British students: Israel is worse than ISIS

[Loren Pechtel]

http://ukmediawatch.org/2015/06/03/...passed-motion-boycotting-israel-beyondparody/


And people say there isn't an antisemitism problem over there???

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

http://ukmediawatch.org/2015/06/03/...passed-motion-boycotting-israel-beyondparody/

And people say there isn't an antisemitism problem over there???

Who the fuck said that?

I think we need a subforum called "soap box" so that the few users here with their soapbox issues can repeatedly post the same stuff over and over and over again, without littering the PD forum.

 

[barbos]

A lot of mislim british students?

 

[barbos]

I see, it's not really students, it's their union and specifically black student representative.

 

[bilby]

http://ukmediawatch.org/2015/06/03/...passed-motion-boycotting-israel-beyondparody/


And people say there isn't an antisemitism problem over there???

The NUS is, and has always been, a bunch of political wanabees who never let the fact that they have no influence over anything not directly related to students, get in the way of making grand pronouncements on international affairs. NUS branch leaders tend to be Stalinist/Marxist/Leninists who go on to be highly embarrassed about their past political positions, and greatly relieved that they were completely ineffectual, so nobody noticed or cared.

One or two remain both Stalinist and marginalised for their entire lives.

Nobody takes the NUS seriously, except on the very rare occasions when they talk about things that actually affect British students - an area of interest where (unlike most of the topics on which they pontificate) they have at least some real-world experience, and as a result don't come across as quite such total tits.

To get a feeling for the deep respect the NUS has in the UK, consider that Rik from The Young Ones is not so much a caricature, as a pretty accurate depiction of the type.

 

[whichphilosophy]

http://ukmediawatch.org/2015/06/03/...passed-motion-boycotting-israel-beyondparody/


And people say there isn't an antisemitism problem over there???

I guess we shouldn't condemn the holocaust as this might fuel anti German feelings.
You have illustrated a problem of asininity and bigotry.

https://whyevolutionistrue.wordpres...al-union-of-students-votes-to-boycott-israel/

Here is one quote.
If anyone can fathom out any logic in this statement they are welcome to post

But the motion offended Black Students Officer Malia Bouattia, who said: “We recognise that condemnation of ISIS appears to have become a justification for war and blatant Islamaphobia.

Considering that ISIS is condemned by many Muslims. Your favourite group HAMAS has condemned ISIS
http://www.jpost.com/Breaking-News/...-with-beheading-of-Egyptian-Christians-391197


Hamas on Monday condemned the Islamic State group for its "ugly crime" in the recent beheading of 21 Egyptian Christians in Libya.

A day after the terror group formerly know as ISIS released a gruesome video depicting the killings of a group of Egyptian Copts, Palestinian news agency Ma'an cited Hamas as denouncing the murders, which the group said threaten to ruin relations between Arabs and Christians in the Middle East.

The Palestinian Islamist group as saying it "condemns this ugly crime and this shameful approach to the distortion of the image of Islam by violating its principles

 

[untermensche]

Being anti-Israel has nothing to do with antisemitism.

Any nation behaving as Israel does deserves great condemnation.

The continual denial of rights and theft and violent brutality ARE no better than ISIS.

It is no better to blow somebody up than to slit their throat.

 

[Tom Sawyer]

But Israel has nukes, so these kids should learn to keep their opinions to themselves.

 

[whichphilosophy]

http://ukmediawatch.org/2015/06/03/...passed-motion-boycotting-israel-beyondparody/


And people say there isn't an antisemitism problem over there???

The NUS is, and has always been, a bunch of political wanabees who never let the fact that they have no influence over anything not directly related to students, get in the way of making grand pronouncements on international affairs. NUS branch leaders tend to be Stalinist/Marxist/Leninists who go on to be highly embarrassed about their past political positions, and greatly relieved that they were completely ineffectual, so nobody noticed or cared.

One or two remain both Stalinist and marginalised for their entire lives.

Nobody takes the NUS seriously, except on the very rare occasions when they talk about things that actually affect British students - an area of interest where (unlike most of the topics on which they pontificate) they have at least some real-world experience, and as a result don't come across as quite such total tits.

To get a feeling for the deep respect the NUS has in the UK, consider that Rik from The Young Ones is not so much a caricature, as a pretty accurate depiction of the type.

Nonetheless the students get what they voted for or what they abstained from voting for or against.

 

[EricK]

Being anti-Israel has nothing to do with antisemitism.

Any nation behaving as Israel does deserves great condemnation.

The continual denial of rights and theft and violent brutality ARE no better than ISIS.

It is no better to blow somebody up than to slit their throat.

Condemnation of Israel is indeed not necessarily anti-semitic. But it is the condemantion of Israel in conjunction with a refusal to condemn a group which is at least as bad which is suggestive of bias of some sort.

 

[whichphilosophy]

http://ukmediawatch.org/2015/06/03/...passed-motion-boycotting-israel-beyondparody/

And people say there isn't an antisemitism problem over there???

Who the fuck said that?

I think we need a subforum called "soap box" so that the few users here with their soapbox issues can repeatedly post the same stuff over and over and over again, without littering the PD forum.

Any single article can be repeated even up to a few dozen or hundreds of times. It's unavoidable it's called internet.

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Being anti-Israel has nothing to do with antisemitism.

Any nation behaving as Israel does deserves great condemnation.

The continual denial of rights and theft and violent brutality ARE no better than ISIS.

It is no better to blow somebody up than to slit their throat.

The point is condemning one but not the other.

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But Israel has nukes, so these kids should learn to keep their opinions to themselves.

Of course Israel won't be firing them at London to take out the NUS leaders.

 

[Tom Sawyer]

But Israel has nukes, so these kids should learn to keep their opinions to themselves.

Of course Israel won't be firing them at London to take out the NUS leaders.

But they have been known to send the Mossad to assassinate people, so criticizing Israel is pretty much like shouting fire in a crowded theatre and the victims are responsible for the violence.

 

[whichphilosophy]

Of course Israel won't be firing them at London to take out the NUS leaders.

But they have been known to send the Mossad to assassinate people, so criticizing Israel is pretty much like shouting fire in a crowded theatre and the victims are responsible for the violence.

That's cheaper than nukes and blowing up hotels.

 

[Togo]

Here is one quote.
If anyone can fathom out any logic in this statement they are welcome to post

But the motion offended Black Students Officer Malia Bouattia, who said: “We recognise that condemnation of ISIS appears to have become a justification for war and blatant Islamaphobia.

Seems fairly straightforward. They want to condemn Israel to make it clear to Israel that their behaviour is losing them public support in an officially friendly country. Condemnation of Israel is normal (in student politics) and fairly straightforward, there's a wealth of information available and people know what they're voting about.

ISIS on the other hand, is less well known. There's no obvious handle that the UK has on ISIS, and it's not clear what political pressure, if any, a vote against ISIS would actually bring to the organisation itself. What is might do, however, is give cover to other political groups with no particular relationship or involvement with ISIS, but who want to use condemnation of a radical Muslim group abroad to justify military action in other countries, or bigotry at home. As such a vote against ISIS may have political consequences that are deeply undesirable.

Seems fairly straightforward for me. It's not a show of support for ISIS, any more than protesters against the Iraq war were supporters of Saddam Hussein.

 

[Nice Squirrel]

We need to bomb Britain!

 

[laughing dog]

Seems fairly straightforward for me. It's not a show of support for ISIS, any more than protesters against the Iraq war were supporters of Saddam Hussein.

Oh no, both groups are self-hating Western antisemtic leftist appeasers of Islamofascists.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Being anti-Israel has nothing to do with antisemitism.

Any nation behaving as Israel does deserves great condemnation.

The continual denial of rights and theft and violent brutality ARE no better than ISIS.

It is no better to blow somebody up than to slit their throat.

Condemnation of Israel is indeed not necessarily anti-semitic. But it is the condemantion of Israel in conjunction with a refusal to condemn a group which is at least as bad which is suggestive of bias of some sort.

Exactly. Either event by itself doesn't show much. Together, though...

 

[GenesisNemesis]

Who the fuck said that?

To be fair, I've seen some people say it, but I can't provide evidence. People have said much crazier things.

 

[whichphilosophy]

Here is one quote.
If anyone can fathom out any logic in this statement they are welcome to post

But the motion offended Black Students Officer Malia Bouattia, who said: “We recognise that condemnation of ISIS appears to have become a justification for war and blatant Islamaphobia.

Seems fairly straightforward. They want to condemn Israel to make it clear to Israel that their behaviour is losing them public support in an officially friendly country. Condemnation of Israel is normal (in student politics) and fairly straightforward, there's a wealth of information available and people know what they're voting about.

ISIS on the other hand, is less well known. There's no obvious handle that the UK has on ISIS, and it's not clear what political pressure, if any, a vote against ISIS would actually bring to the organisation itself. What is might do, however, is give cover to other political groups with no particular relationship or involvement with ISIS, but who want to use condemnation of a radical Muslim group abroad to justify military action in other countries, or bigotry at home. As such a vote against ISIS may have political consequences that are deeply undesirable.

Seems fairly straightforward for me. It's not a show of support for ISIS, any more than protesters against the Iraq war were supporters of Saddam Hussein.

ISIS has received so much publicity it's virtually a house hold word. ISIS boasts about its atrocity and needs no media spin. There is nothing difficult in a common sense proposition to condemn their barbarism. Are you saying stay silent on ISIS or there will be undesirable consequences?

 

[TSwizzle]

Seems fairly straightforward. They want to condemn Israel to make it clear to Israel that their behaviour is losing them public support in an officially friendly country. Condemnation of Israel is normal (in student politics) and fairly straightforward, there's a wealth of information available and people know what they're voting about.

ISIS on the other hand, is less well known. There's no obvious handle that the UK has on ISIS, and it's not clear what political pressure, if any, a vote against ISIS would actually bring to the organisation itself. What is might do, however, is give cover to other political groups with no particular relationship or involvement with ISIS, but who want to use condemnation of a radical Muslim group abroad to justify military action in other countries, or bigotry at home. As such a vote against ISIS may have political consequences that are deeply undesirable.

Seems fairly straightforward for me. It's not a show of support for ISIS, any more than protesters against the Iraq war were supporters of Saddam Hussein.

This is Monty Pythonesque bollocks.