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California May Have a Random Celebrity Republican as Governor Soon

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Yup, same is true of Oregon, hence why they have to awkwardly elbow out Eugene even though Lane County is obviously a part of the same general geographic region as its Jeffersonian neighbors. Maps of Jefferson are always dubious... it's painfully obvious what they're trying to do.
 

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Whew! 2021 California Recall Election Results - The New York Times

Every county is now at >95%
Though all the four remaining ones got designated at that without any changes in their vote counts.

Recall Gov. Newsom?
No: 7,944,092 - 61.9%
Yes: 4,894,473 - 38.1%
Total reported: 12,838,565

The "No" counties are mostly Left Coast and El Norte, while the "Yes" counties are mostly Far West.

Jefferson (N CA, S OR), Greater Idaho (ID, E OR), and Liberty (E WA) are also all Far West.
 

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The "No" counties are mostly Left Coast and El Norte, while the "Yes" counties are mostly Far West.

If anyone finds this confusing, be aware that Ipetrich is using a particular jargon in which "Far West" includes the Eastern (but not the Western) portion of California.
 

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The "No" counties are mostly Left Coast and El Norte, while the "Yes" counties are mostly Far West.
If anyone finds this confusing, be aware that Ipetrich is using a particular jargon in which "Far West" includes the Eastern (but not the Western) portion of California.
Yes, from Colin Woodard's American Nations. The Far West extends into eastern California, Oregon, Washington, and British Columbia.
 

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What Happened? In its recent recall election, Republicans underestimated how much California has turned into a one-party state | USAPP
The last time a Republican occupied the governor’s office in California, it began with a recall election of the incumbent Democrat Gray Davis in 2003. Having failed to win the governorship in the most populous state through regular elections since then, Republicans surmised that the current political environment and the composition of voters in a special election would tilt the outcome in their favor. While polling showed a glimmer of hope for support of the recall, indicating Republicans might have their shot at picking a successor, Democrats and their allies rallied behind incumbent Governor Gavin Newsom to ultimately crush Republican hopes for redemption in California.
The California Republican Party painted a target on its back by lining up behind Larry Elder.
Bombarding the airwaves and internet, Newsom and company effectively nationalized the election, pitching an Elder administration as Trump’s second term confined just to California. Mask and vaccine mandates would be eliminated and send the state into another COVID-19 surge akin to Florida and Texas.

Republicans did get one thing right about the recall election. It did hinge on the state’s restrictive COVID-19 policies, but not in the way they anticipated. In perhaps another signal of the echo chambers that American political parties operate under, Republicans assumed that enough Californians were frustrated with the state lockdowns and Newsom’s liberal ways to push him out of office. However, exit polls revealed that only 28 percent of recall voters thought Newsom’s COVID-19 policies were too strict. That percentage is nearly the same as the percentage (27) of recall voters that were Republicans.
Seems like they were watching too much Fox News.

Since turnouts are relatively low in elections away from Presidential elections, the Republicans expected good results for them. But the actual numbers were Democrats 47% of registered voters and 51% of votes and Republicans 24% of registered voters and 27% of votes. So the Democrats had very good turnout.

Also, less than 60% of voters voted for an alternative for Gov. Newsom.

Election Night Results | 2021 Gubernatorial Recall Election | California Secretary of State - the officially-certified numbers should be ready by Oct. 22.
 

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They're surprised they turned us into a one-party state? By making an openly anti-California rhetoric integral to their public aesthetics nationwide? Well, I always thought they were idiots.
 

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After the Democrats' defeat in Virginia and squeaker victory in New Jersey, one has to ask why California bucked that trend and rejected the recall of Gov. Newsom by a higher margin than expected. I decided to compare his recall numbers to his election numbers: Gavin Newsom - Ballotpedia

GN won the recall by 61.9 - 38.1 %

He won the 2018 election by 61.9 - 38.1 % -- the same fractions even though not the same absolute numbers
 

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Pros and cons for everybody. If they don’t like it they can move. Or they can elect new politicians.

Let me give you a personal glimpse.

I'm a gay atheist living in semi-rural Trumpistan Indiana. My family and roots are here. I can't just move. The costs would be huge. I'm not talking about the money, I'm talking about everything!

Nor can I just "vote someone else" in. Trump swept every district in this state in 2016 in the Republican primaries. Trumpistas are legion around here. It's a "low vaccination rate" area of a "low vaccination rate" state.


I'm stuck with America. I'm not as portable as many Americans are. So don't say "Well, you could just move". "You're free".
No I'm not!
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You yourself just said the costs would be huge. Which means you are free to choose something else but don’t want to pay the costs. You’ve weighed the pros and cons of your situation and chosen to stay.

In California people are also weighing their pros and cons. I have lived in multiple places all around the country, ranging from Baltimore to Wisconsin to the Bay Area. Cost of living is incredibly high out here, yes, but in many ways I am getting things for this cost.

Everybody is going to whinge about where they are for one reason or another. Certain posters seem to be making it out like this is unique to California. Some people may be moving to Florida or Texas from California. that will improve their lives in some ways and likely be worse in others. I, personally, would never move to either of those states given my desires and situation even if it improved the cost of living. RVonse is making it out to be a choice between conservatism and low cost of living or liberalism and high cost of living. Even granting that to be true I know my choice.
I might ask myself, if more liberal places have higher costs of living, and supply and demand mean that those places with high demand will see shrinking supply which increases costs, then the resulting logic of basic economics in the most trivial application of it seems to indicate that the real reason this is the choice is that IT SUCKS to live in QOP america, and it sucks less to not.
 

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Shaming your foes for a high cost of living is such a weird strategy. You're basically going "oh yeeah, well their way of life is successful and prosperous, who would want that?" And the red states wonder why all their kids move away to CA and NY the second they get a college degree or master a skilled trade. Some of us actually like living in nice places tyvm.
 

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Shaming your foes for a high cost of living is such a weird strategy. You're basically going "oh yeeah, well their way of life is successful and prosperous, who would want that?" And the red states wonder why all their kids move away to CA and NY the second they get a college degree or master a skilled trade. Some of us actually like living in nice places tyvm.
It's strange. There is a massive dearth in young people willing to turn a physical tool.

The electrician union is paying people 25/hr to go to school. My friend down the road whose father is a skilled and experienced plumber charges $200/hr, still has too many calls to service, and has not gotten any challenge on his prices for years. They just smile and nod and fork it over.

This wouldn't be happening if rural areas could possibly be something that young people could have interest in staying around. But until it's possible for a small rural town built around 3 churches to be any thing but 3 different semi-social cult groups full of easily spotted lies competing over which farmers they are suckering into "donations" and attacking anyone who falls outside of that ecosystem of cult ownership, it will be impossible for such children to be retained in the communities they would otherwise grow and learn trades in
 

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Colleges in general are often viciously attacked in the press for "forcing" young people to get advanced degrees when "you can make perfectly good money" doing other skilled trades, but I don't see a corresponding boom in young people actually pursuing those trades... not in urban or rural contexts.
 

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Colleges in general are often viciously attacked in the press for "forcing" young people to get advanced degrees when "you can make perfectly good money" doing other skilled trades, but I don't see a corresponding boom in young people actually pursuing those trades... not in urban or rural contexts.
All I can tell you is why I didn't: the problems in pluming are all solved. It is "learn this rote of skills and then do them the same way forever".

I got an advanced degree mostly because I wanted to make work out of understanding new things rather than just doing the same thing. I don't like having to negotiate or leverage people either.

And, you can't make a name for yourself as a plumber unless that name is Mario, or unless you're willing to build a pyramid.

Much of the same problems exist for being an "electrician". There is no money nor even desire for someone who "figures out new things". Building code means for a fact that you CANNOT do "new things".
 

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And the red states wonder why all their kids move away to CA and NY the second they get a college degree or master a skilled trade. Some of us actually like living in nice places tyvm.
Both CA and NY lost a Congressional seat, which means they lost population relative to the rest of the country.
As to "nice places"? CA has climate going for it, but governance is absolute shit. Literally in the case of the homeless shitting all over San Francisco.
 
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