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How many electoral votes would Biden/Harris need for Trump to admit defeat?
Don't know how to make a poll here but if I did, the choices would be something like

a) 500+
b) 400-499
c) 300-400
d) 270-300
e) 538 wouldn't be enough

In fact I think that depending on how many States Trump loses by single digit percentages and will claim were stolen by Hillary Sleepy Joe, he could contest almost any electoral loss no matter how big. And I expect he will.
Haven't heard much about it from the local 'Trump is an honorable man who will conceded if he loses' libberpublicans lately. So I'm wondering if anyone here thinks there is any possibility of a peaceful transfer of power in January, and if so, what factors would lead to that outcome.
 

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Why would he accept a loss, however outrageously obvious?

He loses nothing by rejecting the election results, and any possibility of gain is better than watching the entire internet turn into a 'YOU'RE FIRED!' meme assembly line.
 

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How many electoral votes would Biden/Harris need for Trump to admit defeat?
Don't know how to make a poll here but if I did, the choices would be something like

a) 500+
b) 400-499
c) 300-400
d) 270-300
e) 538 wouldn't be enough

In fact I think that depending on how many States Trump loses by single digit percentages and will claim were stolen by Hillary Sleepy Joe, he could contest almost any electoral loss no matter how big. And I expect he will.
Haven't heard much about it from the local 'Trump is an honorable man who will conceded if he loses' libberpublicans lately. So I'm wondering if anyone here thinks there is any possibility of a peaceful transfer of power in January, and if so, what factors would lead to that outcome.

I'm not convinced at all that Biden will get more electoral votes anyway. I think that it's going to be a repeat of 2016. Sadly.
 

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Why would he accept a loss, however outrageously obvious?

He loses nothing by rejecting the election results, and any possibility of gain is better than watching the entire internet turn into a 'YOU'RE FIRED!' meme assembly line.

I totally agree. Trump will die believing he won the 2020 election in a landslide, even if a few ragtag gangs of AR-wielding Nazi thugs terrorizing the city streets are his only evidence. And he will believe it whether he dies tomorrow or in thirty years.

Of course the Reality TV aspect of the whole thing will be ratings through the roof, a fabulous success by any Trump measure. Even pouring gasoline on the "you're fired" meme fire only contributes to ratings success. It will be incredible, amazing. You can't fire a success that big. In Trumpworld, nothing can go wrong. Ever.
 

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How many electoral votes would Biden/Harris need for Trump to admit defeat?
Don't know how to make a poll here but if I did, the choices would be something like

a) 500+
b) 400-499
c) 300-400
d) 270-300
e) 538 wouldn't be enough

In fact I think that depending on how many States Trump loses by single digit percentages and will claim were stolen by Hillary Sleepy Joe, he could contest almost any electoral loss no matter how big. And I expect he will.
Haven't heard much about it from the local 'Trump is an honorable man who will conceded if he loses' libberpublicans lately. So I'm wondering if anyone here thinks there is any possibility of a peaceful transfer of power in January, and if so, what factors would lead to that outcome.

I'm not convinced at all that Biden will get more electoral votes anyway. I think that it's going to be a repeat of 2016. Sadly.

Might well be. But that doesn't address the question at all. You seem to imply that a single digit electoral victory by Biden would be sufficient for an actual win.
 

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So I'm wondering if anyone here thinks there is any possibility of a peaceful transfer of power in January, and if so, what factors would lead to that outcome.


It's about the same chance as Trump winning a round of golf against Tiger Woods.

He's been building this up for a long time with his claims of "voter fraud" and tirades against mail-in voting. Trump has all but come out and said he won't accept the results of the election if it doesn't go in his favor. His supporters are behind him 100 percent. If Biden wins the popular vote, Trump will declare it a fraud. Of that I'm certain. What remains to be seen is how far he takes it from there. He's already said he wants a do-over if it goes against him, and he will certainly contest the results in court. Then he'll try to stop the results from being certified. Then he'll try to stop the electors from convening and doing their job.

Beyond that it's all about whether he hands over the keys to the White House peaceably or has to be escorted out by the Secret Service. I'd bet on the latter.
 

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So I'm wondering if anyone here thinks there is any possibility of a peaceful transfer of power in January, and if so, what factors would lead to that outcome.

I'm sorry, but is this a joke?

Let's say Trump loses the election. What is it, exactly, that you imagine he will do? Carry on and bluster that he was robbed? Sure. Do you think he will be let into the White House after Biden is sworn in? No, he won't.

Do you think Trump is going to raise a private army? This kind of delusionista fearmongering makes me sad about the absolute lack of faith some Americans seem to have in their own institutions.
 

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So I'm wondering if anyone here thinks there is any possibility of a peaceful transfer of power in January, and if so, what factors would lead to that outcome.

I'm sorry, but is this a joke?

Let's say Trump loses the election. What is it, exactly, that you imagine he will do? Carry on and bluster that he was robbed? Sure. Do you think he will be let into the White House after Biden is sworn in? No, he won't.

Do you think Trump is going to raise a private army? This kind of delusionista fearmongering makes me sad about the absolute lack of faith some Americans seem to have in their own institutions.

You are very ignorant of the amount of "private militia" that support Trump. He can place a very large thumb on the scales, so to speak. Also, for some reason, militaries are big on the "respect the chain of command" mentality. Trump doesn't need supporters - he's got them. What he needs is enough prominent legislators/military commanders/public figures to sit on the fence and the incumbent gets the benefit of the doubt by default.
 

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You are very ignorant of the amount of "private militia" that support Trump.

Seemingly. Can this private militia storm the White House and take out the secret service?

He can place a very large thumb on the scales, so to speak. Also, for some reason, militaries are big on the "respect the chain of command" mentality.

So...are you saying that the military generals will support Trump as commander-in-chief if Biden is elected and sworn in?


Trump doesn't need supporters - he's got them. What he needs is enough prominent legislators/military commanders/public figures to sit on the fence and the incumbent gets the benefit of the doubt by default.

What default? What would constitute "sitting on the fence"?

I need you to spell it out to me. I think the idea that the transfer of power will be "non-peaceful" is idiotically absurd. The United States is not a third-world kleptocracy.

Fill in the blanks for me.

i) Biden wins the electoral college vote in November
ii) Biden is sworn into office in January
iii) ?
iv) Trump is violently defeated and removed from office
 

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How many electoral votes would Biden/Harris need for Trump to admit defeat?
Don't know how to make a poll here but if I did, the choices would be something like

a) 500+
b) 400-499
c) 300-400
d) 270-300
e) 538 wouldn't be enough

In fact I think that depending on how many States Trump loses by single digit percentages and will claim were stolen by Hillary Sleepy Joe, he could contest almost any electoral loss no matter how big. And I expect he will.
Haven't heard much about it from the local 'Trump is an honorable man who will conceded if he loses' libberpublicans lately. So I'm wondering if anyone here thinks there is any possibility of a peaceful transfer of power in January, and if so, what factors would lead to that outcome.

I'm not convinced at all that Biden will get more electoral votes anyway. I think that it's going to be a repeat of 2016. Sadly.

Might well be. But that doesn't address the question at all. You seem to imply that a single digit electoral victory by Biden would be sufficient for an actual win.

Even a single digit win is still a win. Sure, the losers will contest it with re-counts, in courts etc. But it will not change the outcome. That's called democracy. But a single digit win is extremely unlikely.
 

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How many electoral votes would Biden/Harris need for Trump to admit defeat?
Don't know how to make a poll here but if I did, the choices would be something like

a) 500+
b) 400-499
c) 300-400
d) 270-300
e) 538 wouldn't be enough

In fact I think that depending on how many States Trump loses by single digit percentages and will claim were stolen by Hillary Sleepy Joe, he could contest almost any electoral loss no matter how big. And I expect he will.
Haven't heard much about it from the local 'Trump is an honorable man who will conceded if he loses' libberpublicans lately. So I'm wondering if anyone here thinks there is any possibility of a peaceful transfer of power in January, and if so, what factors would lead to that outcome.

I'm not convinced at all that Biden will get more electoral votes anyway. I think that it's going to be a repeat of 2016. Sadly.

It sure looks that way, from the current polling. Although, you have to keep in mind, 2016 basically came down to something like 80,000 votes spread across Michigan, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin. Those are pretty thin margins, and I just think Biden is much better liked in those States than Clinton ever was, and with the state of the economy, I think similar national polling bodes well for Biden. But it's crazy that it's going to be this close.
 

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So I'm wondering if anyone here thinks there is any possibility of a peaceful transfer of power in January, and if so, what factors would lead to that outcome.

I'm sorry, but is this a joke?

Let's say Trump loses the election. What is it, exactly, that you imagine he will do? Carry on and bluster that he was robbed? Sure. Do you think he will be let into the White House after Biden is sworn in? No, he won't.

Do you think Trump is going to raise a private army? This kind of delusionista fearmongering makes me sad about the absolute lack of faith some Americans seem to have in their own institutions.

You are very ignorant of the amount of "private militia" that support Trump. He can place a very large thumb on the scales, so to speak. Also, for some reason, militaries are big on the "respect the chain of command" mentality. Trump doesn't need supporters - he's got them. What he needs is enough prominent legislators/military commanders/public figures to sit on the fence and the incumbent gets the benefit of the doubt by default.

In this scenario, it absolutely would come down to the military. I think fortunately Trump is not very popular with the military brass.
 

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Metaphor weasels out of the OP question entirely.

Of course once Biden is sworn in, he is sworn in. The whole point is that regardless of the electoral results, Trump will pull out every stop there is to keep any such swearing in from happening.

* The Secret Service works for Trump until and unless someone else is sworn in, so they will be of zero help.
* Trump is the Commander in Cheat of the Military, so they can't be relied on for anything.
* There are an unknown number of trumpanzee morons who are eager to show off the armaments they have acquired under the fraudulent pretext of PREVENTING a tyrannical government.

My question was whether any electoral result at all would ever bring about a peaceful transfer of power.
So far, nobody has been able to present any credible pathway to that result, other than pre-supposing the result.

Metaphor's "answer" is, as usual, non-responsive:
"You're paranoid!; After a peaceful transfer of power Trump wouldn't be able to do anything about it!"

Pretty much the same stupid avoidance exhibited by the rest of our libberpublicans.
 

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A massive landslide is only possible by cheating.
A close victory is only possible by cheating.

He lost by 2 million or so popular votes and he has already said that was cheating!
 

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There will be a nonviolent turnover of power when Trump loses. The margin of defeat won't matter. At his very heart, Trump is a bully and a coward: he is all bluster and no action.

Supporting the losing candidate is a treason - the military won't back Trump. Come January 21, if Trump lost, he is no longer President (according to the Constitution) and the Secret Service will not answer to him at all (and I doubt they would support him in a his attempt to illegally hold the Presidency).
 

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There will be a nonviolent turnover of power when Trump loses. The margin of defeat won't matter. At his very heart, Trump is a bully and a coward: he is all bluster and no action.

Supporting the losing candidate is a treason - the military won't back Trump. Come January 21, if Trump lost, he is no longer President (according to the Constitution) and the Secret Service will not answer to him at all (and I doubt they would support him in a his attempt to illegally hold the Presidency).
The electoral college chooses the President, and the Electoral College can be screwed with either to change the outright result or create a contested election which then heads to Congress. Doesn't have to win to win.
 

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There will be a nonviolent turnover of power when Trump loses. The margin of defeat won't matter. At his very heart, Trump is a bully and a coward: he is all bluster and no action.

I disagree. A cowardly bully is what he has always been, and the main thing perpetuating that is that he has never been told no about anything, has never had to do one single thing anyone ever told him to do or refrain from doing anything that anyone told him not to do. But most important - HE HAS NEVER BEEN UNDER THREAT FOR HIS LIFE.
It would be a grave mistake to assume that he can't be moved beyond bluster to drastic action by the fact that once he leaves the protection of executive office, he is dead meat.

Supporting the losing candidate is a treason - the military won't back Trump.

What's one more treason at this point?

Come January 21, if Trump lost, he is no longer President (according to the Constitution).

Come January 20, Biden will be sworn in if SCOTUS has deemed it appropriate.
At that point Trump won't be holed up in what he calls "a dump" (The Whitehouse), he'll be under some fancy minaret somewhere in the middle East - at least that's my guess.
And there will be much damage and possibly mayhem left in his wake.
 

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I think some in this thread are forgetting that Trump has already put his private army into use on multiple occasions. The first instance was during the protests in DC, uniformed thugs with no identifying patches or name tags. Likely mostly drawn for DHS, but who knows for sure. Next was Portland, and I won't be surprised if we see them on the streets a few more times before November as Trump descends further into authoritarianism. What happens if Trump puts them between himself and the Secret Service is anyones guess, but I suspect it will involve violence. Which side the actual military will back is another unknown, but these violent means have violent ends.
 

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Metaphor weasels out of the OP question entirely.

Of course once Biden is sworn in, he is sworn in. The whole point is that regardless of the electoral results, Trump will pull out every stop there is to keep any such swearing in from happening.

* The Secret Service works for Trump until and unless someone else is sworn in, so they will be of zero help.


For fuck's sake, you are already begging the question. What actions will Trump have taken to 'stop' the swearing in of a new president? Give me specifics, please.

* Trump is the Commander in Cheat of the Military, so they can't be relied on for anything.


Relied on to do what? What actions will Trump take to stop a swearing in of Biden? Please give me some clue.
* There are an unknown number of trumpanzee morons who are eager to show off the armaments they have acquired under the fraudulent pretext of PREVENTING a tyrannical government.



My question was whether any electoral result at all would ever bring about a peaceful transfer of power.
So far, nobody has been able to present any credible pathway to that result, other than pre-supposing the result.


What the fuck do you imagine the non-peaceful transfer of power to look like? What do you mean when you say the transfer of power won't be peaceful? Give me specifics, because I've literally zero clue about what it is you are imagining.

I'm serious. Zero.


Metaphor's "answer" is, as usual, non-responsive:
"You're paranoid!; After a peaceful transfer of power Trump wouldn't be able to do anything about it!"

Pretty much the same stupid avoidance exhibited by the rest of our libberpublicans.

God's nightgown, you can't even define your terms. What is an example of a non-peaceful transfer of power? What actions can Trump take that define a non-peaceful transfer of power?

You have said you cannot imagine a peaceful transfer of power. So what is it you are imagining?
 

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I can see this thread is another in the long line of masturbatory fantasies about Trump attempting to become a dictator.

I suggest, Elixir, you ask a screenwriter to come up with the bones of a narrative for what Trump's "non-peaceful" transfer of power might entail. You clearly are incapable of imagining it or describing it. You've assumed a "peaceful transfer" is impossible but have no idea what a non-peaceful transfer looks like.
 

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I can see this thread is another in the long line of masturbatory fantasies about Trump attempting to become a dictator.

Jack away, Meta.
Your fantasy of Trump winning a fair election or admitting defeat under any circumstance is really cute.
Please do tell us what a non-peaceful transfer of power would look like in the USA.

A loss by one electoral vote brought in by a state where the winner was determined by one vote. Full stop.

Now THAT is really funny.
 

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I can see this thread is another in the long line of masturbatory fantasies about Trump attempting to become a dictator.

Jack away, Meta.

I didn't start this thread--you did.

Your fantasy of Trump winning a fair election or admitting defeat under any circumstance is really cute.
Please do tell us what a non-peaceful transfer of power would look like in the USA.

I don't know what it looks like. I've been asking you that question in several posts.

What do you think Trump will do that will make the transfer of power to Biden non-peaceful? It's election night in November and Biden has won 298 electoral college votes. What does Trump do?
 

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I'm nervous about the transfer of power myself, but I'm so far, not overly concerned about Trump overstaying his voted-in welcome. I just don't think he has the support to possibly continue on once the election is over. When everyone else walks away, what is he supposed to do? Plus, he's also a coward. If two federal marshals step forward asking him to abdicate then his fat ass will RUN out of the Oval Office.

The worry is his supporters. They're often violent and bent. Trump will encourage bad behavior by citing how he's been cheated of course, and these people already have a track record of shootings, mailing bombs, and certainly threatening others. Then there's Q-Anon, which he just encouraged the other day to become more politically involved instead of just worrying about alien lizard people and Hollywood pedophile rings.
 

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We are not likely to know on election night who won given the expected large number of mail-in ballots. My guess is that all Trump can really do is sue, but the bigger issue may be what some of those Trump-supporting Republican governors and/or attorneys general will do to muddy the waters of vote tabulation.

Every Republican will have to decide if they want to go down with Trump's ship.
 

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If Trump loses and mobilizes the crazy part of his base to violence, that probably finish off the current GOP if they do not quickly disavow the violence and repudiate Trump's lies about the election. Whether it can recover from such a blow would remain to be seen.
 

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There could be a large mess of lawsuits, not all started by Trump or his administration, but by outside groups. Why? To cast doubt and question the legitimacy of Biden's election. To give the usual GOP obstructionists a reason to claim it is legitimate to continue with this obstructionism. To force Biden and company to waste time with the legal issues rather than do more important things.
 

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If Trump loses and mobilizes the crazy part of his base to violence, that probably finish off the current GOP if they do not quickly disavow the violence and repudiate Trump's lies about the election. Whether it can recover from such a blow would remain to be seen.

Unless their coup is successful.
 

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Well, he’d be facing the New York AG, right? I’m guessing they are going to be ready to hit the ground running just as soon as this shameful
chapter has concluded.
I don’t think the number of electoral votes are going to matter one iota. A loss is a loss for Trump and it’s panic time. So he will do whatever that sense of panic drives him to do. Muster the forces of intolerance and ignorance? You bet. The courts? Meh. That will come to a swift conclusion so if there is nothing there, why bother if he can’t buy time in the courts. He might try and sell a peaceful transfer in exchange for living out his remaining days in peace.
I just hope he shits himself before he dies. That’s how I want him to spend his final moments, alone and lying in shit.
 

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A massive landslide is only possible by cheating.
A close victory is only possible by cheating.

He lost by 2 million or so popular votes and he has already said that was cheating!

WTF actually counts the votes, the Trumps staff, or the returning state electoral officers? Isn't it the latter? If so, how is it possible to cheat? Bussing voters to polling booths, or if by mail, substituting a million votes by substituting millions or so bogus mail in votes?
 

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He might try and sell a peaceful transfer in exchange for living out his remaining days in peace.

That has occurred to me as the most benign all-around possibility, but with whom could he make such a "deal"?
No individual is authorized to acquit a traitor in exchange for allowing him to self-exile, AFAIK.

I just hope he shits himself before he dies

Seems like he's shitting himself right now.

If Trump loses and mobilizes the crazy part of his base to violence, that probably finish off the current GOP if they do not quickly disavow the violence and repudiate Trump's lies about the election. Whether it can recover from such a blow would remain to be seen.

Unless their coup is successful.

Right.
 

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If Trump loses and mobilizes the crazy part of his base to violence, that probably finish off the current GOP if they do not quickly disavow the violence and repudiate Trump's lies about the election. Whether it can recover from such a blow would remain to be seen.
You're so cute when you're being optimistic. ;)
 

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If Trump loses and mobilizes the crazy part of his base to violence, that probably finish off the current GOP if they do not quickly disavow the violence and repudiate Trump's lies about the election. Whether it can recover from such a blow would remain to be seen.

Unless their coup is successful.
It isn't a coup. Those drop boxes could have been tampered with. The person guarding them once donated $15 to Mondale's election campaign in 1984 and the Post Office has become notoriously slow over the last few months due to Obama's meddling. Did we mention Obama spied on my campaign?

So for the benefit of maintaining our Democracy, we should just let the House decide.
 

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So I'm wondering if anyone here thinks there is any possibility of a peaceful transfer of power in January, and if so, what factors would lead to that outcome.

I'm sorry, but is this a joke?

Let's say Trump loses the election. What is it, exactly, that you imagine he will do? Carry on and bluster that he was robbed? Sure. Do you think he will be let into the White House after Biden is sworn in? No, he won't.

Do you think Trump is going to raise a private army? This kind of delusionista fearmongering makes me sad about the absolute lack of faith some Americans seem to have in their own institutions.

You are very ignorant of the amount of "private militia" that support Trump. He can place a very large thumb on the scales, so to speak. Also, for some reason, militaries are big on the "respect the chain of command" mentality. Trump doesn't need supporters - he's got them. What he needs is enough prominent legislators/military commanders/public figures to sit on the fence and the incumbent gets the benefit of the doubt by default.

Yes, but the second the incumbent is technically no longer in charge, their support for him vanishes no matter how loud he cries foul. They will politely shuffle him away and point him in the direction of the clerk's office to file his legal complaint.
 

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If Trump loses and mobilizes the crazy part of his base to violence, that probably finish off the current GOP if they do not quickly disavow the violence and repudiate Trump's lies about the election. Whether it can recover from such a blow would remain to be seen.
You're so cute when you're being optimistic. ;)

Ya. "WHATABOUT ANTIFA IN CHICAGO?!?!?". See, that was easy.
 

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If Trump loses and mobilizes the crazy part of his base to violence, that probably finish off the current GOP if they do not quickly disavow the violence and repudiate Trump's lies about the election. Whether it can recover from such a blow would remain to be seen.
You're so cute when you're being optimistic. ;)

Ya. "WHATABOUT ANTIFA IN CHICAGO?!?!?". See, that was easy.

Yeah, whatabout ALL those urban wastelands that weren't urban wastelands until Trump became President?
 

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If Trump loses and mobilizes the crazy part of his base to violence, that probably finish off the current GOP if they do not quickly disavow the violence and repudiate Trump's lies about the election. Whether it can recover from such a blow would remain to be seen.

Unless their coup is successful.
You must play Powerball - it has better odds than your conjecture.
 

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A loss by one electoral vote brought in by a state where the winner was determined by one vote. Full stop.

Now THAT is really funny.

How about one vote confirmed by recount and court challenge rejection. Less funny?

Election acceptance isn't about funny. Election acceptance is about established and confirmed vote.

When Trump puts that "I won't accept it" gun to his head there isn't a chance that when he pulls the trigger it will blow him away. It will blow him away.

There won't be a revolution there will be a celebration.
 

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So I'm wondering if anyone here thinks there is any possibility of a peaceful transfer of power in January, and if so, what factors would lead to that outcome.

I'm sorry, but is this a joke?

Let's say Trump loses the election. What is it, exactly, that you imagine he will do? Carry on and bluster that he was robbed? Sure. Do you think he will be let into the White House after Biden is sworn in? No, he won't.

Do you think Trump is going to raise a private army? This kind of delusionista fearmongering makes me sad about the absolute lack of faith some Americans seem to have in their own institutions.

Wow, that argument is very ignorant. He can engage in 20 lawsuits in close areas. He can find or create ballot problems to eliminate valid votes or stall certification. He already has had minions reduce effectiveness of the mail-in ballot framework. With his billions of $ and executive control he can effectively change numbers and stall certification until he has his way. If there is enough popular support for his alleged victory, he can just stay in the White House. The military, feds, and police are on his side.
 

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Wow, that argument is very ignorant. He can engage in 20 lawsuits in close areas.

Is that non-peaceful?

He can find or create ballot problems to eliminate valid votes or stall certification.

Is that non-peaceful?

He already has had minions reduce effectiveness of the mail-in ballot framework. With his billions of $ and executive control he can effectively change numbers and stall certification until he has his way. If there is enough popular support for his alleged victory, he can just stay in the White House. The military, feds, and police are on his side.

Um, okay. You believe the military, federal police, and state police will ignore an election outcome and support an illegal coup.

I am going to say this as politely as possible. Your thinking around this issue is deranged and delusional because you do not live in a country that would permit such a scandal.
 
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So I'm wondering if anyone here thinks there is any possibility of a peaceful transfer of power in January, and if so, what factors would lead to that outcome.

I'm sorry, but is this a joke?

Let's say Trump loses the election. What is it, exactly, that you imagine he will do? Carry on and bluster that he was robbed? Sure. Do you think he will be let into the White House after Biden is sworn in? No, he won't.

Do you think Trump is going to raise a private army? This kind of delusionista fearmongering makes me sad about the absolute lack of faith some Americans seem to have in their own institutions.

Wow, that argument is very ignorant. He can engage in 20 lawsuits in close areas. He can find or create ballot problems to eliminate valid votes or stall certification. He already has had minions reduce effectiveness of the mail-in ballot framework. With his billions of $ and executive control he can effectively change numbers and stall certification until he has his way. If there is enough popular support for his alleged victory, he can just stay in the White House. The military, feds, and police are on his side.

What evidence do you have that the military and the feds support Trump? If anything, I think those in the military who are in the highest ranks most likely despise Trump. And, while I'm not sure what you mean by the feds, the federal agencies most involved in law enforcement also despise him. He has criticized then FBI, the CIA and some other federal agencies as being part of the "Deep State". Why would you think they would support him?

IF Trump loses the election, even if he screams that it was rigged and unfair, stomps his feet like the child he is, and threatens to cause chaos, I have no doubt that he will be removed from office if he's foolish enough to try and stay. IF he loses the election, he will not be president after Jan. 20th. I do have worries that the Republicans will be able to suppress the vote, but that's a different problem.

But, don't forget that the election is run by the states, not the federal government. It would take widespread voter suppression in many swing states for it to be effective. Can that happen? I don't know. That is why it's vitally important to get out the vote.

IF Trump wins, there may be more civil unrest and such, but the US has a long history of civil unrest, riots, looting etc., so what else is new?
 

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Looked at a bit of the Trumpsucking ritual last night, it sure appears that the main objective is to set all their followers' hair on fire if "The Nigger Loving Socialist Drug Addicts" should win.
Almost like they believe they're going to lose, and want to make sure that America pays a super high price for rejecting His Orangeness.
 

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Is that non-peaceful?



Is that non-peaceful?

He already has had minions reduce effectiveness of the mail-in ballot framework. With his billions of $ and executive control he can effectively change numbers and stall certification until he has his way. If there is enough popular support for his alleged victory, he can just stay in the White House. The military, feds, and police are on his side.

Um, okay. You believe the military, federal police, and state police will ignore an election outcome and support an illegal coup.

I am going to say this as politely as possible. Your thinking around this issue is deranged and delusional because you do not live in a country that would permit such a scandal.

I am going to say this as politely as possible. Your thinking is ignorant and completely focused on supporting bad people because you read weird anecdotes on the Internets. You don't know what is going on in my country right now because you are focused on what extreme people say about trans issues and other drama. Police, feds, and military are ALREADY supporting Trump's shenanigans. It's already happening.
 

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To flip this thread over, what will Democrats do if Trump wins?

Hillary still claims she was robbed and Tracy Abrams thinks she is governor of Georgia (Kemp got 50.2% and Abrams got 48.8% of the vote).

They will impeach again.. this time on the 25th
 

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To flip this thread over, what will Democrats do if Trump wins?

Hillary still claims she was robbed and Tracy Abrams thinks she is governor of Georgia (Kemp got 50.2% and Abrams got 48.8% of the vote).

They will impeach again.. this time on the 25th

Another impeachment is a possibility if the Democrats don't loose control of the house. But do they really want a president Mike Pence?

If by the 25th you mean removal using the 25th amendment then that isn't an impeachment. Also removal under the 25th amendment would be by the consensus of the VP and Trump's cabinet.
 
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