jladam
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Very sad. I retired here to the Dominican Republic in part watching Anthony Bourdain on Parts Unknown. I will miss him. RIP.
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Thomas II
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I hear you, clearly, but these people, Bourdain and Spade, among many others, were millionaires, successful, and they had young kids, so they had means, motivation, friends, fame, respect, support...
There was probably an emotional trauma at an early age, then, maybe, a self medication or a prescribed medication, or the combination of both. Addiction, and yada, yada, yada, ending in a chemical imbalance and a "Ah,fuck this shit!" moment. Chemical imbalance is huge! And there are many factors affecting that chemical imbalance, socially and individually.
Lack of income is also a form of imbalance. No surprise that it's more prevalent in the rust belt and Appalachia.
Bourdain just suffered from literal mental illness.
fast
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Your underlying argument is unsound.
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I fear that we are 'normalising' suicide/euthanasia
Sad too because he was a foody who so often brought us the joy of comfort food.
Are you suggesting this is the result of "moving away from God" or something?
Did I mention God? No.
As I said...
Angra Mainyu
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I had never heard of him before, but a quick search indicates he probably was an atheist. For example:
https://ffrf.org/news/day/dayitems/item/23186-anthony-bourdain
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/progre...-atheist-anthony-bourdain-is-burning-in-hell/
DolphinDynasty
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And he was so charismatic and thought provoking in other things too, types of food, music, other bits of culture not just the people but the history. Gosh I'm gonna miss his work.
Underseer
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Even if what you say about Bourdain is true, just look at that map.
That is clearly the result of large scale changes in society, and the amount of human suffering represented by that map is difficult to wrap one's head around. Despite what conservatives and libertarians have been saying for decades, I don't think fellating the economic elites is making anything better for anyone but the elites.
Thomas II
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https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-44416727
Is there a link between suicide and mental illness?
The CDC study found that 54% of Americans who died by suicide had no known mental health illness.
Dr Jerry Reed of the National Action Alliance for Suicide Prevention told the BBC says that while there is "definitely a relationship between serious mental illness and suicidal behaviour", experts have found it is not just a mental health challenge.
"Economic conditions or livelihood opportunities in decline could lead people to positions where they're at risk. We need to intervene in both mental and public health cases," Dr Reed says.
Prof Cerel also pointed out that many people diagnosed with mental illnesses never take their own life.
"It's not a simplistic 'they have mental issues, they killed themselves.'"
She added, however, that existing data may be under-representing the true extent of mental illness in the US.
"Whether [officials] think it's mental health or not is based on a box on the forms that a medical examiner checks," she says.
"If they have no family members to talk to at the scene, they have no idea if mental health was the case. Some coroners go back and do a thorough investigation, some don't."
Dr Stone says the CDC study showed loss, substance abuse, physical health, job and legal problems were all important factors.
"If we focus just on one thing we're really missing some of the people who are potentially at risk," she says.
As I said "there are many factors affecting that chemical imbalance, socially and individually."
And,yes, I liked Bourdain's show and he will be missed.
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Underseer
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https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-44416727
Is there a link between suicide and mental illness?
The CDC study found that 54% of Americans who died by suicide had no known mental health illness.
Dr Jerry Reed of the National Action Alliance for Suicide Prevention told the BBC says that while there is "definitely a relationship between serious mental illness and suicidal behaviour", experts have found it is not just a mental health challenge.
"Economic conditions or livelihood opportunities in decline could lead people to positions where they're at risk. We need to intervene in both mental and public health cases," Dr Reed says.
Prof Cerel also pointed out that many people diagnosed with mental illnesses never take their own life.
"It's not a simplistic 'they have mental issues, they killed themselves.'"
She added, however, that existing data may be under-representing the true extent of mental illness in the US.
"Whether [officials] think it's mental health or not is based on a box on the forms that a medical examiner checks," she says.
"If they have no family members to talk to at the scene, they have no idea if mental health was the case. Some coroners go back and do a thorough investigation, some don't."
Dr Stone says the CDC study showed loss, substance abuse, physical health, job and legal problems were all important factors.
"If we focus just on one thing we're really missing some of the people who are potentially at risk," she says.
As I said "there are many factors affecting that chemical imbalance, socially and individually."
And,yes, I liked Bourdain's show and he will be missed.
Sure, but during the boom between WW2 and Reagan, we didn't have this many suicides, did we?
If you want to say this is caused by mental illness and not economics, and you want to say that the mental illness is not a product of stress created by the ever-growing wealth gap, ever-growing poverty, and the ever-shrinking middle class, do you have any studies that factor all of those things out? And why the sudden growth in mental illness that happens to coincide with a massive increase in poverty?
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Yes, I think you did.https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-44416727
Is there a link between suicide and mental illness?
The CDC study found that 54% of Americans who died by suicide had no known mental health illness.
Dr Jerry Reed of the National Action Alliance for Suicide Prevention told the BBC says that while there is "definitely a relationship between serious mental illness and suicidal behaviour", experts have found it is not just a mental health challenge.
"Economic conditions or livelihood opportunities in decline could lead people to positions where they're at risk. We need to intervene in both mental and public health cases," Dr Reed says.
Prof Cerel also pointed out that many people diagnosed with mental illnesses never take their own life.
"It's not a simplistic 'they have mental issues, they killed themselves.'"
She added, however, that existing data may be under-representing the true extent of mental illness in the US.
"Whether [officials] think it's mental health or not is based on a box on the forms that a medical examiner checks," she says.
"If they have no family members to talk to at the scene, they have no idea if mental health was the case. Some coroners go back and do a thorough investigation, some don't."
Dr Stone says the CDC study showed loss, substance abuse, physical health, job and legal problems were all important factors.
"If we focus just on one thing we're really missing some of the people who are potentially at risk," she says.
As I said "there are many factors affecting that chemical imbalance, socially and individually."
And,yes, I liked Bourdain's show and he will be missed.
Sure, but during the boom between WW2 and Reagan, we didn't have this many suicides, did we?
The suicide rate per 100,000 resident population in the USA stayed about the same (around 12 and a bit to 13 and a bit - say 12.7 plus or minus 0.5) from 1950 (13.2) until 1990 (12.5); then dropped to a low in about 2000 (10.4), and since then has climbed back up to roughly the same place it started - 13.3 in 2015
What caused the drop in the 1990s, and what reversed that trend after the turn of the century, is anyone's guess. Perhaps the end of the cold war caused an uptick in national mood, that was dashed by 9/11 and the start of the war on terror. Or perhaps not.
Certainly there seems to be no backing for the claim that today's suicide rate is significantly higher than that of the period from 1950-1990, which covers most of 'WWII - Reagan'.
(Source)
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Thomas II
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Yes, I think you did.https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-44416727
Is there a link between suicide and mental illness?
The CDC study found that 54% of Americans who died by suicide had no known mental health illness.
Dr Jerry Reed of the National Action Alliance for Suicide Prevention told the BBC says that while there is "definitely a relationship between serious mental illness and suicidal behaviour", experts have found it is not just a mental health challenge.
"Economic conditions or livelihood opportunities in decline could lead people to positions where they're at risk. We need to intervene in both mental and public health cases," Dr Reed says.
Prof Cerel also pointed out that many people diagnosed with mental illnesses never take their own life.
"It's not a simplistic 'they have mental issues, they killed themselves.'"
She added, however, that existing data may be under-representing the true extent of mental illness in the US.
"Whether [officials] think it's mental health or not is based on a box on the forms that a medical examiner checks," she says.
"If they have no family members to talk to at the scene, they have no idea if mental health was the case. Some coroners go back and do a thorough investigation, some don't."
Dr Stone says the CDC study showed loss, substance abuse, physical health, job and legal problems were all important factors.
"If we focus just on one thing we're really missing some of the people who are potentially at risk," she says.
As I said "there are many factors affecting that chemical imbalance, socially and individually."
And,yes, I liked Bourdain's show and he will be missed.
Sure, but during the boom between WW2 and Reagan, we didn't have this many suicides, did we?
The suicide rate per 100,000 resident population in the USA stayed about the same (around 12 and a bit to 13 and a bit - say 12.7 plus or minus 0.5) from 1950 (13.2) until 1990 (12.5); then dropped to a low in about 2000 (10.4), and since then has climbed back up to roughly the same place it started - 13.3 in 2015
What caused the drop in the 1990s, and what reversed that trend after the turn of the century, is anyone's guess. Perhaps the end of the cold war caused an uptick in national mood, that was dashed by 9/11 and the start of the war on terror. Or perhaps not.
Certainly there seems to be no backing for the claim that today's suicide rate is significantly higher than that of the period from 1950-1990, which covers most of 'WWII - Reagan'.
(Source)
https://www.befrienders.org/suicide-statistics
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/11/opinion/suicide-rates-increase-anthony-bourdain-kate-spade.html
"The rate of suicide in the United States increased 28 percent from 1999 to 2016, according to a report last week from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. In 2016 alone, 45,000 Americans took their own lives.
You would think that we were in the midst of a suicide epidemic, an alarming prospect that was underscored by the deaths last week of both Kate Spade and Anthony Bourdain.
But the truth is that things have been this bad — and worse — many times in our history. The prevalence of suicide has fluctuated over time, often rising during periods of social strife; it was 17.4 per 100,000 in 1932, during the Great Depression.
The real question is why our society has made so little progress in dealing with the public health crisis of suicide. In fact, the suicide rate last year — 13.7 per 100,000 people — was nearly the same as the rate a century earlier.
Suicide is the 10th leading cause of death in the United States. Yet last year, the National Institutes of Health spent more money researching dietary supplements than it did suicide and suicide prevention. Any other disease that comes close to killing as many Americans as suicide does, like H.I.V. and heart disease, gets marquee recognition as a public health menace and major federal research funding.
As a result, we have seen the rates of death from heart disease and H.I.V. plummet over time. Not so for suicide.
The simple reason suicide has been neglected for so long is stigma. It is a human behavior that terrifies most people. Suicide is wrongly seen as a character or moral flaw — or even a sinful act. It is viewed as something shameful that must be hidden.
But suicide is a medical problem that is almost always associated with several common and treatable mental illnesses, like depression, anxiety and impulse and substance abuse disorders. It is estimated that more than 90 percent of those who die by suicide have a diagnosable mental disorder."
repoman
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This is a clip of Alex Jones, but on a lefty channel
Derec
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The only state with a decrease is Nevada. So is it the casino gambling or the legal sex trade that is helping here?
