.
 

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Reports I read said the murderer was an 18 year old student at the same school. The BBC is reporting 14 students killed along with a teacher. Lots of crocodile tears being shed.
 

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In high school in the 60s a kid had blow up with a teacher. The next day he went up on the roof with a gun. The classroom I was in had an window angle to the roof and we had to go into the hall.

The kid shot himself in the head.

Stamford Ct. At the time pretty peaceful and quiet bedroom community for NYC.

In the day I would yake that event as isolated. Guns were a lot easier to get back then. Mail order no quetions asked.

I think our current problem is mostly cultural. Across all ages we are awash in movies, music, and video games where violence and killing is associated with masculinity. They are designed to make a teenage male's pecker stand at attention.

Look at the Fast And Furious movies. Adverting 101, repeated images make a connection in the brain.

In pop culture there no longer seems to be a dividng line between adolescent and adult behavior.
 

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Reports I read said the murderer was an 18 year old student at the same school. The BBC is reporting 14 students killed along with a teacher. Lots of crocodile tears being shed.
It is a grammar school. They are looking to see if he had been a student when younger.
 

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I think our current problem is mostly cultural.

I think it's genetic - a product of overpopulation-meets-technology.
I know a lot of people who will start in on the vast theoretical "carrying capacity" of the earth at the first mention of overpopulation. But my definition has nothing to do with carrying capacity. It's about sustainable quality of life.
 

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Maybe that is a good point. Too many peoplke in too small a plce.

There are rats who if put in a crowded environment will turn on each other when the population reaches a certain level.


But what about Japan?
 

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This shooting will probably fade from public consciousness even more quickly than Sandy Hook, which made a big splash. However, Texas is one of the worst states for gun fetishism, so the gun lobby will be able to bat down calls for new gun control legislation fairly easily. Almost all the politicians there brag about how good they are with guns.
 

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This shooting will probably fade from public consciousness even more quickly than Sandy Hook, which made a big splash. However, Texas is one of the worst states for gun fetishism, so the gun lobby will be able to bat down calls for new gun control legislation fairly easily. Almost all the politicians there brag about how good they are with guns.
What is the point of new laws if the old ones are not enforced? It’s a straw man that conservatives don’t want to get illegal guns off the streets. But if local judges and prosecutors are lenient on criminals using guns, what do you expect? ACAB! Abolish prisons! Bail reform! Okay.
 

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We had drive by shooting last night here. Apparently two cars shooting at one another. Thank you NRA for the Wild West craziness.
Yeah. Those were certainly NRA members.
Thanks to the NRA, here in Texas, nobody needs a license to carry a gun. Any punk can carry, and many do. So we get lots of road rage shootings,gang bangers shooting each other, and stupid people who's kids find a gun in mommie's purse and shoot mommie's or themselves.
 

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Maybe that is a good point. Too many peoplke in too small a plce.

There are rats who if put in a crowded environment will turn on each other when the population reaches a certain level.


But what about Japan?
Or Hong Kong?

Population: 7,413,070 (2021 census)
Density: 6,801/km2 (17,614.5/sq mi)
Intentional homicide victims per 100,000 inhabitants: 0.3 (2020)

There are dozens of these in Hong Kong

Highrise-Building-in-Hongkong.jpg
 

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Hong Kong and other dense population centers are good arguments for cultural differences.

It did used to be much easier to obtain a gun in the U.S. back when I was a kid. Are there statistics for gun deaths per 1000 from 1950 to today? That might be interesting.

Information on gun deaths over time

Just looking at the graphs it appears gun deaths per 100,000 hasn't changed much over the years.

Of course schools and young kids aren't flushed out in the numbers.
 

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I think our current problem is mostly cultural.

I think it's genetic - a product of overpopulation-meets-technology.
I know a lot of people who will start in on the vast theoretical "carrying capacity" of the earth at the first mention of overpopulation. But my definition has nothing to do with carrying capacity. It's about sustainable quality of life.
I think you are both crazy.

Other places have American movies and entertainment. Other places have higher population densities.

Nowhere else has your daft second amendment, and nowhere else has significant numbers of school shootings.

It’s not fucking difficult to see where the problem comes from.

You repealed the eighteenth amendment; Now either repeal the second, or stop pretending to care.

And either way, stop looking for explanations that fly in the face of reality. Culture and population density my hairy arse. Get a fucking grip.
 

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Satirical site, The Onion, keeps recycling an article article with this headline:

'No Way To Prevent This,' Says Only Nation Where This Regularly Happens

Each article is about 200 words long, detailing the location of the shooting and the number of victims but otherwise remaining essentially the same. A fictitious resident of a state in which the shooting did not take place is quoted as saying that the shooting was "a terrible tragedy", but "there's nothing anyone can do to stop them". The article ends by pointing out that the United States is the "only economically advanced nation in the world where roughly two mass shootings have occurred every month for the past eight years" and that Americans view themselves and the situation as "helpless".
Latest example (16 May 2022) here.
 

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Congress member Tony Gonzales (R, Texas) believes school mass shootings are the will of God. He quotes Matthew 19:14 to support his opinion:

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This shooting will probably fade from public consciousness even more quickly than Sandy Hook, which made a big splash.
Well the shooter wasn’t white so I do expect the story to fade rather quickly. Or a weird narrative about white oppression starting this young man on his path to death and destruction.
 

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Congress member Tony Gonzales (R, Texas) believes school mass shootings are the will of God. He quotes Matthew 19:14 to support his opinion:

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It's understandable that people want to comfort themselves. How they do so is many times quite contradictory and irrational.
 

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This shooting will probably fade from public consciousness even more quickly than Sandy Hook, which made a big splash.
Well the shooter wasn’t white so I do expect the story to fade rather quickly. Or a weird narrative about white oppression starting this young man on his path to death and destruction.
Temped to say something but what's the point. Some people are hopeless.
 

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If you start with the UT tower gunman, and filter out every shooting since with less than 10 victims, this one puts Texas over 100 in the number of deaths from mass shootings.

Texas. A state trying to win the "most lax gun laws in the US" contest. Texas. A state whose Attorney General today said the real problem was that not enough people are armed.
 

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The kid that shot up the school in Oxford, MI had a short manifesto too. He hoped his crime would get Biden thrown out of office.
 

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It did used to be much easier to obtain a gun in the U.S. back when I was a kid. Are there statistics for gun deaths per 1000 from 1950 to today? That might be interesting.
It may have been much easier but that doesn't mean more people took advantage of that easiness.
 

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Congress member Tony Gonzales (R, Texas) believes school mass shootings are the will of God. He quotes Matthew 19:14 to support his opinion:

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The kids can wait!

One article I read implied he was bullied and sounds like he became broken.
 

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This shooting will probably fade from public consciousness even more quickly than Sandy Hook, which made a big splash.
Well the shooter wasn’t white so I do expect the story to fade rather quickly. Or a weird narrative about white oppression starting this young man on his path to death and destruction.

Of course! I knew that there was some kind of racial issue at play here. :rolleyes:
 

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I think our current problem is mostly cultural.

I think it's genetic - a product of overpopulation-meets-technology.
I know a lot of people who will start in on the vast theoretical "carrying capacity" of the earth at the first mention of overpopulation. But my definition has nothing to do with carrying capacity. It's about sustainable quality of life.
If you compare the population density in the US with most of the rest of the world, this theory falls apart completely.
 

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This shooting will probably fade from public consciousness even more quickly than Sandy Hook, which made a big splash. However, Texas is one of the worst states for gun fetishism, so the gun lobby will be able to bat down calls for new gun control legislation fairly easily. Almost all the politicians there brag about how good they are with guns.
What is the point of new laws if the old ones are not enforced? It’s a straw man that conservatives don’t want to get illegal guns off the streets. But if local judges and prosecutors are lenient on criminals using guns, what do you expect? ACAB! Abolish prisons! Bail reform! Okay.

I see. So your idea is that mass shootings like this happen because of liberals and lenient law enforcement. What's the point of actually making it difficult for a troubled teenager to buy two assault rifles on his 18th birthday? The solution is to get tougher on criminals using guns. That kid would have thought twice before walking into an elementary school in body armor (in case the teachers and kids were armed) with two assault rifles. :hopelessness:
 

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I think our current problem is mostly cultural.

I think it's genetic - a product of overpopulation-meets-technology.
I know a lot of people who will start in on the vast theoretical "carrying capacity" of the earth at the first mention of overpopulation. But my definition has nothing to do with carrying capacity. It's about sustainable quality of life.
If you compare the population density in the US with most of the rest of the world, this theory falls apart completely.
Average population density includes places like Wyoming and Kansas.
 

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Here in Seattle it is exacerbated by a diminished police force, but the amount of violent crime is overwhelming regardless.

At the beginning of the year in Seattle there was court backlog of about 4,000 cases.

The progressive mantra is we are going to treat all as a mental problem and treat our way out of the crisis.

It is not hard to understand. When Washington state law prohibits high speed chase unlees it is say a child being kidnapped car thefts go up.

If there is no fear of punishment or there is a lack of empathy for others or if someone does not care if he lives or dies, the result is mass shootings and random shootings.
 

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I think our current problem is mostly cultural.

I think it's genetic - a product of overpopulation-meets-technology.
I know a lot of people who will start in on the vast theoretical "carrying capacity" of the earth at the first mention of overpopulation. But my definition has nothing to do with carrying capacity. It's about sustainable quality of life.
If you compare the population density in the US with most of the rest of the world, this theory falls apart completely.
Average population density includes places like Wyoming and Kansas.

But the problem in the US isn't population density, which is much worse in many other developed countries than in the US. It is the easy availability of guns, especially military style weapons that lend themselves to mass murder, and extremely lax regulation on gun ownership. That is an American thing.
 

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This shooting will probably fade from public consciousness even more quickly than Sandy Hook, which made a big splash. However, Texas is one of the worst states for gun fetishism, so the gun lobby will be able to bat down calls for new gun control legislation fairly easily. Almost all the politicians there brag about how good they are with guns.
What is the point of new laws if the old ones are not enforced? It’s a straw man that conservatives don’t want to get illegal guns off the streets. But if local judges and prosecutors are lenient on criminals using guns, what do you expect? ACAB! Abolish prisons! Bail reform! Okay.
Do you have any evidence that there is leniency in TEXAS ( a very red state) where this shooting occurred?
 

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These shootings will continue sporadically (at least I hope only sporadically) until enough US citizens become sufficiently sickened to act. I seriously doubt that is going to happen in my lifetime or that of my children.
 

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If there is no fear of punishment or there is a lack of empathy for others or if someone does not care if he lives or dies, the result is mass shootings and random shootings.
hard disagree - this is entirely the wrong take, IMO, and is a sad view of the world for you to have.

it's not about a fear of punishment, it's about a reduction in humanity caused by late stage capitalism.

seattle is a perfect example: predatory capitalism leads to vast wealth inequality, which leads to insane levels of gentrification that causes massive displacement.
that displacement leads to a domino effect on its own, and then combined with the national situation for the last 5 years and what you end up with is a huge number of people who have been ejected from the social contract.

i've been saying this for years: if you shit on people long enough and deprive them of their end of the benefit from adhering to the rule of law, eventually they're going to stop adhering to the rule of law.
people in the US so easily forget that civilization only works when everyone agrees to participate, and everyone will only agree to participate if they're getting something from the deal.
 

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But the problem in the US isn't population density, which is much worse in many other developed countries than in the US. It is the easy availability of guns, especially military style weapons that lend themselves to mass murder, and extremely lax regulation on gun ownership. That is an American thing.
especially where it concerns school shootings i think a huge issue is cultural - specifically, that in the US the people hate nothing more than someone who stands up to a bully.
it's OK to be a bully in the US, in fact it's passively accepted. and if you're a jock or otherwise belong to the social of economic upper class, it's actively protected from any sort of limitation or retribution.
but... if you're a kid who gets bullied, and you stand up to the bullying and you fight back, the school administration system will bring the hammer of fucking god down on you, and you'll find that defending yourself is an intolerable crime that gets you lectured and shamed and punished.

the lesson is that being a bully has zero consequence and you can escalate as much as you want.
the lesson is that you have no options within the existing system to stop bullying and so your only recourse is to go outside the system.
 

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I think our current problem is mostly cultural.

I think it's genetic - a product of overpopulation-meets-technology.
I know a lot of people who will start in on the vast theoretical "carrying capacity" of the earth at the first mention of overpopulation. But my definition has nothing to do with carrying capacity. It's about sustainable quality of life.
If you compare the population density in the US with most of the rest of the world, this theory falls apart completely.
Average population density includes places like Wyoming and Kansas.
What? There are no rural areas in Great Britain? France? Sweden? The US population density is fairly low, particularly among the developed nations. We're not too over populated.
 

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But the problem in the US isn't population density, which is much worse in many other developed countries than in the US. It is the easy availability of guns, especially military style weapons that lend themselves to mass murder, and extremely lax regulation on gun ownership. That is an American thing.
especially where it concerns school shootings i think a huge issue is cultural - specifically, that in the US the people hate nothing more than someone who stands up to a bully.
it's OK to be a bully in the US, in fact it's passively accepted. and if you're a jock or otherwise belong to the social of economic upper class, it's actively protected from any sort of limitation or retribution.
but... if you're a kid who gets bullied, and you stand up to the bullying and you fight back, the school administration system will bring the hammer of fucking god down on you, and you'll find that defending yourself is an intolerable crime that gets you lectured and shamed and punished.

the lesson is that being a bully has zero consequence and you can escalate as much as you want.
the lesson is that you have no options within the existing system to stop bullying and so your only recourse is to go outside the system.
I've lived in the US all my life and I've never found any of that to be even a little bit true.
 

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I've lived in the US all my life and I've never found any of that to be even a little bit true.
i've lived in the US my entire life and i've found it extremely true, though granted i've found it extremely true anecdotally because it's largely one of those things that IMO is like how "anti-abortion people don't care about life, they care about controlling women" is true even though i don't know i could prove it to a standard of scientific scrutiny.

anyways...
obviously our culture pays lip service to the idea that bullying is bad, but if you look at the reality behind how we treat the existence of bullying it proves the lie.
what do we say about bullying? "ignore them and they'll go away" or "don't stoop to their level" or "just go tell an adult" - the narrative about bullying is always about how to respond to it, how to passively defend yourself or how to retreat and beg a higher authority to intervene.
(excepting the single "punch 'em in the nose" cliche but even that is always shown as a radical notion outside of the bounds of accepted behavior)

the narrative in the US is *never* about what a piece of shit you are for bullying and how being an asshole is socially intolerable.
the lessons and the lectures are never about framing life within civilization about cooperation and tolerance, it's always about "well boys will be boys what can ya do"

we love the idea that the scrappy underdog will stand up and take a swing at their oppressors, but the reality is that if you do that what ends up happening is you get suspended for a week for fighting and the kid who was harassing you for 3 months leading up to that is told "oh now be nice" and otherwise left alone.
 
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