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"Black Lives Matter" go after student newspaper for publishing a critical op-ed

To be precise, it is not the "BLM Movement" but some students at an university.

No, it does not surprise me that single issue zealots over-react. Especially after reading OP threads in this forum.
 
The Orwellian demands by the offended always crack me up

In response, students submitted a petition that, according to the Argus, demands that the student government revoke the paper's funding, that the Argus and other student publications undergo social justice and diversity training, and that the paper create print space dedicated to marginalized voices.

If they're going to defund the paper, how can they also demand that they undergo social justice training?

It's one thing for your boss to say 'you have to undergo social justice training or you're fired' but it's quite another for your boss to say 'you're fired, but before you go you have to undergo social justice training'.
 
What the fuck is wrong with students these days ? Nothing but a bunch of whining cry babies that stamp their little feet and hold their breath when presented with an opinion that challenges their own.

Independent
 
The paper is not going to be defunded
Nor is the paper going to stop printing varying views

But the students are now actually debating the issues. Isn't that what we want? Isn't that what college is about?

As for what is wrong with students these days? They are just imitating what they have seen adults doing for their entire lives.
 
As for what is wrong with students these days? They are just imitating what they have seen adults doing for their entire lives.

Ya, but these are college students. Don't we expect more from them then simply trying to imitate the idiots whom they're trying to make redundant and then dump onto ice floes?
 
As for what is wrong with students these days? They are just imitating what they have seen adults doing for their entire lives.

Ya, but these are college students. Don't we expect more from them then simply trying to imitate the idiots whom they're trying to make redundant and then dump onto ice floes?

How does that happen?

It happened in the 60s because the kids learned the propaganda and actually believed it, then felt betrayed when they saw it wasn't true. Today kids don't even know the propaganda
 
But the students are now actually debating the issues.

Actually, they are not.

No one? not a single student on campus?

The WSA is sponsoring a town hall-style meeting Sunday for students to discuss the issue. A WSA member would have to request a formal discussion before any official action could be taken in response to the petition's demands, Cullen said. That had not happened as of Wednesday.

"The WSA has never restricted free speech and promotes respectful discourse," Cullen said. The meeting is expected to include conversation about "collaborative steps forward and … community building through greater equity and inclusion," she said.

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Many students have written their own opinion pieces and have flooded the Argus website with counter-arguments in the days since Stascavage's op-ed appeared, and the Argus staff wrote its own editorial, published Sept. 17.

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She said the Argus has made a promise to Wesleyan students to include more views of students of color, and that staff is open to participating in discussions about how to make the paper more inclusive.

Much of the discussion about Stascavage's op-ed in recent days has been around the right to free speech, a subject Wesleyan President Michael Roth, Provost Joyce Jacobsen, and Vice President for Equity and Inclusion Antonio Farias weighed in on with an op-ed of their own titled "Black Lives Matter and So Does Free Speech."

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"Debates can raise intense emotions, but that doesn't mean that we should demand ideological conformity because people are made uncomfortable. As members of a university community, we always have the right to respond with our own opinions, but there is no right not to be offended. We certainly have no right to harass people because we don't like their views. Censorship diminishes true diversity of thinking; vigorous debate enlivens and instructs," the op-ed said.

Oh and I like the way you just left out the bulk of my post.

So you don't think the students should debate the issue. You don't think debate and hearing more than one side of an issue is what college is about?
 
But the students are now actually debating the issues.

Actually, they are not.

Shouting, debating, quibbling, overreacting. Where have we seen this before. Oh yeah, when Obama made political claims at a joint meeting of House and Senate and some wingnut shouted "liar".

I guess the second black president doesn't just get flagellated with admiration and Nobel Prizes.
 
To be precise, it is not the "BLM Movement" but some students at an university.

No, it does not surprise me that single issue zealots over-react. Especially after reading OP threads in this forum.

If they are petitioning on the basis of an article instead of writing a rebuttal then this is trying to enforce censorship and a violation of free speech. The paper did seem to acknowledge what was described as some poor fact checking which means these students may one day become editors of a national paper or work for Fox News. The only difference is such media rarely admits an error. Surely the editors should start by allowing a counter argument by way of an article rebutting or refuting what was written. Then this could continue for a while in one or two more articles.
 
Shouting, debating, quibbling, overreacting. Where have we seen this before.

Try to stay on topic.

The topic" Oh, you mean whether Derec's opinion about BLM constitutes the basis for a discussion about student political discussion? Or, do you mean whether an opinion answered by an opinion followed by sanctions against the answering opinion is proper college management practice?

As I said, its about shouting, debating, quibbling, overreacting. What is your position?
 
What the fuck is wrong with students these days ? Nothing but a bunch of whining cry babies that stamp their little feet and hold their breath when presented with an opinion that challenges their own.

Independent

Its hardly news. This has been going on for years.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/04/10/brandeis-ayaan-hirsi-ali_n_5127792.html
Brandeis University's Decision To Cancel Ayaan Hirsi Ali Appearance Has Done Liberals No Favors

Well, as of yesterday, all of that is off. In a statement, the Brandeis said: "She is a compelling public figure and advocate for women's rights, and we respect and appreciate her work to protect and defend the rights of women and girls throughout the world ... That said, we cannot overlook certain of her past statements that are inconsistent with Brandeis University's core values


My take on this. Isn't free speech designed to sometimes challenge the core values of others and allow debate where one can see different viewpoints.

http://www.syracuse.com/news/index....nt_speakers_canceling_over_controversies.html
Brandeis University, meanwhile, withdrew its offer of an honorary degree to Ayaan Hirsi Ali, a Muslim women's advocate who has made comments critical of Islam

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blog...udents-cancel-bill-maher-commencement-speech/
Now the same student group at the University of California Berkeley that selected Bill Maher as the commencement speaker in December wants to remove him because of remarks he has made about religion, according to this petition on Change.org, which is titled, “Stop Bill Maher from speaking at UC Berkeley’s December graduation.” Maher, who has made no secret of his atheism over the years, recently has made some controversial remarks about Islam on his HBO show “Real Time With Bill Maher
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Mind you I thought this joke of his was quite funny. "Islam is a religion of peace; a piece of you here and a piece of you there".
 
Actually, they are not.

No one? not a single student on campus?

The WSA is sponsoring a town hall-style meeting Sunday for students to discuss the issue. A WSA member would have to request a formal discussion before any official action could be taken in response to the petition's demands, Cullen said. That had not happened as of Wednesday.

"The WSA has never restricted free speech and promotes respectful discourse," Cullen said. The meeting is expected to include conversation about "collaborative steps forward and … community building through greater equity and inclusion," she said.

...

Many students have written their own opinion pieces and have flooded the Argus website with counter-arguments in the days since Stascavage's op-ed appeared, and the Argus staff wrote its own editorial, published Sept. 17.

...

She said the Argus has made a promise to Wesleyan students to include more views of students of color, and that staff is open to participating in discussions about how to make the paper more inclusive.

Much of the discussion about Stascavage's op-ed in recent days has been around the right to free speech, a subject Wesleyan President Michael Roth, Provost Joyce Jacobsen, and Vice President for Equity and Inclusion Antonio Farias weighed in on with an op-ed of their own titled "Black Lives Matter and So Does Free Speech."

...

"Debates can raise intense emotions, but that doesn't mean that we should demand ideological conformity because people are made uncomfortable. As members of a university community, we always have the right to respond with our own opinions, but there is no right not to be offended. We certainly have no right to harass people because we don't like their views. Censorship diminishes true diversity of thinking; vigorous debate enlivens and instructs," the op-ed said.

Oh and I like the way you just left out the bulk of my post.

So you don't think the students should debate the issue. You don't think debate and hearing more than one side of an issue is what college is about?


Now for TSwizzle's edited version. Notice how the questions in the original version are not answered


Nope, the speaker is barred from campus and branded a racist by student union thought police.
 
I only reference the main topic. Not the silly distractions that aren't relevant. Get back to me when the speaker is allowed to speak freely on campus.
 
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