Aryan Youths Commit Racial Harassment

[ruby sparks]

I did find this part of what the writer said early in the piece to be puzzling:

"While it’s tempting to see the reported ethnicity of the boys suspected in the assault as complicating the story and raising questions about whether the assault should be thought of as racist, I look at it through a different lens."

To me, and before even getting to the different lens she then expounds on, the controversial matter that the thread is primarily about (the adopting of white racism) it's as if at the outset there's some.....doubt...in her mind about even just calling the incident racist. Why would that be? It seems to me to be totally plain. She's arguably hinting at at least an apparent inclination to excuse it, or at the very least not allocate direct blame to the perpetrators, by not naming it. Then she moves on to indirectly blame white people, essentially, in general terms.

As I say, seems slightly odd that there's even a question in her mind that it might not be racism.

In her mind it cannot be racist, because only white people can be racist. This is not a parody of her position but it is instead a standard sociological position that racism = prejudice + power and only white people can have both (over minorities).

Yes, it could be something like that. And if so, it would surely be awry.

Or it could be something else. She has written a book entitled, 'The History of White People'. As an African American, perhaps racism on the part of whites is, as she sees it, so...primary, so much the main form of racism that her 'group' has endured, that it has blinded her to the fact that other racial/ethic groups can be just as racist, that racism is a human phenomenon. That there are pecking orders and that it's not just a black and white issue.

 

[Jarhyn]

Just remember: Ghandi himself was supportive of the Aryan movement, and racist against black people, who he frequently referred to as "Kaffirs".

It's entirely within the realm of reason to accept that they were supporters of the Aryan model, or pro-Aryan.

 

[ruby sparks]

Just remember: Ghandi himself was supportive of the Aryan movement, and racist against black people, who he frequently referred to as "Kaffirs".

It's entirely within the realm of reason to accept that they were supporters of the Aryan model, or pro-Aryan.

Good point.

I also read that in India, Black people are often referred to as 'Nigerians', no matter which African country they come from. Albeit I think a lot do come from Nigeria.

 

[ruby sparks]

[YOUTUBE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=51&v=RxZiD7wMikg[/YOUTUBE]

I think the title of the video is meant to be ironic.

Worth noting that early in the video, an Indian person is depicted calling the Nigerian man a ni**er. And that's in India. Perhaps there is no reason to think that the 'n' word is not used internationally (albeit originally promulgated by whites) and thus offers no suggestion that the men in the OP case had adopted American slang because they were in America necessarily.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

[YOUTUBE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=51&v=RxZiD7wMikg[/YOUTUBE]

I think the title of the video is meant to be ironic.

Worth noting that early in the video, an Indian person is depicted calling the Nigerian man a ni**er. And that's in India. Perhaps there is no reason to think that the 'n' word is not used internationally (albeit originally promulgated by whites) and thus offers no suggestion that the men in the OP case had adopted American slang because they were in America necessarily.

Or they borrowed the connotation in India when they borrowed the foreign word's denotation.

 

[Jolly_Penguin]

Ghandi is often cited as being quite racist as well.

https://www.npr.org/2019/10/02/7660...-attitudes-on-race-and-sex-are-under-scrutiny

 

[laughing dog]

Ghandi is often cited as being quite racist as well.

https://www.npr.org/2019/10/02/7660...-attitudes-on-race-and-sex-are-under-scrutiny

If you bothered to read your own link, Gandhi was racist when he was young, but he outgrew it and fought discrimination for most of his life.

 

[Derec]

Or it could be something else. She has written a book entitled, 'The History of White People'. As an African American, perhaps racism on the part of whites is, as she sees it, so...primary, so much the main form of racism that her 'group' has endured,

It's much worse than that. She views racist attacks on blacks as core identity of white people. She equates anti-black racism with whiteness. That is, in itself, inherently racist. It would be as if some "academic" defined "blackness" as "propensity toward violent crime" and then if a white person were to rob a Family Dollar, he is not a white guy robbing a Family Dollar but a guy "enacting blackness". If that sounds racist to you, so should her anti-white bigotry.

that it has blinded her to the fact that other racial/ethic groups can be just as racist, that racism is a human phenomenon.

Including black people against whites, something left-wing "academics" frequently deny for political reasons.

 

[Derec]

If you bothered to read your own link, Gandhi was racist when he was young, but he outgrew it and fought discrimination for most of his life.

Indeed, he would even dip his bald head in oil and rub it all over some white chick's body. Of course, she probably did not have her goiter yet.

 

[Derec]

I also read that in India, Black people are often referred to as 'Nigerians', no matter which African country they come from. Albeit I think a lot do come from Nigeria.

That's not ok no matter how you pronounce it. "African-American nation of N-word", please!

 

[Derec]

Just remember: Ghandi himself was supportive of the Aryan movement, and racist against black people

There is also that Indian guy (AOC's former chief of staff is a big fan) who was a legit collaborator with Nazi Germany.

, who he frequently referred to as "Kaffirs".

Isn't that Islamic term for "unbeliever"?

 

[ruby sparks]

Or they borrowed the connotation in India when they borrowed the foreign word's denotation.

I think there's no doubt it's a white, English/'western' term. If they are speaking English, it wouldn't be unusual for them to use the English word for something. But I don't see how that means the user's racism itself is necessarily English/white/'western' too, especially if they have not been living in that society. To me it would seem a bit of a stretch to blame white people, or white culture, for Indians in India being racist towards Africans in India. Or for the Chinese for that matter, who also exhibit racism towards Africans, apparently.

 

[Jarhyn]

Or they borrowed the connotation in India when they borrowed the foreign word's denotation.

I think there's no doubt it's a white, English/'western' term. If they are speaking English, it wouldn't be unusual for them to use the English word for something. But I don't see how that means the user's racism itself is necessarily English/white/'western' too, especially if they have not been living in that society. To me it would seem a bit of a stretch to blame white people, or white culture, for Indians in India being racist towards Africans in India. Or for the Chinese for that matter, who also exhibit racism towards Africans, apparently.

Most anti-black racism originated from Christian western society, in the same way we exported homophobia.

This is not to say that other cultures would not have instantiated their own particular tribal exclusivism, but we were the ones who manufactured the brand everyone bought into.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

The other thing is the two Indian Americans were standing in a crowd of White people. They were not taunting the White people for being unclean meat eaters.

Related to that, there is this:

At a news conference Tuesday, police said there is potential for additional criminal charges against other subjects at a later time.

...

Videos posted on Facebook show dozens of students at the top of the bleachers yelling at a group of black students below.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.in...ence-high-school-20191021.html?outputType=amp

It is hard for me to make out words, and I think I also hear a White girl screaming. One of the Indian American teens looks at her between yells, as if they are participating in the same thing.

I don't think it's out of bounds to say they were acting white. I don't know if I agree 100% but I also think someone else could have more info to draw that conclusion. So I remain open-minded about it.

 

[ruby sparks]

Or they borrowed the connotation in India when they borrowed the foreign word's denotation.

I think there's no doubt it's a white, English/'western' term. If they are speaking English, it wouldn't be unusual for them to use the English word for something. But I don't see how that means the user's racism itself is necessarily English/white/'western' too, especially if they have not been living in that society. To me it would seem a bit of a stretch to blame white people, or white culture, for Indians in India being racist towards Africans in India. Or for the Chinese for that matter, who also exhibit racism towards Africans, apparently.

Most anti-black racism originated from Christian western society, in the same way we exported homophobia.

This is not to say that other cultures would not have instantiated their own particular tribal exclusivism, but we were the ones who manufactured the brand everyone bought into.

I think there is some truth in that, obviously. We, as in white people like me, possibly mostly but not exclusively men (like me), manufactured the brand of racism that is arguably most common and pronounced in the world today. Which is why it is very difficult, but potentially very interesting, to try understand what might have been going on, in the OP case, and what might be going on regarding the issue/phenomenon generally.

As you say, there may be an aspect to do with religion. Just as more or less all humans are/were racist, or at least outgroup-prejudiced, they are/were all, more or less religious. It's just that Christianity became (one of) the most influential...religious colonisers, partly because as it turned out, it was the main religion of the culture(s) that dominated the world.

It might also be thrown into the mix that for a variety of reasons, some related (eg colonialism and slavery) the continent of Africa has not yet developed as much as most others during modern history, so, the association (which appears to inform Indian racism and perhaps Chinese racism too) that is being made, it seems, is that Africans are....undesirables, or parasites or...dirty or poor or just non-contributors, or crooks.

 

[Jolly_Penguin]

Ghandi is often cited as being quite racist as well.

https://www.npr.org/2019/10/02/7660...-attitudes-on-race-and-sex-are-under-scrutiny

If you bothered to read your own link, Gandhi was racist when he was young, but he outgrew it and fought discrimination for most of his life.

As I said, Ghandi is often cited for being quite racist. He came from a society in which racism is common. Racism is also common in China, against darker skinned asians like myself from southeast Asia, or even within china of the darker Chinese people. Whether or not he overcame this and fought against racism later on is irrelevant.

 

[Jolly_Penguin]

I think there is some truth in that, obviously. We, as in white people like me, possibly mostly but not exclusively men (like me), manufactured the brand of racism that is arguably most common and pronounced in the world today. Which is why it is very difficult, but potentially very interesting, to try understand what might have been going on, in the OP case, and what might be going on regarding the issue/phenomenon generally.

But herein lies the trap. The people who push racism are NOT like you if you don't push racism. Racism isn't inherent to "whiteness", even if the people who invented it and spread it everywhere were white. To insist that would itself be racist, as Derec noted above. Racism isn't "whiteness" anymore than street violence is "blackness". There is nothing inherent to one's race that causes either of these things.

 

[laughing dog]

Ghandi is often cited as being quite racist as well.

https://www.npr.org/2019/10/02/7660...-attitudes-on-race-and-sex-are-under-scrutiny

If you bothered to read your own link, Gandhi was racist when he was young, but he outgrew it and fought discrimination for most of his life.

As I said, Ghandi is often cited for being quite racist. He came from a society in which racism is common. Racism is also common in China, against darker skinned asians like myself from southeast Asia, or even within china of the darker Chinese people. Whether or not he overcame this and fought against racism later on is irrelevant.

Not for those who are interested in accuracy. Talking about someone's early character flaws that are overcome later in life is misleading. Complaining about Gandhi's racism while ignoring the fact that for over 40 years, he fought against bigotry, discrimination and racism is intellectually dishonest: it is a variant of lying by omission.

 

[Trausti]

Or they borrowed the connotation in India when they borrowed the foreign word's denotation.

I think there's no doubt it's a white, English/'western' term. If they are speaking English, it wouldn't be unusual for them to use the English word for something. But I don't see how that means the user's racism itself is necessarily English/white/'western' too, especially if they have not been living in that society. To me it would seem a bit of a stretch to blame white people, or white culture, for Indians in India being racist towards Africans in India. Or for the Chinese for that matter, who also exhibit racism towards Africans, apparently.

Most anti-black racism originated from Christian western society, in the same way we exported homophobia.

This is not to say that other cultures would not have instantiated their own particular tribal exclusivism, but we were the ones who manufactured the brand everyone bought into.

"Therefore, the Negro nation are, as a rule, submissive to slavery, because [Negroes] have little [that is essentially] human and have attributes that are quite similar to those of dumb animals, as we have stated."

"beyond [known peoples of black West Africa] to the south there is no civilization in the proper sense. There are only humans who are closer to dumb animals than to rational beings. They live in thickets and caves, and eat herbs and unprepared grain. They frequently eat each other. They cannot be considered human beings."

[Blacks are] people who are by their very nature slaves.

"[Blacks] are ugly and misshapen, because they live in a hot country."

"Galen says that merriment dominates the black man because of his defective brain, whence also the weakness of his intelligence."

And on, and on, and on.

https://wikiislam.net/wiki/Qur%27an,_Hadith_and_Scholars:Racism

 

[Jolly_Penguin]

To be fair to the Muslims, the Jews also called and still call themselves God's chosen people....