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#Blacklivesmurder, amirite Derec?
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I think you are fooling yourself re candy.
As far as evidence, him having been in Nation of Islam and ranting against 'crackers' and about Anton Sterling etc. does not suggest a right-wing sovereign citizen to me.
It was an impulse purchase. Or at least it had Anna and Elsa on it and knew that if I mentioned it and didn't get it that I'd have to make a second trip, ... and I knew I wouldn't be able to keep quiet about it.
Technically, it is evidence, but it's very weak evidence, so weak in fact that taken together, it's still very weak.
One objection that an opponent may say is that it's not evidence. It's put forward to demonstrate support for a position, so it is evidence.
A counter objection to that is that it doesn't support the position. That's irrelevant. What is relevant is that it's put forward.
A second objection (assuming an opponent accepts what is put forward as evidence) is that although it's evidence, it's not evidence for what it's being put forward for. Again, irrelevant for the same reason as the response to the counter objection.
Because your evidence does not remotely (even taken together) come close to demonstrating support, the evidence is as weak as it is distant from what it is you're trying to (and failing to) support.
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First in with the gun-military-hypocrisy conundrum for the conservatives?
What I mean to ask is how do conservatives square all this with their "values"? You have a former Marine (see hero worship of the military), killing three cops (see hero worship of the police), who used an assault rifle to commit the murders (see open carry + legal semi-automatic weapons).
How in the fuck can they wrap their heads around all of this at once? Oh, and then there's the good guy with a gun failure at work here too. There were many good guys with guns who had at least some modicum of training but three of them are dead.
Is it so crass for non-insane media pundits to point all this out and throw it in their goddamned faces at this point? The GOP/Tea Billies have no shame and will blatantly use death (e.g. Benghazi) to rake the Democrats over the coals with it, no matter how trivial or in poor taste.
Or would it even get through to anyone still dim enough not to put it all together? Yeah, that's probably the answer. But it just seems like there are opportunities to turn certain tides and the Dems aren't doing it.
What I mean to ask is how do conservatives square all this with their "values"? You have a former Marine (see hero worship of the military), killing three cops (see hero worship of the police), who used an assault rifle to commit the murders (see open carry + legal semi-automatic weapons).
How in the fuck can they wrap their heads around all of this at once? Oh, and then there's the good guy with a gun failure at work here too. There were many good guys with guns who had at least some modicum of training but three of them are dead.
Is it so crass for non-insane media pundits to point all this out and throw it in their goddamned faces at this point? The GOP/Tea Billies have no shame and will blatantly use death (e.g. Benghazi) to rake the Democrats over the coals with it, no matter how trivial or in poor taste.
Or would it even get through to anyone still dim enough not to put it all together? Yeah, that's probably the answer. But it just seems like there are opportunities to turn certain tides and the Dems aren't doing it.
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Neither a not b until the facts are very clear. However in the interim we can formulate theories (not conclusions) and see where events take us. Investigators do this to try and follow or develop leads.
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You are the one fooling yourself with this nonsense.
I do not think #BLM has a membership roll as such, but the things he spoke about, complaining about police shooting black criminals like Alton Sterling, going to protests, saying racist things about white people, fit #BLM ideology.
Note that #BLM love to glorify cop killer Assata Shakur.
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Well using that standard, people who go around routinely denigrating black people and condoning the killing of black people fit the KKK ideology. Does that ring any bells?
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Dismal is right. The conservatives will not think about this that deeply. The shooter was Black. That's all they need to know to condemn him.
If you're having trouble condemning this murderer you may need a humanity check.
Disgusting.
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I agree. I'm not sure what you are replying about.
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No, him having murdered 3 people and shooting another 3 is all you need to know to condemn him.
His race and politics (black supreacism/separatism) goes to his motives however.
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No, it really doesn't.
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You are only fooling yourself with these KKK inspired responses.
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He's affiliated with the group "racist murdering assholes".
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wow, that is some serious foreboding.
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I think he was a "We Wuz Kings" kind of black man:
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Sitting here in Australia I am appalled by the last 3 odd weeks in the US.
Why do you yanks hate each other so much?
Why is the gun the first resort rather than the absolutely last, don't-want-to-use-it resort?
You have too many guns, too freely available in the hands of too many who should not have them.
Why do you yanks hate each other so much?
Why is the gun the first resort rather than the absolutely last, don't-want-to-use-it resort?
You have too many guns, too freely available in the hands of too many who should not have them.
They have had to spend far too much time having to wish people to have a good day now, when they were seething with anger, and since they've never been taught to deal with their own faults first, they think it useful to project everything on other. Add to that the very, very deep effects of racist slavery, and the present pressure on mothers' boys to swagger about with bag-bangs as a substitute for manliness, and you really do have a recipe for Civil War, even before you consider the gerrymandering of political districts having removed the need to attract moderate opinion.
There's probably not greater amount of hate per capita in the US than any other country which is presently not engaged in a civil war. The difference in the US and almost everywhere else is, we have a lot of guns.
In any population, there will be people on the edges, who believe extreme things and do extreme things. Some of these people are simply crazy. They have a skewed view of reality. They may hear voices, or believe there are hidden microphones in the door knobs. They have easy access to firearms. The rest of us won't know how crazy they are, until they shoot a Congresswoman, or kill a dozen people in a theater.
There are other extreme people whose grasp on reality is quite keen. They just have different conclusions, based on the same facts. They are content to forfeit their own lives in order to make a political point. They also have easy access to firearms.
This doesn't even begin to cover the people who shoot themselves, either by accident or intention.
Of course, a lot of common crimes, such as murder and robbery, involve easily obtained firearms.
The reason the insane, the extreme, the criminal, and the inept, are able to obtain a gun, is because we consider this a reasonable price to pay, in order that all Americans can obtain a gun. This is one of those cases somewhere halfway between simply crazy and different conclusions.
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So now we know that isn't the case. Any comments?
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Right-wing propaganda radio / cable programming. 30 years of lies and now a generation of true believers who want to return the US to a time that never actually existed in our history. Some seem to think the 70s were great.