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Trump did not gain popularity by acting like a jerk he did so by being authentic and credible with the middle class.
This might be the biggest shovelful of bullshit I've read all week.

Trump's fans proudly embraced his ethic of "fuck your feelings."

Did you miss that?

As for authenticity, how many middle class men get up every morning and have a team work for an hour on their hair and makeup? How many middle class people think that shitting in the White House toilets is beneath them and complain that they aren't made of gold? How many middle class workers have burned through a bevy of supermodel wives while cheating on them with porn stars?

And credible? Right now we're learning that Trump had nuclear secrets at his totally relatable to the middle class golf resort, lied about taking them, lied when asked to return them, lied when subpoenaed to return them, and then spun at least half a dozen lies about the boxes of classified documents that were found on his sprawling "middle class" property.



 

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Unlike either Hilary or Trump, Biden actually has the authority to present himself credibly with the middle class.
So...what? He is now obligated to? Name one Presidential candidate in the last 30 fucking years who passes such scrutiny. Bob Dole, Bachmann, Paul Ryan, Fred Thompson etc. Go on, name fucking one.

Oh wait, you can't? Yeah, didn't think so.
Trump did not gain popularity by acting like a jerk
Agreed. He gained popularity by being a cunt. Mexicans are rapists. Grab them by the pussy. Ted Cruz is the Zodiac Killer. Ted Cruz's wife is an ugly piece of shit. Low energy Jeb Bush. Rubio! Crooked Hillary. Shifty Adam Schiff. CNN reporters getting shot in the face is a beautiful thing.

Tell me when to stop. It's easier to list the people on the planet Trump hasn't acted like a cunt towards. Let's see if you are smart enough to see a pattern:
Vladamir Putin
Mohammed bin Salman
Recep Tayyip Erdoğan
Viktor Orban
Ivanka Trump

That's about it. Trump has been a cunt to pretty much everyone else. He would spit in your face and yet you still love him. That's kinda weird.

he did so by being authentic and credible with the middle class.

That's right. The guy who lives in central New York in an apartment with his name stenciled on it in gold letters with a literal golden throne and eats pizza with a knife and fork is genuine. I've got to ask, how shitfaced were you when you posted that horseshit?

Instead here we see Biden making threatening speeches looking like Darth Sidious. He is borrowing Trumps worst qualities.

Just...go away. Biden is not calling the free press "enemies of the people". He is not orchestrating domestic terrorism everytime an election doesn't go his way. And he doesn't want to be president for life.

Joe Biden isn't perfect. He is also a bajillion times better than the sandworm god emperor you worship.
 

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But why did he make himself appear like Darth Sidious with all the darkness and red coloring? How was that visual supposed to bring the nation together?

The people in the Red party in the Red states who wear the Red hats suddenly pretending that red lighting is inherently terrifying to them? Pretty funny. Alas, I'm not sure they are aware of the irony.
 

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Is he actually trying to calm the country down or instead stir things up more?
I think the answer is evident if you listen to the speech. He is, as you say, blasting the MAGAts. On one hand, that might stir “things” (MAGAts) up. On the other, he is trying to unite reasonable people regardless of Party, to oppose and prevent MAGAt fascism from abolishing democracy and converting America to the kleptocracy of Trump’s dreams.
Trump is desperate, and any attempt to restrain him will be met with violence. Having once elected him, that is now a price we will pay to get rid of him. Otherwise we lose everything.
It might be an appropriate time to remind you....that if discord continues further into civil war there is one side that is heavily armed and trigger happy. That same side being trained and experienced in firearms.

It is in no ones best interest to stir things up more.
This seems like a threat.
Seems? How else could it even be interpreted?

Nothing to be afraid of though, Trumpers can't actually fight for shit. They're too cowardly to even say what they mean most of the time, let alone fight for it.
 

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It's easier to list the people on the planet Trump hasn't acted like a cunt towards. Let's see if you are smart enough to see a pattern:
Vladamir Putin
Mohammed bin Salman
Recep Tayyip Erdoğan
Viktor Orban
Ivanka Trump
Now, that's not fair. those aren't the only people on the planet he hasn't acted like a cunt towards.

There's Kim Jong Un as well.
 

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Trump did not gain popularity by acting like a jerk he did so by being authentic and credible with the middle class.
This might be the biggest shovelful of bullshit I've read all week.

Trump's fans proudly embraced his ethic of "fuck your feelings."

Did you miss that?

As for authenticity, how many middle class men get up every morning and have a team work for an hour on their hair and makeup? How many middle class people think that shitting in the White House toilets is beneath them and complain that they aren't made of gold? How many middle class workers have burned through a bevy of supermodel wives while cheating on them with porn stars?

And credible? Right now we're learning that Trump had nuclear secrets at his totally relatable to the middle class golf resort, lied about taking them, lied when asked to return them, lied when subpoenaed to return them, and then spun at least half a dozen lies about the boxes of classified documents that were found on his sprawling "middle class" property.



He was authentic and credilble at the time because he was the ONLY politician at the time saying he would place tariffs and prevent further globalization. All the other politicians (both sides) were saying the same other story. They were saying the jobs went away are aren't ever coming back. The middle class knew better because they knew the real truth that our politicians had sold them out to special interests and were still selling them out.

All the other stuff about the hair and the toilets, the little people could care less about. All the little people care about is whether their OWN lives get better or not. And for better or worse Trump was authentic to them because he was telling the truth. I happen to believe Biden has learned a lesson from this because so far he has not removed mann of Trump's tarriffs and appears genuenly interested in bringing strategic industry (chips) back to Ohio.

All I'm saying (related to the OP) is that Biden should keep the good things about Trump (tariffs) and get rid of the bad things about Trump (trying to look like Hitler to other party). And he will be tons more successful.
 

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Trump did not gain popularity by acting like a jerk he did so by being authentic and credible with the middle class.
This might be the biggest shovelful of bullshit I've read all week.

Trump's fans proudly embraced his ethic of "fuck your feelings."

Did you miss that?

As for authenticity, how many middle class men get up every morning and have a team work for an hour on their hair and makeup? How many middle class people think that shitting in the White House toilets is beneath them and complain that they aren't made of gold? How many middle class workers have burned through a bevy of supermodel wives while cheating on them with porn stars?

And credible? Right now we're learning that Trump had nuclear secrets at his totally relatable to the middle class golf resort, lied about taking them, lied when asked to return them, lied when subpoenaed to return them, and then spun at least half a dozen lies about the boxes of classified documents that were found on his sprawling "middle class" property.



He was authentic and credilble at the time because he was the ONLY politician at the time saying he would place tariffs and prevent further globalization. All the other politicians (both sides) were saying the same other story. They were saying the jobs went away are aren't ever coming back. The middle class knew better because they knew the real truth that our politicians had sold them out to special interests and were still selling them out.

All the other stuff about the hair and the toilets, the little people could care less about. All the little people care about is whether their OWN lives get better or not. And for better or worse Trump was authentic to them because he was telling the truth. I happen to believe Biden has learned a lesson from this because so far he has not removed mann of Trump's tarriffs and appears genuenly interested in bringing strategic industry (chips) back to Ohio.

All I'm saying (related to the OP) is that Biden should keep the good things about Trump (tariffs) and get rid of the bad things about Trump (trying to look like Hitler to other party). And he will be tons more successful.
Trump's tariff policy cost the US about 250,000 jobs (mostly middle-class jobs) and didn't change the trade imbalance in the least. It reduced our GNP and hurt the country.

 

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Trump did not gain popularity by acting like a jerk he did so by being authentic and credible with the middle class.
This might be the biggest shovelful of bullshit I've read all week.

Trump's fans proudly embraced his ethic of "fuck your feelings."

Did you miss that?

As for authenticity, how many middle class men get up every morning and have a team work for an hour on their hair and makeup? How many middle class people think that shitting in the White House toilets is beneath them and complain that they aren't made of gold? How many middle class workers have burned through a bevy of supermodel wives while cheating on them with porn stars?

And credible? Right now we're learning that Trump had nuclear secrets at his totally relatable to the middle class golf resort, lied about taking them, lied when asked to return them, lied when subpoenaed to return them, and then spun at least half a dozen lies about the boxes of classified documents that were found on his sprawling "middle class" property.



He was authentic and credilble at the time because he was the ONLY politician at the time saying he would place tariffs and prevent further globalization. All the other politicians (both sides) were saying the same other story. They were saying the jobs went away are aren't ever coming back. The middle class knew better because they knew the real truth that our politicians had sold them out to special interests and were still selling them out.

All the other stuff about the hair and the toilets, the little people could care less about. All the little people care about is whether their OWN lives get better or not. And for better or worse Trump was authentic to them because he was telling the truth. I happen to believe Biden has learned a lesson from this because so far he has not removed mann of Trump's tarriffs and appears genuenly interested in bringing strategic industry (chips) back to Ohio.

All I'm saying (related to the OP) is that Biden should keep the good things about Trump (tariffs) and get rid of the bad things about Trump (trying to look like Hitler to other party). And he will be tons more successful.
Trump's tariff policy cost the US about 250,000 jobs (mostly middle-class jobs) and didn't change the trade imbalance in the least. It reduced our GNP and hurt the country.

Globalism does not work for the middle class and the middle class knows this. The middle class knows Washington was gravely mistaken especially with regards:

1. That production and manufacturing jobs were unimportant because those positions would be replaced by better paying service and information jobs....and
2. That if the US helped China into the WTO, the PRC would become more of a democracy.

The real and unvarnished truth is that our political elite messed up big time and the middle class knows this. That is why the globalism pendulum has started swinging the other way and its not coming back.

Despite what wikipedia has to say about it.

All of this is off topic to the OP anyway. Even if your argument is correct, Biden would still favor anti-globalism at this point because that is what the middle class wants.
 

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Trump did not gain popularity by acting like a jerk he did so by being authentic and credible with the middle class.
This might be the biggest shovelful of bullshit I've read all week.

Trump's fans proudly embraced his ethic of "fuck your feelings."

Did you miss that?

As for authenticity, how many middle class men get up every morning and have a team work for an hour on their hair and makeup? How many middle class people think that shitting in the White House toilets is beneath them and complain that they aren't made of gold? How many middle class workers have burned through a bevy of supermodel wives while cheating on them with porn stars?

And credible? Right now we're learning that Trump had nuclear secrets at his totally relatable to the middle class golf resort, lied about taking them, lied when asked to return them, lied when subpoenaed to return them, and then spun at least half a dozen lies about the boxes of classified documents that were found on his sprawling "middle class" property.



He was authentic and credilble at the time because he was the ONLY politician at the time saying he would place tariffs and prevent further globalization. All the other politicians (both sides) were saying the same other story. They were saying the jobs went away are aren't ever coming back. The middle class knew better because they knew the real truth that our politicians had sold them out to special interests and were still selling them out.

All the other stuff about the hair and the toilets, the little people could care less about. All the little people care about is whether their OWN lives get better or not. And for better or worse Trump was authentic to them because he was telling the truth. I happen to believe Biden has learned a lesson from this because so far he has not removed mann of Trump's tarriffs and appears genuenly interested in bringing strategic industry (chips) back to Ohio.

All I'm saying (related to the OP) is that Biden should keep the good things about Trump (tariffs) and get rid of the bad things about Trump (trying to look like Hitler to other party). And he will be tons more successful.
I stand corrected. You have many more shovelfuls of bullshit to deliver.

Trump was telling the truth? The man is the most prolific liar in White House history. He makes Nixon look like an honest man.

Your comment about "the little people" is laughable considering you turn right around and paint yourself as spokesman for what the middle class wants.

As for saving jobs that are irrelevant in today's global economy, do you also wish that Biden would fight to bring back telephone operator jobs? Phone book delivery jobs? Elevator operators? How about all the people who used to work making VCRs?

Trump (like you, apparently) has no idea what the middle class does or wants. To him they're "the little people" who work coal mining jobs and admire him for his dancing to that new song YMCA. His tariffs hurt the entire economy, but the wealthy really made out like bandits under his regime. The "little people" got massive unemployment thanks to his complete fumbling of the pandemic response. There are no "good things about Trump" for Biden to keep.

But you go on admiring Fragilego Mussolini if that makes you feel better than "the little people." Today he said that his medical records will reveal that he's "an absolutely perfect physical specimen" and I bet you'll believe that, too. Because he's so honest and authentic...
 

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He was authentic and credilble at the time because he was the ONLY politician at the time saying he would place tariffs and prevent further globalization. All the other politicians (both sides) were saying the same other story. They were saying the jobs went away are aren't ever coming back. The middle class knew better because they knew the real truth that our politicians had sold them out to special interests and were still selling them out.

All the other stuff about the hair and the toilets, the little people could care less about. All the little people care about is whether their OWN lives get better or not. And for better or worse Trump was authentic to them because he was telling the truth. I happen to believe Biden has learned a lesson from this because so far he has not removed mann of Trump's tarriffs and appears genuenly interested in bringing strategic industry (chips) back to Ohio.

All I'm saying (related to the OP) is that Biden should keep the good things about Trump (tariffs) and get rid of the bad things about Trump (trying to look like Hitler to other party). And he will be tons more successful.
Trump's tariff policy cost the US about 250,000 jobs (mostly middle-class jobs) and didn't change the trade imbalance in the least. It reduced our GNP and hurt the country.

Globalism does not work for the middle class and the middle class knows this. The middle class knows Washington was gravely mistaken especially with regards:

1. That production and manufacturing jobs were unimportant because those positions would be replaced by better paying service and information jobs....and
2. That if the US helped China into the WTO, the PRC would become more of a democracy.
Is that true? While some things are a bit harder today, we have a lot more today that we did in the 80s. If anything, one of the perceived First World strains stems straight from that! Our access to data, media, entertainment has never been better. Cars are better. Appliances and stuff for the home is (well it was) plentiful. It isn't as reliable, but it is a lot cheaper, and lower and middle class do get those advantages.
The real and unvarnished truth is that our political elite messed up big time and the middle class knows this.
That why the last few elections haven't been blow outs?
That is why the globalism pendulum has started swinging the other way and its not coming back.
Dude... the factories in China closed and moved to Vietnam. That toothpaste is out of the tube, ain't going back in.
Despite what wikipedia has to say about it.

All of this is off topic to the OP anyway. Even if your argument is correct, Biden would still favor anti-globalism at this point because that is what the middle class wants.
The middle class wants its cake... and to eat it. They want all of the stuff they can get... and they want it cheap... and if it is convenient, more good paying jobs in the US... but only if that doesn't impact the first two things.
 

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OMG, the sickness runs deep.
The middle class knew better because they knew the real truth that our politicians had sold them out to special interests and were still selling them out.
Yeah those coal miners remain in eternal gratitude for Trump saving their industry and giving them back those high paying jobs just like he promised.
Oh, wait …

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Your hero is a fraud, Vonse. You have been HAD.

As pointed out, Cheato’s tariffs were a total debacle that hurt our economy and destroyed another quarter million jobs. But Trump told you it worked so you believed him.

There’s a reason they’re called trumpsuckers.
 

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Globalism does not work for the middle class and the middle class knows this. The middle class knows Washington was gravely mistaken especially with regards:

1. That production and manufacturing jobs were unimportant because those positions would be replaced by better paying service and information jobs....and
2. That if the US helped China into the WTO, the PRC would become more of a democracy.

The real and unvarnished truth is that our political elite messed up big time and the middle class knows this. That is why the globalism pendulum has started swinging the other way and its not coming back.

Despite what wikipedia has to say about it.

All of this is off topic to the OP anyway. Even if your argument is correct, Biden would still favor anti-globalism at this point because that is what the middle class wants.
You aren't rebutting anything here--trade wars hurt everyone. The only question is who gets hurt worse.

And most of the jobs that disappeared were lost to automation, not to outsourcing.
 

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Trump did not gain popularity by acting like a jerk he did so by being authentic and credible with the middle class.
This might be the biggest shovelful of bullshit I've read all week.

Trump's fans proudly embraced his ethic of "fuck your feelings."

Did you miss that?

As for authenticity, how many middle class men get up every morning and have a team work for an hour on their hair and makeup? How many middle class people think that shitting in the White House toilets is beneath them and complain that they aren't made of gold? How many middle class workers have burned through a bevy of supermodel wives while cheating on them with porn stars?

And credible? Right now we're learning that Trump had nuclear secrets at his totally relatable to the middle class golf resort, lied about taking them, lied when asked to return them, lied when subpoenaed to return them, and then spun at least half a dozen lies about the boxes of classified documents that were found on his sprawling "middle class" property.




But you go on admiring Fragilego Mussolini if that makes you feel better than "the little people." Today he said that his medical records will reveal that he's "an absolutely perfect physical specimen" and I bet you'll believe that, too. Because he's so honest and authentic...
I'm not admiring Mussolini (or Trump) but pointing out that Biden should capture and copy the best parts of Trump and not the worst charactoristics. Trumps populist positions were basically correct but his personal flaws obviously were not.

The average Trump supporter is dispised and hated by you and liberals then thrown under the bus by Trump. I'm pretty sure they would like to go somewhere else if there were somewhere else to go. And that a politician (like Biden) would do better attempting to win them over to his side rather than acting like Darth Sidious.
 

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--trade wars hurt everyone. The only question is who gets hurt worse.
Judging by the looks of Detroit I'd say the US lost the most and Shanghai got hurt the least by the last trade war.
 

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His populist positions were empty bumper sticker slogans with no basis in reality. The coal thing is a great example. His tariffs were stupid and hurt more than they helped. His biggest legislative accomplishment was the Ryan/McConnell corporate tax giveaway. His populist appeal was convincing rust belt that he was for them while fucking them over. How good for the middle class were his cabinet selections like Wilbur Ross, Andrew Wheeler, Rick Perry, etc... How about the federalist society judges that were packed in?
 

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Biden should capture and copy the best parts of Trump
I don’t think Biden wants any part of that cockwomble. Not even the best part; that hair would just look stupid on him.
 

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Biden should capture and copy the best parts of Trump
I don’t think Biden wants any part of that cockwomble. Not even the best part; that hair would just look stupid on him.
Agreed. Biden is a straight shooter compared to most politicians (which is a very low bar!). He's not going to lie to people saying that it's possible to bring back the 1950's.
 

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But you go on admiring Fragilego Mussolini if that makes you feel better than "the little people." Today he said that his medical records will reveal that he's "an absolutely perfect physical specimen" and I bet you'll believe that, too. Because he's so honest and authentic...
I'm not admiring Mussolini (or Trump) but pointing out that Biden should capture and copy the best parts of Trump and not the worst charactoristics. Trumps populist positions were basically correct but his personal flaws obviously were not.
Populist positions? Jebus Christ! He has no positions, other than TRUMP RICH! Trump is nothing but Trump. That you even think he gives a fuck about a worker is a betrayal of your level of trust in people. There is nothing worth emulating about Trump.
The average Trump supporter is dispised and hated by you and liberals then thrown under the bus by Trump. I'm pretty sure they would like to go somewhere else if there were somewhere else to go. And that a politician (like Biden) would do better attempting to win them over to his side rather than acting like Darth Sidious.
Biden is currently busy running a country and signing off on legislation that'll benefit those people. Biden cares more about the average Trump voter than Trump ever did.

Trump supporters are like a fraud victim who is currently being defrauded. They are so into the con, they can't leverage their rationality outside of the con. Steve Bannon was just arrested for defrauding people with a 'build a wall' scam. These are Trump's people. And the "Stop the Steal" was exposed for the political scam it was as well. Yet, they are still all about Trump.
 

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I'm not admiring Mussolini (or Trump)
Uh huh.
but pointing out that Biden should capture and copy the best parts of Trump
He has. So has everyone else on the planet. Emulating the best parts of Trump is real fucking easy. I'm doing it now.
Trumps populist positions were basically correct
It is the height of hubris to think that just because you agree with someone, they are correct. Kinda like how you always mistakenly believe you represent the middle class of America.
The average Trump supporter is dispised and hated by you and liberals then thrown under the bus by Trump. I'm pretty sure they would like to go somewhere else if there were somewhere else to go.
Nope. Most Trumptards are so fucking stupid they need a "goodie" and a "baddie" in their political discourse. If you still support Trump, you're tribal, not political - and incidentally one of the best reasons why voting should never be compulsory in the US.
And that a politician (like Biden) would do better attempting to win them over to his side rather than acting like Darth Sidious
Jesus fucking Christ. One speech (which incidentally you said you had no problem with) that has some red in it and you're ready to throw Biden under the bus. Trying to reach people with such an attitude will always be more trouble than it's worth. Enjoy living on the fringe.
 

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Trump supporters are like a fraud victim who is currently being defrauded. They are so into the con, they can't leverage their rationality outside of the con. Steve Bannon was just arrested for defrauding people with a 'build a wall' scam. These are Trump's people. And the "Stop the Steal" was exposed for the political scam it was as well. Yet, they are still all about Trump.

A couple years ago, I told a Trump-supporting co-worker about the experience a friend of mine had when she was a contestant on "The Apprentice." When Trump was introduced to the contestants, he got to her, stared at her chest and said "honey, if you wanna make it in this business you're gonna have to do something about those."

Not "welcome to the cast" or "we expect great things." Nope. It was "your tits aren't big enough." Just straight up sexually harassed her right off the bat. And she wasn't unattractive. She was cast on a network television show, so...

My co-worker's response? "Ha, that's my boy!" He thought it was cool that Trump harasses women and treats them like objects. And if you think that's wrong, you're a "triggered" "libtard."

This is the mentality of a Trump supporter.
 

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This is about the best, most succinct explanation of Trumpers I've read.
I've come to the conclusion that die-hard Trump supporters are like the followers of Tommy, the only way to follow and be like Tommy was to intentionally become deaf, dumb, and blind.
 

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WASHINGTON, Sept 7 (Reuters) - Days after Democratic President Joe Biden gave a fiery speech attacking former President Donald Trump and his Republican allies as an extremist threat, a Reuters/Ipsos poll completed on Wednesday found a majority of Americans believe Trump's movement is undermining democracy.

Fifty-eight percent of respondents in the two-day poll - including one in four Republicans - said Trump's "Make America Great Again" movement is threatening America's democratic foundations.


Biden's Sept. 1 speech marked a sharp turn for his efforts to boost Democrats in the Nov. 8 midterm elections, when Republicans aim to win control of the U.S. Congress. read more
 

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I actually enjoyed the speech, in an ironic sort of way.

They're no longer pretending.
Yes. The Dems are no longer pretending that the GOP primary's results propping up a bunch of 2020 Election deniers isn't a threat to our nation's democracy. That the mere saying the 2020 election was "stolen" lifted people up in the polls once anointed by Donald Trump.
Sure, tell yourself that's what I meant.

I don't know about you, but I grew up in the era of "better dead than Red," and find it endlessly fascinating that the GOP has embraced that color. For decades, the Republican Party stoked the fires of fear about "the Reds" hiding under the bed, bemoaned everything that happened in "Red Square," and warned about "the Red Menace."

The colors switched in the 1980s for reasons I never understood. For decades it was the Blue-Bloods versus the Red-friendly.

Okay...so you agree with the right wing that Biden's speech was the most divisive thing anyone had ever done, because....red lights?

Do I need to remind you of the color of the hats at the latest Trump rally?
It makes some sense that the Republicans would be dressed in red since the Republican color is red. But Biden is a Democrat and their color is supposed to be blue. Here we have what should be a blue democrat sporting Lucifer colors. But color notwithstanding, what was the purpose of the ultra dark lighting?

Trump never had a speech I am aware of with that type of dark "Dark Sidious" kind of setting.
You forgetting his cPAC appearance on a stage shaped like a Nazi symbol?
Yeah, who designed that stage for them? What a Nazi the designer must be. Did you join the effort to ostracize the designer?

The right is basically saying do it our way or we will take power by force.
True, they're the ones who set fire to their cities every time the get upset.
 
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