#BLM thugs beat up a high schooler

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

We're all still waiting for you to explain why we're supposed to automatically think they're guilty from their pictures and the article. Is it the hoodies?

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I purposely linked to a NYDN article because that rag is rather friendly toward #BLM - so if there was even a hint of reason to doubt their guilt, they would have written about it.

That's not proof of guilt. If it were that simple, then the Duke Lacrosse team would have been found guilty.

 

[Derec]

This place has become a cesspool of racist ignorance.

Yes, much of it dumped by you.

If these young men assaulted somebody then that should be dealt with in a fair and impartial manner where all suspects are assumed innocent and must be proven guilty.

Presumed innocent, but that point has been hashed enough.

But the BLM movement cannot be reduced to any four students.

Yet they did this because of the #BLM movement. It is hardly a surprise that a movement which is racist and glorifies thugs will inspire racial violence.

It is an important movement pointing out gross inequality and injustice.

What inequality? Do you mean the inequality of per-capita rates of violent crime where blacks are much more likely to engage in violent crime than whites?
And what injustice? Injustice of MSM treating black-on-white crime rather blase but overemphasizing every instance of white-on-black crime? If four whites beat up a black 17 year old because he wore a #BLM t-shirt that would be front page national news!

To oppose it is to merely oppose equality and justice for black people.

Bullshit! #BLM is a destructive movement and opposing it is necessary to establish real equality and justice.

 

[Derec]

We're all still waiting for you to explain why we're supposed to automatically think they're guilty from their pictures and the article. Is it the hoodies?

I already explained it. You keep going back to your hoodie fetish.

I purposely linked to a NYDN article because that rag is rather friendly toward #BLM - so if there was even a hint of reason to doubt their guilt, they would have written about it.

That's not proof of guilt.

Did I say it was? A proof is not required to form working hypotheses and discuss the case in a forum.

If it were that simple, then the Duke Lacrosse team would have been found guilty.

There were a lot of reasons to doubt Crystal Magnum's story from the very beginning. I see no reason as of now to doubt this crime happened as reported. Do you?

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

I already explained it. You keep going back to your hoodie fetish.

I purposely linked to a NYDN article because that rag is rather friendly toward #BLM - so if there was even a hint of reason to doubt their guilt, they would have written about it.

That's not proof of guilt.

Did I say it was? A proof is not required to form working hypotheses and discuss the case in a forum.

If it were that simple, then the Duke Lacrosse team would have been found guilty.

There were a lot of reasons to doubt Crystal Magnum's story from the very beginning. I see no reason as of now to doubt this crime happened as reported. Do you?

You are engaging in the obvious fallacy of SHIFTING THE BURDEN OF PROOF.

Your assertion is that they are guilty. Whereas I am agnostic. I don't have a claim except that you haven't presented evidence proving your assertion.

I see no reason as of now to doubt this crime happened as reported. Do you?

Well, of course, I do. You haven't presented evidence that these 4 were caught in the act by police and independent witnesses. You haven't presented evidence that it was an intended, pre-meditated act that did not come from him confronting them or brandishing fists at them. I don't know if it was instead some other 3 or 5 persons who ran away and then these 4 were caught later. I am NOT going to list a litany of possibilities that potentially fill gaps in the OP you presented.

You just posted some pictures and linked an article with little evidence of anything. It's YOUR claim and YOU need to prove it.

You are attacking ME because you didn't post required information to PROVE your claim they are thugs who should go to jail for a long time.

Also...generally, YOU go after people for thinking someone is guilty prior to a court doing so. So this is your double standard, too.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

I mean, shit, Derec, we all remember how you attack parents of kids who have been killed for speaking out about their attackers, like for example, Trayvon Martin's parents. Or calling female victims "money grubbing bitches" before there is even a court case. Now, are you calling this victim's mother a "money grubbing bitch?" Are you maligning her character? So, what's the difference? Is it the hoodies? Please tell us the reason for your SEEMING double standard. If you have more info on this maybe you should present it rather than attacking people here for not being convinced by your lack-of-evidence OP.

 

[Derec]

Unless you can prove that these boys liking BLM is the reason they beat up the white kid, I am not getting your point.

Did you even read the article? It is pretty clear they did it because of #BLM.

And this is not the first time there was #BLM inspired racist violence. For example:
Men chant 'Black lives matter' before viciously attacking white victims, police say


But just like "Islam has nothing to do with Islamic terrorism", "Black Lives Matter has nothing to do with Black Lives Matter inspired violence".

My brother is the biggest Redskins fan there is. And his name is Dallas. That doesn't mean that when he was mad at our folks it was because of the name they chose.

Cute. They should have named him Chief Wahoo to really mess with his head.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

Written to Athena:

Did you even read the article? It is pretty clear they did it because of #BLM.

Again, the article presents very little evidence of anything.

 

[AthenaAwakened]

Did you even read the article? It is pretty clear they did it because of #BLM.

And this is not the first time there was #BLM inspired racist violence. For example:
Men chant 'Black lives matter' before viciously attacking white victims, police say


But just like "Islam has nothing to do with Islamic terrorism", "Black Lives Matter has nothing to do with Black Lives Matter inspired violence".

My brother is the biggest Redskins fan there is. And his name is Dallas. That doesn't mean that when he was mad at our folks it was because of the name they chose.

Cute. They should have named him Chief Wahoo to really mess with his head.

My brother was named for my mother's only sibling. My uncle died North Coast of Africa April 12, 1945. He was 21 years old.

So once again, you are not funny.

 

[untermensche]

To oppose it is to merely oppose equality and justice for black people.

Bullshit! #BLM is a destructive movement and opposing it is necessary to establish real equality and justice.

You remind me of all those segregationists.

Claiming that substandard treatment and refusal of service was good for people.

Nothing you say about the BLM movement has any connection to reality. It is all twisted through a racist lens.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Bullshit! #BLM is a destructive movement and opposing it is necessary to establish real equality and justice.

You remind me of all those segregationists.

Claiming that substandard treatment and refusal of service was good for people.

Nothing you say about the BLM movement has any connection to reality. It is all twisted through a racist lens.

Objecting to racism doesn't make you a racist.

 

[laughing dog]

However there is nothing to suggest that the BLM is in anyway linked to this, where it also has no policy that encourages such behaviour.

The whole motive for the crime was #BLM.

And you know the whole motive for the crime because....?

 

[Arctish]

Objecting to racism doesn't make you a racist.

I agree.

So when people go to a #BLM rally to publicly express their objection to the lingering racism that causes public officials and LEOs to value their lives less than that of other citizens, you understand that doesn't make them racist, right?

 

[untermensche]

You remind me of all those segregationists.

Claiming that substandard treatment and refusal of service was good for people.

Nothing you say about the BLM movement has any connection to reality. It is all twisted through a racist lens.

Objecting to racism doesn't make you a racist.

An obsession to tar efforts by blacks to end excessive police violence with every minor crime by random youths is a sign of racist inclinations.

 

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[Loren Pechtel]

Objecting to racism doesn't make you a racist.

I agree.

So when people go to a #BLM rally to publicly express their objection to the lingering racism that causes public officials and LEOs to value their lives less than that of other citizens, you understand that doesn't make them racist, right?

They're either uninformed (because BLM is based on a lie) or racist.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Objecting to racism doesn't make you a racist.

An obsession to tar efforts by blacks to end excessive police violence with every minor crime by random youths is a sign of racist inclinations.

Except BLM is based on targeting all police violence against blacks without any regard for whether it was proper or not. The true purpose of BLM (admittedly, not known to most of it's supporters) is to stir up racial hate.

 

[laughing dog]

An obsession to tar efforts by blacks to end excessive police violence with every minor crime by random youths is a sign of racist inclinations.

Except BLM is based on targeting all police violence against blacks without any regard for whether it was proper or not. The true purpose of BLM (admittedly, not known to most of it's supporters) is to stir up racial hate.

Are these claims your deductions from your views or are they based on actual statements from BLM headquarters?

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

An obsession to tar efforts by blacks to end excessive police violence with every minor crime by random youths is a sign of racist inclinations.

Except BLM is based on targeting all police violence against blacks without any regard for whether it was proper or not. The true purpose of BLM (admittedly, not known to most of it's supporters) is to stir up racial hate.

I never had you pegged for a conspiracy theorist--you generally are against conspiracy theories. I have even appreciated some of your posts over the last decade when you've been against those theories. But now your claims are off the deep end, as they say. If you're going to say things like that, you need extraordinary proof. Extraordinary claims require it or did you forget?

 

[whichphilosophy]

However there is nothing to suggest that the BLM is in anyway linked to this, where it also has no policy that encourages such behaviour.

The whole motive for the crime was #BLM. And the #BLM leaders are certainly not condemning this crime.

Unless you are telepathic you could not say what is in the minds of the alleged suspects. Whether the BLM condemned this or not doesn't alter that. You might get a mob of yobs attack someone of non European ethnicity but that does not mean those who are anti-illegal immigration are all of the same mind, even where the person came over legally.

 

[Mumbles]

An obsession to tar efforts by blacks to end excessive police violence with every minor crime by random youths is a sign of racist inclinations.

Except BLM is based on targeting all police violence against blacks without any regard for whether it was proper or not. The true purpose of BLM (admittedly, not known to most of it's supporters) is to stir up racial hate.

Which is quite an amazing claim, given that the group was begun as a response to the acquittal of George Zimmerman for the murder of Trayvon Martin.

But I must wonder, how did you come upon this knowledge?