Attitudes about white genocide

[laughing dog]

The OP statement is ridiculous because it is delusional. No one in the USA today is experiencing what the Jews experienced under the Nazis. Duh.

The OP seems to think otherwise.

I disagree. In the 2nd post, he wrote

Or do you think people associate statements about white genocide with extremism because they understand the statements, considered them, and think they are ridiculous?

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I don't see how anyone can misread

 

[Underseer]

I disagree. In the 2nd post, he wrote

Or do you think people associate statements about white genocide with extremism because they understand the statements, considered them, and think they are ridiculous?

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I don't see how anyone can misread

I want to avoid calling specific community members out, but someone did indeed post a video that was upset about the fact that most people assume one is extremist the moment they use the term "white genocide," then suggested that people associate claims about "white genocide" with extremism because people are sheep who just blindly follow the group.

Someone posted that video in another thread expecting us to find it relevant to another discussion.

I started this thread because I want to see how many people share that view about white genocide.

I think most of us automatically dismiss people who use the phrase "white genocide" as delusional white supremacists alt-right free speech warriors, but I thought it would be interesting to see how many people lament the fact that so many associate discussions about white genocide with extremism.

As of this post, only 11.11 percent of Talk Freethought posters think complaints about white genocide are unreasonable. That's smaller than I expected, so I am comforted.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

I think the statement in the OP is definitely over-over-the-top. I doubt even a bare minority in the brown-shirt movement think the white plight is that of those who suffered terribly in the Holocaust. And I think the OP is terribly mistaken is hopping straight to Godwin. The brown shirt movement is trying to march us to an Authoritarian government. Their lock step with Trump is frightening. Just because they aren't juxtapositioning the holocaust with the "plight" of white people doesn't mean they are not a danger to our nation.

I disagree. In the 2nd post, he wrote

Or do you think people associate statements about white genocide with extremism because they understand the statements, considered them, and think they are ridiculous?

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I don't see how anyone can misread

Jason is trying to be cute, with his roundabout take of Underseer's "conservolibertarian" shtick.

 

[Jason Harvestdancer]

I disagree.

Good for you. I think he doth protest too much.

 

[Bomb#20]

Statement: "White people in America are currently subjected to something that is unfair. The extent of this unfairness is comparable to what Jews endured during the Nazi holocaust."

Well of course you're an extremist. But then we already knew that. Why are you pointing it out?

The statement is not my statement.

Of course it's your statement. You're the one who said it. If you were quoting someone else you'd have actually quoted him or her, instead of just putting quotation marks around your own words in order to insinuate that you got them from somebody else.

The question is whether or not the statement is an example of extremism.

Yes, that's the question. And it is certainly an example of extremism. That's why I said the person who wrote those words -- you -- are an extremist.

We have at least one person in this forum who thinks it is very unreasonable to find the above statement an example of extremism.

Well then, in case you aren't misrepresenting what he thinks, he's wrong. What's your point? The presence of additional wrong people in this forum doesn't make you a moderate.

He even posted a video suggesting that the only reason people find claims about white genocide to be examples of extremism is because we are sheep who go with the crowd and can't think for ourselves.

People post a lot of videos here; I generally have better things to do than watch them. And people make a lot of claims about "white genocide"; whether such claims are examples of extremism depends on what is claimed about it. If someone disagrees with you about whether "claims about white genocide" are examples of extremism, perhaps he has different claims in mind from the examples you're thinking of.

If only we were intelligent and informed like the white supremacists are, we would agree that white genocide is a major concern for our time.

Or so the argument in the video went. I found the video ridiculous, but I want to see how many other posters on this forum agree with the video.

Well, since I have reason neither to think watching the video is a good use of my time, nor to think you're a reliable witness to the positions of people you disagree with, I'm afraid I'll have to remain agnostic*.

(* Unless you can find someone trustworthy who's willing to testify as to what the video says.)

 

[Underseer]

I think the statement in the OP is definitely over-over-the-top. I doubt even a bare minority in the brown-shirt movement think the white plight is that of those who suffered terribly in the Holocaust. And I think the OP is terribly mistaken is hopping straight to Godwin. The brown shirt movement is trying to march us to an Authoritarian government. Their lock step with Trump is frightening. Just because they aren't juxtapositioning the holocaust with the "plight" of white people doesn't mean they are not a danger to our nation.

I disagree. In the 2nd post, he wrote

Or do you think people associate statements about white genocide with extremism because they understand the statements, considered them, and think they are ridiculous?

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I don't see how anyone can misread

Jason is trying to be cute, with his roundabout take of Underseer's "conservolibertarian" shtick.

Sorry if the OP offends you, but someone around here specifically posted a video that complains about the fact that the moment the words "white genocide" comes out, many people assume that the person who uses the phrase is an extremist.

Of course the video was from a white supremacist complaining about the fact that many people have a problem openly identifying with white supremacist ideas unless it is carefully hidden behind a layer of dogwhistles, but I wanted to see how many around here have similar attitudes about the "problem" of "white genocide."

 

[Underseer]

The statement is not my statement.

Of course it's your statement. You're the one who said it. If you were quoting someone else you'd have actually quoted him or her, instead of just putting quotation marks around your own words in order to insinuate that you got them from somebody else.

The question is whether or not the statement is an example of extremism.

Yes, that's the question. And it is certainly an example of extremism. That's why I said the person who wrote those words -- you -- are an extremist.

We have at least one person in this forum who thinks it is very unreasonable to find the above statement an example of extremism.

Well then, in case you aren't misrepresenting what he thinks, he's wrong. What's your point? The presence of additional wrong people in this forum doesn't make you a moderate.

He even posted a video suggesting that the only reason people find claims about white genocide to be examples of extremism is because we are sheep who go with the crowd and can't think for ourselves.

People post a lot of videos here; I generally have better things to do than watch them. And people make a lot of claims about "white genocide"; whether such claims are examples of extremism depends on what is claimed about it. If someone disagrees with you about whether "claims about white genocide" are examples of extremism, perhaps he has different claims in mind from the examples you're thinking of.

If only we were intelligent and informed like the white supremacists are, we would agree that white genocide is a major concern for our time.

Or so the argument in the video went. I found the video ridiculous, but I want to see how many other posters on this forum agree with the video.

Well, since I have reason neither to think watching the video is a good use of my time, nor to think you're a reliable witness to the positions of people you disagree with, I'm afraid I'll have to remain agnostic*.

(* Unless you can find someone trustworthy who's willing to testify as to what the video says.)

Ah, OK.

So you are upset and think I am an extremist because you think that some claims about white genocide are legitimate, and that it is extremist and wrong of me to dismiss all claims about white genocide.

See?

We are learning things about each other through this dialog.

So which complaints about white genocide are legitimate in your opinion?

I apologize if I hurt your feelings by suggesting that complaints about white genocide are always extremist. Now please tell us all about the legitimate complaints about white genocide so that the rest of us know not to dismiss such concerns as the ravings of an extremist.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

I think the statement in the OP is definitely over-over-the-top. I doubt even a bare minority in the brown-shirt movement think the white plight is that of those who suffered terribly in the Holocaust. And I think the OP is terribly mistaken is hopping straight to Godwin. The brown shirt movement is trying to march us to an Authoritarian government. Their lock step with Trump is frightening. Just because they aren't juxtapositioning the holocaust with the "plight" of white people doesn't mean they are not a danger to our nation.

Jason is trying to be cute, with his roundabout take of Underseer's "conservolibertarian" shtick.

Sorry if the OP offends you, but someone around here specifically posted a video that complains about the fact that the moment the words "white genocide" comes out, many people assume that the person who uses the phrase is an extremist.

Of course the video was from a white supremacist complaining about the fact that many people have a problem openly identifying with white supremacist ideas unless it is carefully hidden behind a layer of dogwhistles, but I wanted to see how many around here have similar attitudes about the "problem" of "white genocide."

Well yeah. The goal of blanco unsupremos is to attempt to normalize their shit. They do this by speaking at colleges in an attempt to use the colleges reputation to legitimize their awful screed. Dress up in suits and speak from a podium in order to try and lipstick up the swine.

And then you have the ‘true’ liberals whine (cries of free speech for those that wish to eliminate rights of others) when other liberals rightfully object to the attempted normalization of the desired systematic hate from white people against all that dare not be bigoted.

 

[Underseer]

I think the statement in the OP is definitely over-over-the-top. I doubt even a bare minority in the brown-shirt movement think the white plight is that of those who suffered terribly in the Holocaust. And I think the OP is terribly mistaken is hopping straight to Godwin. The brown shirt movement is trying to march us to an Authoritarian government. Their lock step with Trump is frightening. Just because they aren't juxtapositioning the holocaust with the "plight" of white people doesn't mean they are not a danger to our nation.

Jason is trying to be cute, with his roundabout take of Underseer's "conservolibertarian" shtick.

Sorry if the OP offends you, but someone around here specifically posted a video that complains about the fact that the moment the words "white genocide" comes out, many people assume that the person who uses the phrase is an extremist.

Of course the video was from a white supremacist complaining about the fact that many people have a problem openly identifying with white supremacist ideas unless it is carefully hidden behind a layer of dogwhistles, but I wanted to see how many around here have similar attitudes about the "problem" of "white genocide."

Well yeah. The goal of blanco unsupremos is to attempt to normalize their shit. They do this by speaking at colleges in an attempt to use the colleges reputation to legitimize their awful screed. Dress up in suits and speak from a podium in order to try and lipstick up the swine.

OK.

And then you have the ‘true’ liberals whine (cries of free speech for those that wish to eliminate rights of others) when other liberals rightfully object to the attempted normalization of the desired systematic hate from white people against all that dare not be bigoted.

Can you give me an example of this?

I remember when an atheist group in a UK college got in trouble for posting a "Jesus and Mo" comic at an event. Some Muslim group complained that a depiction of Mohammed counted as "hate speech." I would definitely consider that an example.

I would certainly agree that that incident was ridiculous, but I'm not sure I would have phrased it the way that you did.

Also, I was accused of being Islamophobic by Muslims when I posted an article about ISIS abusing homosexuals, Of course, I don't count that as an example of liberalism gone amok because Christians also accuse me of "anti-Christian hate" when I criticized Chik-fil-A for trying to get all the gays in an African country executed.

Christians and Muslims claim that asking them to stop persecuting homosexuals counts as "persecuting" Christians and/or Muslims.

That's not an example of liberal political correctness gone amok. That's an example of religious extremists trying to co-opt political correctness to justify persecuting others.

Here's the thing, I find lots of rightists posting stories about "political correctness gone amok," but the problem is that I have never met nor heard a liberal expressing any views remotely like what is claimed in those "political correctness gone amok" article links exchanged by rightists. Mind you, I routinely get into loud arguments with liberals who have views that are clearly ridiculous, poorly thought out, and extremist, so it's not that I don't know liberals who are stupid or extremist.

I've argued with countless liberals who think 9/11 was obviously an "inside job."

I've argued with countless liberals who believe that vaccines cause autism or that "big pharma" has a "secret cure for cancer" that they refuse to release because profit. I've argued with liberals who insist that eating organic produce has identifiable health benefits. I've argued with liberals who think that avoiding GMO produce has scientifically measurable health benefits and that anyone who believes otherwise is the victim of a vast international conspiracy by Monsanto.

I've had arguments you honestly don't want to know about with batshit crazy liberals, but I have never had a liberal argue that if we stop Muslims from persecuting homosexuals, we are being "Islamophobes" and "persecuting" the Muslims. I've never personally met nor talked to any liberal expressing the kind of views we see in all those "news" articles from FOX News, Brietbart, etc. about "political correctness gone amok," so I would like a little clarification on what you mean by this.

 

[Underseer]

Bomb#20,

All you need is one example of a complaint about white genocide that is non-extremist and you prove that I'm the real extremist here.

One of four things will happen:

1. I agree with you that there exists a complaint about white genocide that is not an example of extremism. I admit that I am wrong in front of everyone. I'll be honest, I have a hard time thinking of any such argument, but I accept that you might come up with one.
2. I don't agree with you that the example you give is not extremist. The rest of the folks in this thread agree with you that you have given an example of a complaint about white genocide that is not extremist, and that my inability to agree with you proves that I'm the real extremist.
3. I don't agree with you that the example you give is not extremist. The rest of the poster in this thread don't think your example is not extremist and come to the conclusion that you are exactly the sort of person I was complaining about in the original post
4. You chicken out and refuse to offer an example of a non-extremist complaint about white genocide because you suddenly realize that you can't actually come up with such a thing. You try to change the subject instead of offering an example of a non-extremist complaint about white genocide. If you are successful, you can say something that gets everyone angry enough to forget that you were supposed to come up with an example of a non-extremist complaint about white genocide.

I'm trying to help you out here by showing you the easiest way to demonstrate to everyone the complaint you made about me.

Also, do you mind telling everyone how you answered the poll?

 

[laughing dog]

I disagree.

Good for you. I think he doth protest too much.

Unfortunately his post rebut your "interpretation".

 

[Bomb#20]

The statement is not my statement.

Of course it's your statement. You're the one who said it. If you were quoting someone else you'd have actually quoted him or her, instead of just putting quotation marks around your own words in order to insinuate that you got them from somebody else.

The question is whether or not the statement is an example of extremism.

Yes, that's the question. And it is certainly an example of extremism. That's why I said the person who wrote those words -- you -- are an extremist.

We have at least one person in this forum who thinks it is very unreasonable to find the above statement an example of extremism.

Well then, in case you aren't misrepresenting what he thinks, he's wrong. What's your point? The presence of additional wrong people in this forum doesn't make you a moderate.

He even posted a video suggesting that the only reason people find claims about white genocide to be examples of extremism is because we are sheep who go with the crowd and can't think for ourselves.

People post a lot of videos here; I generally have better things to do than watch them. And people make a lot of claims about "white genocide"; whether such claims are examples of extremism depends on what is claimed about it. If someone disagrees with you about whether "claims about white genocide" are examples of extremism, perhaps he has different claims in mind from the examples you're thinking of.

If only we were intelligent and informed like the white supremacists are, we would agree that white genocide is a major concern for our time.

Or so the argument in the video went. I found the video ridiculous, but I want to see how many other posters on this forum agree with the video.

Well, since I have reason neither to think watching the video is a good use of my time, nor to think you're a reliable witness to the positions of people you disagree with, I'm afraid I'll have to remain agnostic*.

(* Unless you can find someone trustworthy who's willing to testify as to what the video says.)

Ah, OK.

So you are upset and think I am an extremist because you think that some claims about white genocide are legitimate, and that it is extremist and wrong of me to dismiss all claims about white genocide.

Wrong. That's not what I said. I told you why you're an extremist. And I know you aren't as illiterate as you act in your pathetic schtick. You're an extremist because you said what you said in the OP, and those were extremist words, and they were your own words. And you knew perfectly well they were your own words when you wrote "The statement is not my statement.". You have a vicious and intellectually dishonest habit of putting your own words in your enemies' mouths because you prefer to set up and knock down strawmen rather than argue against what they actually say. You have been doing it for years, and now you're doing it again, this time to me. You just grossly misrepresented what I wrote, for the purpose of trying to make me look bad, because that's what you do, because you're you. Moderates do not behave that way. Therefore you are an extremist. Whether any claims about white genocide are legitimate is entirely beside the point.

See?

We are learning things about each other through this dialog.

No, we are not. You obviously learned nothing about me from what I wrote, since you chose to read my post with your ideological blinders on. You lied to yourself in order to comfort yourself into thinking what I said meant something entirely different from the plain meaning of my words. And I learned nothing about you, because you acted exactly in character. I already knew you were the sort of person your post reveals you to be.

So which complaints about white genocide are legitimate in your opinion?

Where the bejesus did I say any complaints about white genocide are legitimate, you serial mis-stater of other people's words? Quote me, or post a retraction of your false accusation.

I apologize if I hurt your feelings by suggesting that complaints about white genocide are always extremist. Now please tell us all about the legitimate complaints about white genocide so that the rest of us know not to dismiss such concerns as the ravings of an extremist.

You are committing libel. You are making false damaging claims about me with reckless disregard for the truth. In other news, guess what bears still do in the woods.

And if all that is incomprehensible to you, because you read your own words just as incompetently as you read mine, let me draw your attention to the fact that "claim" and "complaint" are not the same word. I didn't say anything about complaints. I said "claims", because you said "claims". See how dialog works? Then you changed it to "complaints", in order to smear me. Don't do that. It's dishonorable.

Now, for your edification, here is an example of a legitimate non-extremist claim about white genocide.

"In the U.S., white genocide isn't actually a real thing."

See how logic works?

 

[Jason Harvestdancer]

I disagree.

Good for you. I think he doth protest too much.

Unfortunately his post rebut your "interpretation".

I'm not interpreting anything. I'm reading his own words as he wrote them, and not trying to dig any deeper. White genocide is obviously a serious concern of his, but he tries to be vague on whether he supports it or fears it. There is some evidence that he takes the latter position.

 

[laughing dog]

Unfortunately his post rebut your "interpretation".

I'm not interpreting anything. I'm reading his own words as he wrote them, and not trying to dig any deeper....

From his 2nd post
"Or do you think people associate statements about white genocide with extremism because they understand the statements, considered them, and think they are ridiculous? "
An ordinary reading of that statement yields the conclusion that he thinks those statements about white genocide are ridiculous. In order for your position to be taken seriously, you need to come up with an explanation based on his written statements instead of your butthurt over the term "conservolibertarian".

 

[Underseer]

Of course it's your statement. You're the one who said it. If you were quoting someone else you'd have actually quoted him or her, instead of just putting quotation marks around your own words in order to insinuate that you got them from somebody else.

The question is whether or not the statement is an example of extremism.

Yes, that's the question. And it is certainly an example of extremism. That's why I said the person who wrote those words -- you -- are an extremist.

We have at least one person in this forum who thinks it is very unreasonable to find the above statement an example of extremism.

Well then, in case you aren't misrepresenting what he thinks, he's wrong. What's your point? The presence of additional wrong people in this forum doesn't make you a moderate.

He even posted a video suggesting that the only reason people find claims about white genocide to be examples of extremism is because we are sheep who go with the crowd and can't think for ourselves.

People post a lot of videos here; I generally have better things to do than watch them. And people make a lot of claims about "white genocide"; whether such claims are examples of extremism depends on what is claimed about it. If someone disagrees with you about whether "claims about white genocide" are examples of extremism, perhaps he has different claims in mind from the examples you're thinking of.

If only we were intelligent and informed like the white supremacists are, we would agree that white genocide is a major concern for our time.

Or so the argument in the video went. I found the video ridiculous, but I want to see how many other posters on this forum agree with the video.

Well, since I have reason neither to think watching the video is a good use of my time, nor to think you're a reliable witness to the positions of people you disagree with, I'm afraid I'll have to remain agnostic*.

(* Unless you can find someone trustworthy who's willing to testify as to what the video says.)

Ah, OK.

So you are upset and think I am an extremist because you think that some claims about white genocide are legitimate, and that it is extremist and wrong of me to dismiss all claims about white genocide.

Wrong. That's not what I said. I told you why you're an extremist. And I know you aren't as illiterate as you act in your pathetic schtick. You're an extremist because you said what you said in the OP, and those were extremist words, and they were your own words. And you knew perfectly well they were your own words when you wrote "The statement is not my statement.". You have a vicious and intellectually dishonest habit of putting your own words in your enemies' mouths because you prefer to set up and knock down strawmen rather than argue against what they actually say. You have been doing it for years, and now you're doing it again, this time to me. You just grossly misrepresented what I wrote, for the purpose of trying to make me look bad, because that's what you do, because you're you. Moderates do not behave that way. Therefore you are an extremist. Whether any claims about white genocide are legitimate is entirely beside the point.

See?

We are learning things about each other through this dialog.

No, we are not. You obviously learned nothing about me from what I wrote, since you chose to read my post with your ideological blinders on. You lied to yourself in order to comfort yourself into thinking what I said meant something entirely different from the plain meaning of my words. And I learned nothing about you, because you acted exactly in character. I already knew you were the sort of person your post reveals you to be.

So which complaints about white genocide are legitimate in your opinion?

Where the bejesus did I say any complaints about white genocide are legitimate, you serial mis-stater of other people's words? Quote me, or post a retraction of your false accusation.

I apologize if I hurt your feelings by suggesting that complaints about white genocide are always extremist. Now please tell us all about the legitimate complaints about white genocide so that the rest of us know not to dismiss such concerns as the ravings of an extremist.

You are committing libel. You are making false damaging claims about me with reckless disregard for the truth. In other news, guess what bears still do in the woods.

And if all that is incomprehensible to you, because you read your own words just as incompetently as you read mine, let me draw your attention to the fact that "claim" and "complaint" are not the same word. I didn't say anything about complaints. I said "claims", because you said "claims". See how dialog works? Then you changed it to "complaints", in order to smear me. Don't do that. It's dishonorable.

Now, for your edification, here is an example of a legitimate non-extremist claim about white genocide.

"In the U.S., white genocide isn't actually a real thing."

See how logic works?

Ok, fine.

Give us a single example of a complaint about white genocide that isn't extremist.

I'll be honest, I doubt you can think of any, but that would definitively prove the point you are trying to make. It would prove that I am the real extremist here.

If you cannot think of a single example of a complaint about white genocide that isn't extremist, then on what basis do you object to what I am saying?

You have obviously decided on option 4: you know that you cannot possibly think of a complaint about white genocide, so you're desperately hoping that you can just change the subject or something rather than prove the point you were trying to make.

What about Hillary Clinton's emails? Why aren't we talking about Hillary Clinton's emails instead?

Did I mention that Donald Trump is building concentration camps for children? I think that those children deserve to be in those concentration camps! Let's talk about that instead!

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One example. You only need one example of a complaint about white genocide that isn't extremist, and you prove that I'm definitely wrong.

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As of this posting, only 18.18% of respondents think that complaints about white genocide are not automatically examples of extremism. That's still lower than I was expecting. Consider me pleasantly surprised.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

Statement: "White people in America are currently subjected to something that is unfair. The extent of this unfairness is comparable to what Jews endured during the Nazi holocaust."

Well of course you're an extremist. But then we already knew that. Why are you pointing it out?

This seems like an ad hom with no post value. Please explain if that is not the case.

Btw, for everyone's edification, here's Wikipedia:

The white genocide conspiracy theory is a Neo-Nazi, white nationalist and supremacist conspiracy theory[1] that mass immigration, racial integration, miscegenation, low fertility rates and abortion are being promoted in predominantly white countries to deliberately turn them minority-white and hence cause white people to become extinct through forced assimilation.[2] The phrase "Anti-racist is a code word for anti-white", coined by high-profile white nationalist Robert Whitaker, is commonly associated with the topic of white genocide.[3][4] It has appeared on billboards in the United States near Birmingham, Alabama[5] and in Harrison, Arkansas.[6] The conspiracy theory had already been purported in Nazi Germany by a pamphlet written for the "Research Department for the Jewish question" of Walter Frank's "Reich Institute" with the title "Are the White Nations Dying? The Future of the White and the Colored Nations in the Light of Biological Statistics".[7]

 

[Jason Harvestdancer]

This seems like an ad hom with no post value. Please explain if that is not the case.

He posts about the subject a lot, so whether for or against it is still a subject that concerns him greatly.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

This seems like an ad hom with no post value. Please explain if that is not the case.

He posts about the subject a lot, so whether for or against it is still a subject that concerns him greatly.

When you forget that you were being sarcastic, it is time to layup on the sarcasm.

 

[Jason Harvestdancer]

This seems like an ad hom with no post value. Please explain if that is not the case.

He posts about the subject a lot, so whether for or against it is still a subject that concerns him greatly.

When you forget that you were being sarcastic, it is time to layup on the sarcasm.

I'm not being sarcastic at all. At no point in this thread was I being sarcastic. Underseer mentions white genocide in many posts in many threads. Therefore it is logical to conclude that this is a subject he thinks about and concerns him. Perhaps he worries that it will happen, perhaps he worries that it won't happen, but it clearly worries him.

 

[laughing dog]

When you forget that you were being sarcastic, it is time to layup on the sarcasm.

I'm not being sarcastic at all. At no point in this thread was I being sarcastic. Underseer mentions white genocide in many posts in many threads. Therefore it is logical to conclude that this is a subject he thinks about and concerns him. Perhaps he worries that it will happen, perhaps he worries that it won't happen, but it clearly worries him.

A more likely interpretation is that he is ridiculing the idea.