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Busniesses should pay for higher education
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Sounds good. Especially if it's done by increasing taxes and using that money to better fund higher education. Also, maybe try and go a year without bombing anyone and invest that cash you saved in your society.
Sajara
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This might work if it was done as an after the fact thing. I.E. when you were hired, they would start paying your student loans off.
I thought education was a "public good", bestowing wonderful benefits to all of us in society.
Since it isn't now, we can all agree to have government stop paying for it and let businesses pay for what they will.
It was. However "the public" through its various legislatures has decided it doesn't want to support it anymore.
Nah, use all those IRS guns to force businesses to pay. Might as well use them for something.
Why?
I mean, I know you like gratuitous soviet-style displays of force and all, but that aside why force businesses to pay?
At the very least, the NFL should underwrite college football programs.
"They should pay" and "Let's point guns at them and force them to pay" are two different things.
If your argument is "they should pay because they reap the benefits" then there is no reason to force them pay. They either pay and reap the benefits, or don't pay and don't reap the benefits. Not our problem.
untermensche
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The problem is, and I agree that many corporations are engaging in tax theft, with the present government, you give it more you don't necessarily get more education. You most likely get more military intervention overseas.
The system needs to be changed.
Representatives are supposed to represent the people in their districts to the greatest degree possible.
Right now many represent corporations.
The system needs to be changed.
Representatives are supposed to represent the people in their districts to the greatest degree possible.
Right now many represent corporations.
Businesses don't require college degrees for jobs when there are enough undegreed applicants to fill the open positions.
The problem we face today with paying for higher education is that we pay for a misplaced education. There simply is not a need for the huge number of Liberal Arts graduates as we produce. There was a time when a person who went to a university was not looking for a ticket to his future. Colleges were created to educate clergymen. They had to learn Latin and Greek and how to recognise Lucifer, when he appeared. All critical stuff. Soon, room was made in the classrooms for the sons of rich people. They weren't going to be priests. They just needed enough education to not be ignorant savages.
Today, we let people choose their course of education with little thought of its utility. How many English majors do we need? How many will actually get a job and use the unique qualities of a BA in English Lit?
The real question is not who will pay for higher education, but why are we paying for something we don't need?
That's not my argument.
Read the OP again.
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I suspect you haven't checked out the help wanted ads recently.
Nothing you have said amounts to a coherent argument that businesses should be forced to pay for college.
Nothing is even close.
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This is predicated on the belief that the IRS has enough guns to make for a Soviet style display of force. Such a belief is nothing short of ridiculous, but by all means carry on with the comedy routine. Now, if I could only figure out which of the ksen & dismal team is playing it straight.
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ksen, why businesses should pay for college, unless they are the their requirement for degreed employees is the sole reason for anyone to get a college education?
IF that isn't the sole reason, then they should be the one's paying. If it is the sole reason, then that argues for total elimination of all public support for college education, since it has no value to anyone but the arbitrary requirements set by employers.
I think that is the point dismal was trying to make.
Regardless, its a terrible idea because the assumption that there are no other benefits of college is wrong. IF the assumption were valid, then business should pay AND should dictate curriculum and available majors, and hiring, etc.. IOW, there should be no University as we know it, only employee training facilities.
I doubt that is what you want, but it is what follows from your argument that companies should pay, which only makes sense if their is no other societal reason for college.
IF that isn't the sole reason, then they should be the one's paying. If it is the sole reason, then that argues for total elimination of all public support for college education, since it has no value to anyone but the arbitrary requirements set by employers.
I think that is the point dismal was trying to make.
Regardless, its a terrible idea because the assumption that there are no other benefits of college is wrong. IF the assumption were valid, then business should pay AND should dictate curriculum and available majors, and hiring, etc.. IOW, there should be no University as we know it, only employee training facilities.
I doubt that is what you want, but it is what follows from your argument that companies should pay, which only makes sense if their is no other societal reason for college.
Well, I agree ksen's coherence is well represented by that blue line at the bottom.
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I've spent more time hiring, than looking for a job. "To fill" a position means the person is capable of doing the job. If there are enough qualified people who haven't been to college, why minimize the available pool of applicants?
In the days before my Republican Governor decided to find out if one person could do the work of three, a lot of people wanted a Bachelor of Anything degree only because this qualified them for a large number of Civil Service positions. This led to things such as a Human Resources Specialist(whatever that is) whose degree is in horticulture. History and Journalism were popular majors because they had the lightest math requirements.
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