Black people afraid to call the police because of fear of police brutality?

[SimpleDon]

That reminds me of this one I read a few weeks ago
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...police-officer-he-then-violently-arrests-her/

You are not supposed to exit a vehicle unless told to do so. Whether you are black or White.

As far as the overall issue, I blame #BLM (and black radicalism/nationalism in general) for fomenting hostility toward police. Had White not reacted with paranoia toward police in the first place, she would never had been arrested. It's like a self-fulfilling prophecy.

Of course you do. You see nearly everything as a problem of race and nearly every racial problem as being one of discrimination against whites. That this is delusional shouldn't have to be stated.

You are every bit as bad as your projection of racism onto the BLM. But the BLM is much more justified in their claims of racism than you are, from a historical perceptive, the residual effects of centuries of undisputed legal racism, and today's fact of systemic racism.

Blacks are justifiably afraid of the police. Blacks are much more likely to be stopped by the police, much more likely to be ticketed or arrested, much more likely to be fined more than they can afford if ticketed, much more likely to be convicted of a crime if arrested, much more likely to be sentenced to prison and to be sentenced for longer, than a white person. This in total is undeniable fact. This is certain evidence of systemic racism against blacks.

This isn't racism because the police consider blacks to be an inferior race of people, a subspecies of innately violent people doomed by genetics. This concept is largely in the past, restricted to just a few white supremacists today, themselves sure victims of racism, unable to cope with today's realities, increasingly condemned to society's fringes. .

All of the data available sees little difference between the attitudes of black police officers and white police officers toward black civilians. And they are largely justified in viewing blacks with more suspicion than others. Statistically blacks are more likely to be criminals than whites.

This fact is undeniable. And you seem to understand this and it is hopefully not too presumptuous of me to say that you largely agree with me so far. But now something that you that you don't seem to understand, That this fact that blacks are more likely to be criminals is all of the more reason that blacks are justifiably angry. That 90% of all street crime is committed by the poor and that blacks are more than two times more likely to be poor. It is unavoidable that more blacks are criminals in proportion to their numbers.

So we are left now with two questions. Why more than fifty years after the normal end of legal racism are so many blacks still poor? And more generally, why are the poor much more likely to be criminals?

Any thoughts?

 

[Treedbear]

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As far as the overall issue, I blame #BLM (and black radicalism/nationalism in general) for fomenting hostility toward police. Had White not reacted with paranoia toward police in the first place, she would never had been arrested. It's like a self-fulfilling prophecy.

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So we are left now with two questions. Why more than fifty years after the normal end of legal racism are so many blacks still poor? And more generally, why are the poor much more likely to be criminals?

Any thoughts?

The basic fact of life is that if a man can't support his family he will loose respect for himself. Without self respect you gradually lose concern for taking care of the things you own and your long-term health and well-being. It's a downward spiral. There's simply no reasonable argument that begins with "all they have to do is ...". So the poor have more single-parent families and boys grow-up without role models who really care about them. The mothers get-by by living on the dole because society must have some minimum standard of empathy, and so the fathers develop an ethic based on infidelity that the community learns to respect as such. The most talented entrepreneurs end up in prison where they hone their craft. The nation is embroiled in aggression overseas which is applauded by patriots and is brought home in the form of PTSD, suicide, homelessness, broken families, and a penchant for resolving issues with guns. Criminals as well as law enforcement. The situation becomes institutionalized and a line item in the budget. But the poor don't have budgets. If you get paid so little when you can find a job that you can't save enough to get the car repaired, go to the doctor to take care of simple things that can become really bad disabilities, or take advantage of the local supermarket sale, let alone help out a relative in need, then you become a permanent under-class. Yeah ... self-fulfilling prophesy my eye.

 

[coloradoatheist]

You are not supposed to exit a vehicle unless told to do so. Whether you are black or White.

As far as the overall issue, I blame #BLM (and black radicalism/nationalism in general) for fomenting hostility toward police. Had White not reacted with paranoia toward police in the first place, she would never had been arrested. It's like a self-fulfilling prophecy.

Of course you do. You see nearly everything as a problem of race and nearly every racial problem as being one of discrimination against whites. That this is delusional shouldn't have to be stated.

You are every bit as bad as your projection of racism onto the BLM. But the BLM is much more justified in their claims of racism than you are, from a historical perceptive, the residual effects of centuries of undisputed legal racism, and today's fact of systemic racism.

Blacks are justifiably afraid of the police. Blacks are much more likely to be stopped by the police, much more likely to be ticketed or arrested, much more likely to be fined more than they can afford if ticketed, much more likely to be convicted of a crime if arrested, much more likely to be sentenced to prison and to be sentenced for longer, than a white person. This in total is undeniable fact. This is certain evidence of systemic racism against blacks.

This isn't racism because the police consider blacks to be an inferior race of people, a subspecies of innately violent people doomed by genetics. This concept is largely in the past, restricted to just a few white supremacists today, themselves sure victims of racism, unable to cope with today's realities, increasingly condemned to society's fringes. .

All of the data available sees little difference between the attitudes of black police officers and white police officers toward black civilians. And they are largely justified in viewing blacks with more suspicion than others. Statistically blacks are more likely to be criminals than whites.

This fact is undeniable. And you seem to understand this and it is hopefully not too presumptuous of me to say that you largely agree with me so far. But now something that you that you don't seem to understand, That this fact that blacks are more likely to be criminals is all of the more reason that blacks are justifiably angry. That 90% of all street crime is committed by the poor and that blacks are more than two times more likely to be poor. It is unavoidable that more blacks are criminals in proportion to their numbers.

So we are left now with two questions. Why more than fifty years after the normal end of legal racism are so many blacks still poor? And more generally, why are the poor much more likely to be criminals?

Any thoughts?

For your second question, wasn't this discussed by Aristotle several thousand years ago and been the same since? The first question is hotly debated.

 

[ksen]

It is not against the law to get out of your car at a traffic stop; therefore no excuse for arresting her.

As far as the overall issue, I blame #BLM (and black radicalism/nationalism in general) for fomenting hostility toward police. Had White not reacted with paranoia toward police in the first place, she would never had been arrested. It's like a self-fulfilling prophecy.

Of course you blame the victim, blacks in general and #BLM in particular. I suspect you blame #BLM for your intestinal gas too

Except her better option and that would have been okay is just ask the police officer when the court date is, say "Have a good day" and then gone and argued her case before the judge. No reason to call 911 and she was dumb to get out of the car.

Dumb only in the sense that we allow cops to act like feral animals and not civilized human beings.

 

[coloradoatheist]

It is not against the law to get out of your car at a traffic stop; therefore no excuse for arresting her.

As far as the overall issue, I blame #BLM (and black radicalism/nationalism in general) for fomenting hostility toward police. Had White not reacted with paranoia toward police in the first place, she would never had been arrested. It's like a self-fulfilling prophecy.

Of course you blame the victim, blacks in general and #BLM in particular. I suspect you blame #BLM for your intestinal gas too

Except her better option and that would have been okay is just ask the police officer when the court date is, say "Have a good day" and then gone and argued her case before the judge. No reason to call 911 and she was dumb to get out of the car.

Dumb only in the sense that we allow cops to act like feral animals and not civilized human beings.

No. She gets out of her car to confront the car and he asks for his safety for her to get back. She's upset that she is getting a ticket. Should we have anarchy and not have police officers? It sounds like that might be better for blacks.

 

[laughing dog]

It is not against the law to get out of your car at a traffic stop; therefore no excuse for arresting her.

As far as the overall issue, I blame #BLM (and black radicalism/nationalism in general) for fomenting hostility toward police. Had White not reacted with paranoia toward police in the first place, she would never had been arrested. It's like a self-fulfilling prophecy.

Of course you blame the victim, blacks in general and #BLM in particular. I suspect you blame #BLM for your intestinal gas too

Except her better option and that would have been okay is just ask the police officer when the court date is, say "Have a good day" and then gone and argued her case before the judge. No reason to call 911 and she was dumb to get out of the car.

Dumb only in the sense that we allow cops to act like feral animals and not civilized human beings.

No. She gets out of her car to confront the car and he asks for his safety for her to get back. She's upset that she is getting a ticket. Should we have anarchy and not have police officers? It sounds like that might be better for blacks.

What is with the excluded middle fallacy? So what if she disobeyed the police officer and committed the unforgivable sin of getting out of her car? There was no harm done. Perhaps if you could point how this is relevant to the issue of black people being fearful of police, your position might become understandable.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

That reminds me of this one I read a few weeks ago
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...police-officer-he-then-violently-arrests-her/

A black woman called 911 because she was afraid of a police officer. A violent arrest followed.

Nervous and distraught, Earledreka White did the only thing she thought she could to allay her fears after being stopped by a police officer in Houston: She called 911 to report the traffic stop and asked for police backup.

White’s voice was so shaky that she stuttered when trying to give the emergency dispatcher their location, a medical plaza parking lot outside the Loop 610 near downtown Houston. Next to her stood an officer with Houston’s Metro Police Department, waiting while she made the call in the doorway of her sedan.

“He’s saying I crossed over a solid line and I did not,” White told the dispatcher. “I got out of the car to ask him what the offense was. He raised his voice at me and threatened to arrest me. So I’m really confused. And I would like another officer to come out here.

“My heart is racing. I’m really afraid.”

Just from this I see:

1) You don't contest the traffic offense at the scene. That's for the courtroom.

2) You don't get out of your car at a traffic stop unless told to.

3) She is not describing anything that warrants fear.

And reading the rest of the article:

4) She seems totally clueless.

Traffic stop reality: You sign the ticket or you go to jail. If you try to resist this you'll get a resisting arrest charge on top of it.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

That reminds me of this one I read a few weeks ago
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...police-officer-he-then-violently-arrests-her/

You are not supposed to exit a vehicle unless told to do so. Whether you are black or White.

As far as the overall issue, I blame #BLM (and black radicalism/nationalism in general) for fomenting hostility toward police. Had White not reacted with paranoia toward police in the first place, she would never had been arrested. It's like a self-fulfilling prophecy.

I disagree. While BLM likely is a big part of her fear the fundamental issue seems to be noncompliance and I think that would have happened anyway.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Also their "we are at war" mentality. Displays of power like this are threatening, not reassuring.

Look at that vehicle more carefully.

See any weapons on it?

See the writing on it? "Rescue vehicle".

Stuff like that exists to pull people out of dangerous situations, not to threaten anyone.

 

[coloradoatheist]

It is not against the law to get out of your car at a traffic stop; therefore no excuse for arresting her.

As far as the overall issue, I blame #BLM (and black radicalism/nationalism in general) for fomenting hostility toward police. Had White not reacted with paranoia toward police in the first place, she would never had been arrested. It's like a self-fulfilling prophecy.

Of course you blame the victim, blacks in general and #BLM in particular. I suspect you blame #BLM for your intestinal gas too

Except her better option and that would have been okay is just ask the police officer when the court date is, say "Have a good day" and then gone and argued her case before the judge. No reason to call 911 and she was dumb to get out of the car.

Dumb only in the sense that we allow cops to act like feral animals and not civilized human beings.

No. She gets out of her car to confront the car and he asks for his safety for her to get back. She's upset that she is getting a ticket. Should we have anarchy and not have police officers? It sounds like that might be better for blacks.

What is with the excluded middle fallacy? So what if she disobeyed the police officer and committed the unforgivable sin of getting out of her car? There was no harm done. Perhaps if you could point how this is relevant to the issue of black people being fearful of police, your position might become understandable.

She got out of the car, he said get back in and then she played the games. She wasn't paying to him so he could give her the citation. The cop isn't going to spend the next 10 hours waiting for you. Loren summed it up too.

 

[laughing dog]

It is not against the law to get out of your car at a traffic stop; therefore no excuse for arresting her.

As far as the overall issue, I blame #BLM (and black radicalism/nationalism in general) for fomenting hostility toward police. Had White not reacted with paranoia toward police in the first place, she would never had been arrested. It's like a self-fulfilling prophecy.

Of course you blame the victim, blacks in general and #BLM in particular. I suspect you blame #BLM for your intestinal gas too

Except her better option and that would have been okay is just ask the police officer when the court date is, say "Have a good day" and then gone and argued her case before the judge. No reason to call 911 and she was dumb to get out of the car.

Dumb only in the sense that we allow cops to act like feral animals and not civilized human beings.

No. She gets out of her car to confront the car and he asks for his safety for her to get back. She's upset that she is getting a ticket. Should we have anarchy and not have police officers? It sounds like that might be better for blacks.

What is with the excluded middle fallacy? So what if she disobeyed the police officer and committed the unforgivable sin of getting out of her car? There was no harm done. Perhaps if you could point how this is relevant to the issue of black people being fearful of police, your position might become understandable.

She got out of the car, he said get back in and then she played the games. She wasn't paying to him so he could give her the citation. The cop isn't going to spend the next 10 hours waiting for you. Loren summed it up too.

Nothing you wrote addresses my "Perhaps if you could point how this is relevant to the issue of black people being fearful of police, your position might become understandable"

 

[coloradoatheist]

She got out of the car, he said get back in and then she played the games. She wasn't paying to him so he could give her the citation. The cop isn't going to spend the next 10 hours waiting for you. Loren summed it up too. Nothing you wrote addresses my "Perhaps if you could point how this is relevant to the issue of black people being fearful of police, your position might become understandable"

It was a self-fullfiling prophecy. She was afraid and her actions escalated the situation and she failed to obey the officer.

 

[laughing dog]

She got out of the car, he said get back in and then she played the games. She wasn't paying to him so he could give her the citation. The cop isn't going to spend the next 10 hours waiting for you. Loren summed it up too. Nothing you wrote addresses my "Perhaps if you could point how this is relevant to the issue of black people being fearful of police, your position might become understandable"

It was a self-fullfiling prophecy. She was afraid and her actions escalated the situation and she failed to obey the officer.

Which does not address the issue of why she was afraid.

 

[coloradoatheist]

It was a self-fullfiling prophecy. She was afraid and her actions escalated the situation and she failed to obey the officer.

Which does not address the issue of why she was afraid.

She created the situation she was afraid of.

 

[laughing dog]

Which does not address the issue of why she was afraid.

She created the situation she was afraid of.

No. You said it was a self-fulfilling prophecy which means the fear was there prior to the stop. And she certainly did not create the situation by herself. So that does not explain why she was afraid of that police officer.

 

[Treedbear]

Also their "we are at war" mentality. Displays of power like this are threatening, not reassuring.

Look at that vehicle more carefully.

See any weapons on it?

See the writing on it? "Rescue vehicle".

Stuff like that exists to pull people out of dangerous situations, not to threaten anyone.

I see butterflies and unicorns.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

That reminds me of this one I read a few weeks ago
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...police-officer-he-then-violently-arrests-her/

A black woman called 911 because she was afraid of a police officer. A violent arrest followed.

Nervous and distraught, Earledreka White did the only thing she thought she could to allay her fears after being stopped by a police officer in Houston: She called 911 to report the traffic stop and asked for police backup.

White’s voice was so shaky that she stuttered when trying to give the emergency dispatcher their location, a medical plaza parking lot outside the Loop 610 near downtown Houston. Next to her stood an officer with Houston’s Metro Police Department, waiting while she made the call in the doorway of her sedan.

“He’s saying I crossed over a solid line and I did not,” White told the dispatcher. “I got out of the car to ask him what the offense was. He raised his voice at me and threatened to arrest me. So I’m really confused. And I would like another officer to come out here.

“My heart is racing. I’m really afraid.”

Just from this I see:

1) You don't contest the traffic offense at the scene. That's for the courtroom.

2) You don't get out of your car at a traffic stop unless told to.

3) She is not describing anything that warrants fear.

And reading the rest of the article:

4) She seems totally clueless.

Traffic stop reality: You sign the ticket or you go to jail. If you try to resist this you'll get a resisting arrest charge on top of it.

Or you:

1) drive around with a large pillow and pretend you are pregnant

or

2) a nurse's uniform

Both alternatives work better for women than men.

- - - Updated - - -

Also their "we are at war" mentality. Displays of power like this are threatening, not reassuring.

Look at that vehicle more carefully.

See any weapons on it?

See the writing on it? "Rescue vehicle".

Stuff like that exists to pull people out of dangerous situations, not to threaten anyone.

Dangerous situations like what, Waco... after the fire had started?!

 

[ksen]

Look at that vehicle more carefully.

See any weapons on it?

See the writing on it? "Rescue vehicle".

Stuff like that exists to pull people out of dangerous situations, not to threaten anyone.

I see butterflies and unicorns.

I see authoritarians getting boners.

 

[ksen]

Just from this I see:

1) You don't contest the traffic offense at the scene. That's for the courtroom.

2) You don't get out of your car at a traffic stop unless told to.

3) She is not describing anything that warrants fear.

And reading the rest of the article:

4) She seems totally clueless.

Traffic stop reality: You sign the ticket or you go to jail. If you try to resist this you'll get a resisting arrest charge on top of it.

Or you:

1) drive around with a large pillow and pretend you are pregnant

or

2) a nurse's uniform

Both alternatives work better for women than men.

- - - Updated - - -

Also their "we are at war" mentality. Displays of power like this are threatening, not reassuring.

Look at that vehicle more carefully.

See any weapons on it?

See the writing on it? "Rescue vehicle".

Stuff like that exists to pull people out of dangerous situations, not to threaten anyone.

Dangerous situations like what, Waco... after the fire had started?!

Automatic weapons and ski masks are key ingredients for pulling people out of dangerous situations.

 

[KeepTalking]

Also their "we are at war" mentality. Displays of power like this are threatening, not reassuring.

Look at that vehicle more carefully.

See any weapons on it?

See the writing on it? "Rescue vehicle".

Stuff like that exists to pull people out of dangerous situations, not to threaten anyone.

I see two Assault Rifles, a small turret on top that can have a heavy weapon mounted on it, and firing ports beneath each window on the side of the vehicle. "Rescue Vehicle" indeed.