Arresting black people for committing crimes is now apparently "racist"

[Derec]

It appears that they are upset with the manner of arrest.

What's wrong with the manner of arrest? Seems pretty reasonable to me. Going to his classroom was not their first choice; they decided to arrest him there because he evaded them for two weeks and committed another act of vandalism in the meantime.

Nobody said the police were motivated by race.

Wrong. The signers of that letter are making it all about race.

You obviously don't know what Affirmative Action is, or how it is implemented.

It is awarding people points because they belong to certain races (black), ethnic groups (hispanics) and/or gender (women) and allowing people to be admitted to universities they would not have gotten in had the university had a policy that is neutral on race, ethnicity and gender.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

I also wonder if he is an affirmative action admission. I mean his spelling skills seem rather weak.

You obviously don't know what Affirmative Action is, or how it is implemented.

We do know. We just don't fall for the illusion that it's simply outreach.

Look at the recently-discussed case of the firefighters. That's the reality of AA.

 

[Derec]

I would be interested to know if the university police exerted the same effort to arrest all perpetrators of vandalism before I would jump to a conclusion.

We he committed numerous acts of vandalism over time. He even threatened a bystander.

There is no reason to assume university police does not go after other vandals. On the other hand, it is pretty safe to assume professors do not sign a letter protesting arrests of white vandals blaming imaginary racism (I wonder if RavenSky works for UW)

 

[RavenSky]

The university has experienced several racist incidents in recent months, including students finding graffiti of a man hanging from a tree in a campus restroom.

I am less worried about a bathroom doodle. I understand why people believe this is serious, but I've seen worse in bathroom stalls.

"a bathroom doodle" Seriously?

graffiti is graffiti is graffiti

either it is wrong or it is not.

and that isn't even addressing the clearly racist and threatening nature of the "doodle" a man hanging from a tree

 

[laughing dog]

I would be interested to know if the university police exerted the same effort to arrest all perpetrators of vandalism before I would jump to a conclusion.

We he committed numerous acts of vandalism over time. He even threatened a bystander.

And that is relevant to the issue of the police intruding and interrupting into a peaceful classroom because....?

There is no reason to assume university police does not go after other vandals.

There is no reason to assume they do either.

On the other hand, it is pretty safe to assume professors do not sign a letter protesting arrests of white vandals blaming imaginary racism (I wonder if RavenSky works for UW)

Assumptions on messages boards are pretty safe, even if they are bigoted or ignorant or just plain stupid. So, besides revealing your biases, is there any other point to that comment?

 

[RavenSky]

Your post is racist. If you actually have a point you want to discuss, re-write your OP to remove the racist bullshit, and then state your position

Why do you think my post is racist? What "racist bullshit" do you think you see there?

Your post is racist. If you actually have a point you want to discuss, re-write your OP to remove the racist bullshit, and then state your position

Where's the racism in his post? Suggesting he was an AA admit because he can't spell? AA admits usually are scraping the bottom of the barrel--if they were good students they would be regular admits rather than AA admits.

Complaining about Afro-American studies? Again, on target. [Group X] studies are always garbage.

Derec knows exactly what he wrote, and he knows his intent in writing it. His comments were off-topic and not conducive to any sort of genuine conversation.

But I am not in the least but surprised that you, Loren, would defend his comments.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

As I said, regardless how you feel about graffiti as an art or communications form...

Denzel McDonald was not running around being a "violent" "criminal" making "racist messages" - these are the words being used in the OP about him.

Moreover (contrary to the impression the OP is trying to give), the school faculty and students are not objecting to Denzel McDonald facing repercussions for his graffiti. Their objections are to the disproportionate manner in which Denzel was arrested in the classroom during class - an action that disrupted the class to the detriment of other uninvolved students. Two different officials of the school have already acknowledged that this action was wrong and have apologised for it.

Faculty is also calling for a stay of expulsion. As was noted above, their position is that "even the rash of violent crimes on campus such as rape and sexual assault have not received this kind of response".

I would also note that Denzel's graffiti is in response to truly racist graffiti:

The university has experienced several racist incidents in recent months, including students finding graffiti of a man hanging from a tree in a campus restroom.

Was a classroom disrupted and that vandal expelled?

There's clearly racist graffiti in the OP.

And you're assuming they wouldn't have reacted the same had the other vandals been caught. This guy was--and he threatened to kill the person who saw him. This is no innocent.

 

[Derec]

from the article

After the arrest, Almiron and other faculty members wrote an open letter condemning the arrest for occurring in the middle of class. They asked that McDonald be “given immunity from expulsion,” and said that the police’s response to the graffiti was overzealous.
“Even the rash of violent crimes on campus such as rape and sexual assault have not received this kind of response,” the faculty wrote. “This charge was for vandalism.

So the SJWs want him to be given immunity for vandalism (11 counts) ...

The university’s Teaching Assistants’ Association also criticized the arrest, saying in a statement that “at a time when we are witnessing an upsurge in racist backlash against movements for a more inclusive university, officials acting on behalf of the university will respond aggressively to the victims of that backlash rather than to its perpetrators.”

... just because of his race. If the signers of this letter want to see racism, they should look in the mirror!

On Friday, Susan Riseling, the university’s police chief, released a statement apologizing for the officers’ behavior.

The only thing campus police did wrong here was apologize in light of ridiculous SJW pressure.

Promising a review of the department's practices, Rebecca Blank, the university’s chancellor, said in a statement that the officers entering the classroom was not appropriate,

Bullshit. If he is evading police elsewhere and continuing to commit the same kind of crime, and even threatening bystanders, then arresting him in class is very much appropriate, even if he belongs to a privileged race (black is definitely a privileged race in US universities, and this is yet another example of it).

I wonder if administrators would be apologizing if the vandal was white and wrote about how black people are the devil ...

 

[RavenSky]

Your post is racist. If you actually have a point you want to discuss, re-write your OP to remove the racist bullshit, and then state your position

Why do you think my post is racist? What "racist bullshit" do you think you see there?

Your post is racist. If you actually have a point you want to discuss, re-write your OP to remove the racist bullshit, and then state your position

Where's the racism in his post? Suggesting he was an AA admit because he can't spell? AA admits usually are scraping the bottom of the barrel--if they were good students they would be regular admits rather than AA admits.

Complaining about Afro-American studies? Again, on target. [Group X] studies are always garbage.

Why do you think my post is racist? What "racist bullshit" do you think you see there?

Your post is racist. If you actually have a point you want to discuss, re-write your OP to remove the racist bullshit, and then state your position

Where's the racism in his post? Suggesting he was an AA admit because he can't spell? AA admits usually are scraping the bottom of the barrel--if they were good students they would be regular admits rather than AA admits.

Complaining about Afro-American studies? Again, on target. [Group X] studies are always garbage.

Derec knows exactly what he wrote, and he knows his intent in writing it. His comments were off-topic and not conducive to any sort of genuine conversation.

But I am not in the least but surprised that you, Loren, would defend his comments.

And of course this asshole is attending an "Afro-American Studies" class, which should be renamed "Blame Whitey for Everything" class. '

I also wonder if he is an affirmative action admission. I mean his spelling skills seem rather weak.

Racist and has nothing whatsoever to do with the topic in the article. Put there only to further Derec's hobbyhorse and/or to bait/inflame the board

The first two sentences and his choice of photos is also a poor reflection on Derec, but at least those can be somewhat considered 'on topic'

 

[Nice Squirrel]

I am less worried about a bathroom doodle. I understand why people believe this is serious, but I've seen worse in bathroom stalls.

"a bathroom doodle" Seriously?

graffiti is graffiti is graffiti

either it is wrong or it is not.

and that isn't even addressing the clearly racist and threatening nature of the "doodle" a man hanging from a tree

Depends on the context. It could just be some kid drawing a hangman that is received as a racist message.

 

[Derec]

How come Derec didn't quote this part and make any of his racist jokes about the perpetrators of these incidents:

Are 700 professors, students etc. writing letters defending those people?
There are bad people doing bad and stupid things in every group. The point of this thread is that SJWs will defend a serial vandal as long as he is black and writes anti-white/anti-police graffiti. They would never defend a person writing anti-black racist graffiti even if he was arrested in the classroom.

 

[laughing dog]

How come Derec didn't quote this part and make any of his racist jokes about the perpetrators of these incidents:

Are 700 professors, students etc. writing letters defending those people?
There are bad people doing bad and stupid things in every group. The point of this thread is that SJWs will defend a serial vandal as long as he is black and writes anti-white/anti-police graffiti. They would never defend a person writing anti-black racist graffiti even if he was arrested in the classroom.

And the other point of this thread is that SJWs will defend the university police no matter what.

 

[RavenSky]

Depends on the context. It could just be some kid drawing a hangman that is received as a racist message.

It's possible, but given the other racist stuff going on there, I doubt it

 

[Derec]

I will also note that Derec did not use the photo of the graffiti that was used in the article he linked to, instead using others to be more inflammatory.

That raises the question as to why the article did not use the more clearly racist graffito or the one calling for murder of police officers.
Since Denzel wrote all these graffiti, including the "more inflammatory" ones, why should we chose the less inflammatory ones, other than to make him appear more sympathetic than he is.
Also the only "racizm[sic] in the air" is his own, and that of the 700 signers of this letter.

Others that I have yet to find together on any article about this incident.

Unless you doubt Denzel wrote all of them what does it matter?

Whatever you think about graffiti as an art or speech form, it is clear that Denzel McDonald was addressing an existing issue on the campus... not just running around being a violent and racist criminal as Derec would have us believe.

If racism is an issue on campus he is contributing to it with his writings, not so much addressing it. And defacing walls where you do not have permission is vandalism and he should be both criminally and civilly (he should pay for clean up costs at the very least) responsible. That does not have much to do with artistic merits (or lack thereof) and content of his speech. Had Michelangelo broken into the Sistine Chapel and clandestinely painted the ceiling it'd still be vandalism.

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It's possible, but given the other racist stuff going on there, I doubt it

Racist stuff like "devil is a white man"?

 

[Derec]

Anyone want to argue that the concept of white supremacy is NOT a "disease"? Anyone? Derec?

All racial supremacy is a disease. Including the racial supremacy of those who think the devil is a white man or that a black student should not be expelled for vandalizing school property 11 times.

 

[RavenSky]

So the SJWs want him to be given immunity for vandalism (11 counts) ...

Do you even bother to read the articles that you post before you start making racist comments and generally derailing your own threads with your hobby horses?

No one has suggested that he should be given immunity for the 11 counts of vandalism (that is a police matter). The faculty doesn't want him to be expelled from the university (a university matter) since he is graduating next month anyway.

As UW-Madison faculty and staff we denounce UWPD’s deplorable actions and ask for immediate accountability from campus administration, particularly Chancellor Rebecca Blank. We also ask that regardless of the outcome of the charges against him that the student be given immunity from expulsion for his actions and be allowed to graduate on time this May.

 

[Derec]

As I said, regardless how you feel about graffiti as an art or communications form...

Some of it can be very artistic. These ones aren't. They are not even good communication, involving rather simple (and misspelled) platitudes.

Denzel McDonald was not running around being a "violent" "criminal" making "racist messages" - these are the words being used in the OP about him.

At least one graffito was racist. At least one another was calling for violence against police. And he is also alleged to have threatened a bystander. And of course vandalism is a crime. So all the stuff in your scare quotes is accurate.

Moreover (contrary to the impression the OP is trying to give), the school faculty and students are not objecting to Denzel McDonald facing repercussions for his graffiti.

Of course they are. They don't want him expelled. They think going after him is some sort of racist backlash.

Their objections are to the disproportionate manner in which Denzel was arrested in the classroom during class - an action that disrupted the class to the detriment of other uninvolved students.

It would not be the first time a student was arrested in class. And it was not their first choice to do. Denzel was evading them elsewhere.

Two different officials of the school have already acknowledged that this action was wrong and have apologised for it.

The only fault I find with UW response are these apologies.

Faculty is also calling for a stay of expulsion. As was noted above, their position is that "even the rash of violent crimes on campus such as rape and sexual assault have not received this kind of response".

So as long as there are sexual assaults on campus no people guilty of lesser crimes should be expelled? What kind of logic is that? You pursue cases as they came and based on evidence. You don't ignore everything else until you solve all the "major" cases though.

I would also note that Denzel's graffiti is in response to truly racist graffiti:

Some of his graffiti is truly racist graffiti. Two wrongs do not make a right.
And what racist graffiti do you have in mind? Do you have a photo?

The university has experienced several racist incidents in recent months, including students finding graffiti of a man hanging from a tree in a campus restroom.

Not necessarily racist. People get hanged for all different reasons.

Was a classroom disrupted and that vandal expelled?

Is his identity known?

 

[laughing dog]

Anyone want to argue that the concept of white supremacy is NOT a "disease"? Anyone? Derec?

All racial supremacy is a disease. Including the racial supremacy of those who think the devil is a white man or that a black student should not be expelled for vandalizing school property 11 times.

There is little reason to assume that the expression "Devil is the white man" is an expression of racial supremacy.

Your views on this incident would be appear less SJW-like and less bigoted if
1) you were so outraged by the other documented racist and bigoted incidents against minorities on the UW-Madison campus, and
2) you wondered if the campus police were as vigorous in going after the perps of those other incidents.

 

[Toni]

I am less worried about a bathroom doodle. I understand why people believe this is serious, but I've seen worse in bathroom stalls.

"a bathroom doodle" Seriously?

graffiti is graffiti is graffiti

either it is wrong or it is not.

and that isn't even addressing the clearly racist and threatening nature of the "doodle" a man hanging from a tree

Graffiti is graffiti but the doodle of a man hanging from a tree is clearly much more than graffiti and has crossed the line into hate speech.

Right along with these other incidents outlined in the OP he posted but which Derec has declined to discuss or term racism. Or worthy of punishment.

From the link in the OP:

The university has experienced several racist incidents in recent months, including students finding graffiti of a man hanging from a tree in a campus restroom.

In January, a student taped swastikas and photographs of Hitler on the door of a Jewish student’s room. In March, three students interrupted an event about Native Americans who were victims of sexual assault by yelling “war cry” noises. Later than month, a student spat on a group of black students, calling them “poor and here on scholarship.”

Earlier this month, someone slipped a note under the door of a freshman who is biracial and identifies as African-American. “Fuck you nigger bitch,” the note read.

Derec, where is your outrage??

I mean, clearly we understand in your world view that graffiti and vandalism are much more serious problems than assault, sexual assault and rape. But I thought you were decrying racism in this thread. What am I missing?

 

[Derec]

Do you even bother to read the articles that you post before you start making racist comments and generally derailing your own threads with your hobby horses?

It is funny how you don't think anything Denzel wrote is racist, yet you see imaginary racism in my posts.
Kind of how you automatically assume a bathroom doodle of a hanged man must be racist without any context to the drawing.

No one has suggested that he should be given immunity for the 11 counts of vandalism (that is a police matter). The faculty doesn't want him to be expelled from the university (a university matter) since he is graduating next month anyway.

Would they have called for him to be allowed to graduate if he was white and wrote about how "the devil is a black man".
I also wonder what his major is?

As UW-Madison faculty and staff we denounce UWPD’s deplorable actions and ask for immediate accountability from campus administration, particularly Chancellor Rebecca Blank. We also ask that regardless of the outcome of the charges against him that the student be given immunity from expulsion for his actions and be allowed to graduate on time this May.

Again, would they be calling for immunity if he was not black writing against white people and police?