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Atheists are more intelligent than religious people, say researchers

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As if we didn't already know this. OK - start a timer for the first logical fallacy and/or digression. I have to say, though, that the IMAM name feels rather tongue-in-cheek...


Religious[FONT=&quot] people are less intelligent on average than [/FONT]atheists[FONT=&quot]because faith is an instinct and clever people are better at rising above their instincts, researchers have claimed. [/FONT][FONT=&quot]The theory — called the 'Intelligence-Mismatch Association Model' — was proposed by a pair of authors who set out to explain why numerous studies over past decades have found religious people to have lower average intelligence than people who do not believe in a god.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]A 2013 analysis by University of Rochester found “a reliable negative relation between intelligence and religiosity” in 53 out of 63 historic studies.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]A [/FONT]negative correlation[FONT=&quot] between intelligence and religion makes sense if religion is considered an instinct, and intelligence the ability to rise above one's instincts, say researchers Edward Dutton and Dimitri van der Linden in their new paper published today.[/FONT]


https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...eople-faith-instinct-cleverness-a7742766.html
 
If religious people are less intelligent on average, then that is less reason to ridicule them, not more.
 
This could just be due to sampling error, since I'm in the atheist group so that skews the results pretty hard against any other group they compare against.
 
I suspect that it's a part of who becomes an atheist -- one has to exert some intellectual effort to do so. As to religious people, they are not all alike. How might believers in liberal sects compare to those of conservative ones? How might nominal believers compare to very active believers?
 
From 2010- http://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/...tion-religious-know-nothings-article-1.186171

The new study by the Pew Forum on Religion and Public Life, released this week, shocked many with the revelation that atheists and agnostics tend to know more about the world's religions than believers do.

Pew researchers asked more than 3,000 Americans 32 central questions about the Bible, Christianity and other world religions. On average, people who took the survey got half the answers wrong - and many even tripped on basic questions about their own faith.

Fully 54% of Protestants could not identify Martin Luther as the person who started the Protestant Reformation. Forty-five percent of Catholics did not know that their church teaches that the consecrated bread and wine in holy communion are not merely symbols, but actually become the body and blood of Jesus Christ. {Side note- I took that quiz myself, and scored 100%. So did several other atheists of my acquaintance.}
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The age of the Earth, the existence of billions of galaxies, the detailed confirmation of evolutionary biology, including our demonstrated close kinship to chimpanzees and indeed all other mammals - all these discoveries and many more have taken their toll on any literal understanding of the holy texts. Scholarship about the history of those texts has also made it more and more obvious that they are imperfect human artifacts with a long history of revision and adjustment, not eternal and unchanging gifts from God.

So what's a religion to do? There are two main tactics.

Plan A: Treat the long, steady retreat into metaphor and mystery as a process of increasing wisdom, and try to educate the congregation to the new sophisticated understandings.

Plan B: Cloak all the doctrines in a convenient fog and then not just excuse the faithful from trying to penetrate the fog, but celebrate the policy of not looking too closely at anyone's creed - not even your own.
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Atheists tend to be those curious and truth-loving folks who do take a good hard look at religious professions of faith, and hence they tend to know what they are walking away from. There have always been atheists, though not always very visible to the public. In fact, the perennial nagging doubts of the few atheists in the crowd have probably been the main force sustaining theology!

Most people are afraid of what they might discover if they read the fine print too carefully, so they sign on the dotted line without a glance, and then often feel the need to defend their lack of curiosity as an example of their holy trust in their own faith. But every generation has its restless doubters who are just not comfortable with the traditional formulas they are invited to profess by their religious leaders. They cast about, with great intelligence and ingenuity, for alternative formulations that they can assert with a clear conscience.

Those that find them are the theologians; those that don't are the atheists, whether or not they leave their churches or just hunker down in silence.

Worth reading all that article; it's quite short.

I have a t-shirt from the Atlanta Freethought Society which says "I don't want to believe- I want to know."

I do wonder if that 'wanting to know' is a causative factor for intelligence, or vice versa. The two definitely seem to be related. A close synonym of 'skeptical' is 'questioning'- and it's plain to me that if you aren't a questioning sort, you probably won't become as intelligent as you might. If you didn't have an aptitude for questioning, and a tendency to question all the ideas you encounter, you'd learn less.

We might note that Jews are on average at least as intelligent as atheists and agnostics. Jews are almost congenitally reticent to talk about their religion with those who are not of it- which is quite understandable, given the history. However, many of us skeptics are less prejudiced against Judaism than we are against the other two branches of Abrahamic belief- after all, their people gave us such luminaries as Spinoza, and Einstein. (I think it's possible that the persecution of Jews led to them becoming, overall, more clever than the average run of the human race. If you have to live by your wits, and the dull and thoughtless and unforesightful get slaughtered by angry mobs of Christian neighbors, that may serve as an evolutionary force selecting for intelligence!)
 
I'm not sure that we're necessarily more intelligent. I do think that we are more curious, more open minded and of course we are more skeptical of things that people tell us are true. I am so skeptical that I question whether atheists are more intelligent than theists. You guys obviously haven't met some of the atheists that I've met. :D

I don't think being curious is necessarily related to intelligence. It may just be a personality trait. People don't usually question things that they want to believe or that make them feel comfortable and secure. They lack the courage to do so.
 
You guys obviously haven't met some of the atheists that I've met. :D
In fact I've met a lot of the ones you're talking about. ;)

But we're talking about averages, here, not individuals. And it does seem to me, both from the available research and from personal experience, skeptics tend to be towards the more intelligent end of the scale, relative to believers.
 
If atheists claim they are so smart, why this?

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entr...lehub.com/deuteronomy/30-19.htm"]Choose life.

This is why.
study said:
Several contemporary cross-national and intranational geographic studies have reported positive ecological (group-level) associations of intelligence and suicide mortality.
 
So is atheism a form of class bias? Like thinking that you have an inherent right to "good schools", or a say in where taxpayer money goes, or that it is normal for a household to own a car and a washing machine? We know for a fact that IQ tests are not class-neutral.
 
You might have that backwards; class is not IQ-neutral. If you're smarter you are more likely to become financially successful.
 
If atheists claim they are so smart, why this?

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entr...lehub.com/deuteronomy/30-19.htm"]Choose life.

This is why.
study said:
Several contemporary cross-national and intranational geographic studies have reported positive ecological (group-level) associations of intelligence and suicide mortality.


Oh dear....LIRC wrong as always....

Bad Science: No, Atheism Does Not Cause Suicide

https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/5181
 
You might have that backwards; class is not IQ-neutral. If you're smarter you are more likely to become financially successful.

Ah, the myth of meritocracy in a society where the majority of wealth is inherited and the benefits of a quality education available to only a privileged minority. Shall we spar?
 
I did say 'might'. I don't want to claim that IQ is totally uninfluenced by society, or by one's class within society.

I don't claim that skepticism and intelligence are definitely causally linked, either- though IMO it appears to be, at least moderately.

But your post raises an interesting question of my own. Do you think that atheism is causally linked to wealth and education?
 
I did say 'might'. I don't want to claim that IQ is totally uninfluenced by society, or by one's class within society.

I don't claim that skepticism and intelligence are definitely causally linked, either- though IMO it appears to be, at least moderately.

But your post raises an interesting question of my own. Do you think that atheism is causally linked to wealth and education?
Absolutely. Atheism, like all religious beliefs, is a symbolic system of perception transmitted through social networks, and institutions of higher learning are obviously a good place to become involved in one of those networks. Only certain people go there in the first place, and an even more restricted set succeeds once there.

And in any case as far as wealth goes, one could hardly expect those with money to feel fondly about a religion that preaches the virtues of poverty and that money is the root of all evil. That's just logic. I've known wealthy Christians who found ways to overlook these teachings, but they are normally pretty disingenuous.
 
And in any case as far as wealth goes, one could hardly expect those with money to feel fondly about a religion that preaches the virtues of poverty and that money is the root of all evil. That's just logic. I've known wealthy Christians who found ways to overlook these teachings, but they are normally pretty disingenuous.

Some churches preach prosperity theology, and many churches and preachers are filthy rich. Christians have demonstrated that there are myriad ways to reconcile one's religion with one's desires, logic be damned.
 
Depends on what you mean by intelligence. I have worked with cretionists who made great engineersnand applied scintists. They compartmentalize faith and myth, and reality when it comes down to it.

I realized quickly way back when I first joined is that the theists who posted and argued were far less knowledgeable about the details of the bible than atheists, and religious history in general.
 
Have all those highly intelligent atheists worked out why it is that religiosity confers an evolutionary survival advantage and greater statistical longevity?
 
Have all those highly intelligent atheists worked out why it is that religiosity confers an evolutionary survival advantage and greater statistical longevity?

1. Theists are cunts to atheists.
2. "Religion is the opiate of the people."
 
Have all those highly intelligent atheists worked out why it is that religiosity confers an evolutionary survival advantage and greater statistical longevity?
Which religion? One that you consider true? Or one that you consider false?
 
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