California May Have a Random Celebrity Republican as Governor Soon

TSwizzle

Let's Go Brandon!
I'm sure this is a grand Democratic conspiracy to suppress all those juicy Republican votes Lawndale/Compton is so well known for, as opposed to the seemingly way more obvious answer that this is just some dude who steals mail to pay for drugs.

He’s paying for drugs with Newsom recall ballots? Why, who’d want the ballots in exchange for drugs? We’ve got a mystery to solve.

This sounds like job for Mystery Inc.

Newsom and the Dems are crapping their pants.

Trausti

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This guy is such a schmuck. Why would anyone vote to keep him?

Politesse

Lux Aeterna
You know, we've got a second Andrew Jackson on our hands; some of that Whig energy might not go amiss right now. The National Bank, federal protection of critical infrastructure, Congressional control over new lawmaking... there are some ideas that shouldn't have been allowed to die with them.

I'm not talking history either. What I wrote describes current events.

If we weren't talking about this particular governor's race, and I describe these two candidates, which do you think is the Democrat?
* A poor black kid from the inner city, goes to mediocre inner city schools, works hard, goes to college, becomes a lawyer at a prestigious law firm. He then moved on to social commentary.
* A rich white kid who went to elite private schools because his dad is a lawyer that represents oil companies. He used his business contacts to start his own business before going into politics.

Could easily be either. I don't know why anyone would think otherwise, aside from the relative rarity of Black Republican politicians in the post-Obama period.

If Elder does win this race, I will be happy that my actually-way-more-racist-than-most-people-realize home state has finally broken the ceiling that has kept the Governor's mansion White until now. But that doesn't mean I'm going to be happy that it's Elder, or that I support anything he's proposed so far politically. This bullshit about any criticism of Elder being racist is a real fat load, and no one is buying it.

Swammerdami

Staff member
He’s paying for drugs with Newsom recall ballots? Why, who’d want the ballots in exchange for drugs? We’ve got a mystery to solve.

How secure are such ballots? Will the signatures be checked to find this fraud?

Assuming that these ballots really are the thieves' target, it's safe to conclude they're just doing it for money. But who's providing the money? Based on which party has been most intent on cheating in recent years, it's pretty clear how the smart money would bet.

Politesse

Lux Aeterna
There's no "thieves". It's just a the one guy, in a car, with a bunch of obviously stolen mail.

Loren Pechtel

Super Moderator
Staff member
He’s paying for drugs with Newsom recall ballots? Why, who’d want the ballots in exchange for drugs? We’ve got a mystery to solve.

How secure are such ballots? Will the signatures be checked to find this fraud?

Assuming that these ballots really are the thieves' target, it's safe to conclude they're just doing it for money. But who's providing the money? Based on which party has been most intent on cheating in recent years, it's pretty clear how the smart money would bet.

There's no reason to think the ballots are anything but bycatch.

Jason Harvestdancer

Contributor
One thing we know absolutely for sure is that this one guy was a singular incident and not indicative of any trends or plots of any sort by any politician or political party. Absolutely not, that's conspiracy theory territory.

Politesse

Lux Aeterna
One thing we know absolutely for sure is that this one guy was a singular incident and not indicative of any trends or plots of any sort by any politician or political party. Absolutely not, that's conspiracy theory territory.

Too bad there's a political party in the United States whose policies and actions are very frequently based on conspiracy theories of various sorts. Are you forgetting what got the Trump train out of the station to begin with?

If this recall fails, Trump will be telling all his followers that this was solely because Newsom used his sinister deep-state powers to destroy "hundreds of thousands" of pro-recall votes, and they will believe him with their whole hearts.

Lumpenproletariat

Veteran Member
What we really need is a candidate who would pledge to step aside and have a committee do the executive functions, and the members of the committee would be chosen by lot.

Why? Isn’t “design by committee” the proverbial worst approach to decision making?

No. There's only one argument against committees making decisions.

And that's the cliché: A camel is a horse designed by a committee. (or proverb)

And except for that, no one has ever given an argument why a committee wouldn't do a better job of decision-making than a "president" or "CEO" or "governor" etc.

E.g., just look at Trump and Biden. How could a committee do worse?

SimpleDon

Veteran Member
Thomas Sowell: “I cannot understand people who say that minorities should be represented everywhere and yet are upset when there are blacks represented in the conservative movement.”

No one is complaining that they identify as black. The problem is that conservatism is a broken and dangerous ideology regardless of who is promoting it.

Dude, the left promotes diversity as the panacea for all social ills; but only if that non-White person espouses the leftist diktat.

Diversity isn't a leftist diktat nor liberal policy, it is a fact. Where the right and the left differ is the left accepts the fact that we have to work with diversity and the right ignores the fact and says that we can go back to the way things used to be, i.e. with white males still running the country. The exact same problem we have, facts versus fantasies, with many life and death problems like COVID-19 and climate change.

Thus you expose the limitations of your political philosophy and the reason that you seem to be so confused and out of touch with reality.

Most of the blacks that I know are socially and politically conservative. The only reason that they vote consistently democratic is that the Republicans have based most of their political philosophy on fear-mongering white males that the economy is a zero-sum game and blacks are going to take their jobs and marry their children. And that the government should game the economy to direct as much income to the already rich as possible primarily by suppressing the wages of the 99% which increases profits.

Jason Harvestdancer

Contributor
One thing we know absolutely for sure is that this one guy was a singular incident and not indicative of any trends or plots of any sort by any politician or political party. Absolutely not, that's conspiracy theory territory.

Too bad there's a political party in the United States whose policies and actions are very frequently based on conspiracy theories of various sorts. Are you forgetting what got the Trump train out of the station to begin with?

If this recall fails, Trump will be telling all his followers that this was solely because Newsom used his sinister deep-state powers to destroy "hundreds of thousands" of pro-recall votes, and they will believe him with their whole hearts.

Exactly. This absolutely cannot be a conspiracy because only Republicans do conspiracies. This guy was just a single rouge actor, nothing more.

Politesse

Lux Aeterna
One thing we know absolutely for sure is that this one guy was a singular incident and not indicative of any trends or plots of any sort by any politician or political party. Absolutely not, that's conspiracy theory territory.

Too bad there's a political party in the United States whose policies and actions are very frequently based on conspiracy theories of various sorts. Are you forgetting what got the Trump train out of the station to begin with?

If this recall fails, Trump will be telling all his followers that this was solely because Newsom used his sinister deep-state powers to destroy "hundreds of thousands" of pro-recall votes, and they will believe him with their whole hearts.

Exactly. This absolutely cannot be a conspiracy because only Republicans do conspiracies. This guy was just a single rouge actor, nothing more.

What conspiracies?

Only Republicans are stupid enough to fall for attention-grabbing headlines like this one.

Politesse

Lux Aeterna
Starting to see some less-bad news over the last 48 hours, with a few polls indicating that more Democrats are aware of and planning to participate in the vote:

Newsom has strong support in latest California recall survey

Latest Polls Of The California Recall Election

I voted this morning, for what that's worth. I had considered for security reasons waiting and handing it in at the polling place on the day, but decided I trust the post office to deliver mail more than I trust a bunch of Republican voters not to be super-spreading the 'Rona at our polling place.

I don't agree with the logic of leaving side 2 blank, so I held my nose and gave my vote to that shitless weasel-muncher Paffrath. Man, California never comes out looking good from these clown car affairs.

Swammerdami

Staff member
This guy is such a schmuck. Why would anyone vote to keep him?
This post contined a link to an old interview. And the very next post linked to a YouTube from 2013?

Google a GOP star and there's no need to cherry-pick. Close your eyes and click at random and almost any GOP star will show up far worse than Newsom.

And, if you're so anxious to get rid of Newsom, who should replace him? The main choices seem to be Larry Elder (talk show ranter) and Kevin Paffrath (professional YouTuber). Which do you advise for Californians who want to get rid of the "schmuck"?

TSwizzle

Let's Go Brandon!
Yet another reason to recall the incompetent boob Newsom.

California and Los Angeles County have agreed to pay a church that repeatedly defied Governor Gavin Newsom's public health restrictions amid the COVID-19 pandemic $800,000 in a legal settlement. The Los Angeles County Board of Supervisors voted in favor of the settlement on Tuesday. The county and the state will each pay$400,000 to Sun Valley's Grace Community Church to settle a prolonged legal battle that began when the church refused to follow Newsom's COVID-19 restrictions last year. The church was sued by the county for not following restrictions including a since-rescinded ban on indoor worship, while the church also sued the county and the state over the restrictions. County officials said that Tuesday's settlement was "responsible and appropriate" in light of a February Supreme Court ruling that found California could not enforce many of its pandemic restrictions on churches.

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Elixir

This guy was just a single rouge actor

... not that there's anything wrong with that of course.

Politesse

Lux Aeterna
Yet another reason to recall the incompetent boob Newsom.

California and Los Angeles County have agreed to pay a church that repeatedly defied Governor Gavin Newsom's public health restrictions amid the COVID-19 pandemic $800,000 in a legal settlement. The Los Angeles County Board of Supervisors voted in favor of the settlement on Tuesday. The county and the state will each pay$400,000 to Sun Valley's Grace Community Church to settle a prolonged legal battle that began when the church refused to follow Newsom's COVID-19 restrictions last year. The church was sued by the county for not following restrictions including a since-rescinded ban on indoor worship, while the church also sued the county and the state over the restrictions. County officials said that Tuesday's settlement was "responsible and appropriate" in light of a February Supreme Court ruling that found California could not enforce many of its pandemic restrictions on churches.

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So we need to recall any governor who upsets an affluent megachurch? Can I hold you to that?

TSwizzle

Let's Go Brandon!
Yet another reason to recall the incompetent boob Newsom.

California and Los Angeles County have agreed to pay a church that repeatedly defied Governor Gavin Newsom's public health restrictions amid the COVID-19 pandemic $800,000 in a legal settlement. The Los Angeles County Board of Supervisors voted in favor of the settlement on Tuesday. The county and the state will each pay$400,000 to Sun Valley's Grace Community Church to settle a prolonged legal battle that began when the church refused to follow Newsom's COVID-19 restrictions last year. The church was sued by the county for not following restrictions including a since-rescinded ban on indoor worship, while the church also sued the county and the state over the restrictions. County officials said that Tuesday's settlement was "responsible and appropriate" in light of a February Supreme Court ruling that found California could not enforce many of its pandemic restrictions on churches.

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So we need to recall any governor who upsets an affluent megachurch? Can I hold you to that?

By "upset" do you mean trample on constitutional rights ?

And then squander millions of dollars of tax payers money chasing a lost cause.

The recall is not about "upsetting" one particular group either. This incident is just another example of his arrogance.

Politesse

Lux Aeterna
And then squander millions of dollars of tax payers money chasing a lost cause.
Like straight up wasting 276 million taxpayer dollars because you think your elected leader is "arrogant" and can't wait a year and a half to vote him out democratically?

TSwizzle

Let's Go Brandon!
By "upset" do you mean trample on constitutional rights ?

And then squander millions of dollars of tax payers money chasing a lost cause.

The recall is not about "upsetting" one particular group either. This incident is just another example of his arrogance.
Like straight up wasting 276 million taxpayer dollars because you think your elected leader is "arrogant" and can't wait a year and a half to vote him out democratically?

If the recall is successful then it is a small price to pay to get rid of a governor who is not only arrogant but grossly incompetent.

blastula

Contributor
This is such a stupid recall, and California's process makes it much stupider. The double vote thing is so antidemocratic. Should just make the lt gov the replacement if a recall passes, or hold a separate election for that choice.

Democrats should have changed the recall law after the last time. Need to change the proposition law too.

TomC

Celestial Highness
By "upset" do you mean trample on constitutional rights ?

And then squander millions of dollars of tax payers money chasing a lost cause.

The recall is not about "upsetting" one particular group either. This incident is just another example of his arrogance.
Like straight up wasting 276 million taxpayer dollars because you think your elected leader is "arrogant" and can't wait a year and a half to vote him out democratically?

If the recall is successful then it is a small price to pay to get rid of a governor who is not only arrogant but grossly incompetent.

And replace him with a radio show host?
Tom

Jarhyn

Wizard
If the recall is successful then it is a small price to pay to get rid of a governor who is not only arrogant but grossly incompetent.

And replace him with a radio show host?
Tom

Recall to save us from semi-competent government via replacing it with completely incompetent government...

Trausti

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If the recall is successful then it is a small price to pay to get rid of a governor who is not only arrogant but grossly incompetent.

And replace him with a radio show host?
Tom

Recall to save us from semi-competent government via replacing it with completely incompetent government...

Any government that tolerates shit in the streets as okay is not competent.

Politesse

Lux Aeterna
If the recall is successful then it is a small price to pay to get rid of a governor who is not only arrogant but grossly incompetent.

And replace him with a radio show host?
Tom

How else can they do it? They know perfectly well that their joke candidates will never win a free and fair majority vote in a well-educated and affluent state like California. The only way they can possibly win is to exploit a legal loophole that allows a replacement candidate to occupy the governor's mansion with only 20% of voters supporting him, provided people are significantly unhappy with the person who is currently there.

I'm really hoping this system is on borrowed time; as blastula rightly suggests above, it would be much more democratic in a recall situation to simply pass leadership on to the lieutenant governor (in our state, an elected position separate from that of the governor), just the same as if the governor got sick, went missing, robbed a train, etc. I guarantee you we would not be having this recall election right now if Republicans didn't think they could use the procedural follies of the current system to sneak a Trumpist into office against the will of the Californian electorate. Their arguments against Newsom, supposedly so strong and deeply held, would vanish like dust in the wind if they knew that the only likely alternative was a competent Democrat and a woman to boot.

Swammerdami

Staff member
How else can they do it? They know perfectly well that their joke candidates will never win a free and fair majority vote in a well-educated and affluent state like California. The only way they can possibly win is to exploit a legal loophole that allows a replacement candidate to occupy the governor's mansion with only 20% of voters supporting him, provided people are significantly unhappy with the person who is currently there.

I'm really hoping this system is on borrowed time; as blastula rightly suggests above, it would be much more democratic in a recall situation to simply pass leadership on to the lieutenant governor (in our state, an elected position separate from that of the governor), just the same as if the governor got sick, went missing, robbed a train, etc. I guarantee you we would not be having this recall election right now if Republicans didn't think they could use the procedural follies of the current system to sneak a Trumpist into office against the will of the Californian electorate. Their arguments against Newsom, supposedly so strong and deeply held, would vanish like dust in the wind if they knew that the only likely alternative was a competent Democrat and a woman to boot.

Is it even possible to change the procedure without constitutional amendment or referendum? California's right-wingers have hamstrung the state government with a variety of stupidities that need super-majorities to overturn.

And by the way, while Larry Elder may become Governor with just 19% of the vote, it is theoretically possible for the "winner" to get just 2% (with 50+ names on the ballot, as it is) and defeat an incumbent who gets 49%.

Last time California went through this idiocy, Shwarzenegger got more votes than incumbent Davis, IIRC. Americans lack imagination: since that election result seemed rational, the inherent problem disappeared from view.

Politesse

Lux Aeterna
How else can they do it? They know perfectly well that their joke candidates will never win a free and fair majority vote in a well-educated and affluent state like California. The only way they can possibly win is to exploit a legal loophole that allows a replacement candidate to occupy the governor's mansion with only 20% of voters supporting him, provided people are significantly unhappy with the person who is currently there.

I'm really hoping this system is on borrowed time; as blastula rightly suggests above, it would be much more democratic in a recall situation to simply pass leadership on to the lieutenant governor (in our state, an elected position separate from that of the governor), just the same as if the governor got sick, went missing, robbed a train, etc. I guarantee you we would not be having this recall election right now if Republicans didn't think they could use the procedural follies of the current system to sneak a Trumpist into office against the will of the Californian electorate. Their arguments against Newsom, supposedly so strong and deeply held, would vanish like dust in the wind if they knew that the only likely alternative was a competent Democrat and a woman to boot.

Is it even possible to change the procedure without constitutional amendment or referendum? California's right-wingers have hamstrung the state government with a variety of stupidities that need super-majorities to overturn.

And by the way, while Larry Elder may become Governor with just 19% of the vote, it is theoretically possible for the "winner" to get just 2% (with 50+ names on the ballot, as it is) and defeat an incumbent who gets 49%.

Last time California went through this idiocy, Shwarzenegger got more votes than incumbent Davis, IIRC. Americans lack imagination: since that election result seemed rational, the inherent problem disappeared from view.

All of this is quite true (and unfortunate).

Jimmy Higgins

Contributor
Heard that Larry Elder got his start at WVIZ (PBS) in Cleveland a while ago. Thought that was interesting. Larry Elder sounds like a great professional complainer. He should do a pretty good job as Governor, having complained so much on the radio.

Loony Running The Asylum
Staff member
'Emergency Action Warranted' to Protect CA Recall After Vote System Software Leak, Experts Warn SoS

Open letter to CA's Sec. of State calls for 'urgent mitigating action' with an immediate mandate for statewide post-election Risk-Limiting Audits...

Eight of the nation's top cybersecurity and voting systems experts warned in a letter sent to California's Secretary of State on Thursday night that "emergency action is warranted" in response to a recent leak of key voting system software used in nearly 60% of state jurisdictions amid CA's ongoing Gubernatorial recall election.

The bluntly -- and urgently -- worded, 3-page letter [PDF] from the longtime experts in this field to CA Sec. of State Dr. Shirley Weber calls for a specific type of public, post-election audit as the "one critical action" that should be announced immediately, in response to software recently stolen from Mesa County, Colorado and Antrim County, Michigan. The software in question, Election Management System (EMS), was released over the Internet for broad download during a so-called "Cyber Symposium" run by Trump supporter, conspiracy theorist and pillow impresario, Mike Lindell three weeks ago. The EMS software, used in both CO and MI and many other states, including CA, is used to manage virtually every aspect of elections, from ballot creation to tabulation. Forty of California's 58 counties, according to AP's coverage of this matter tonight, use a version of the Dominion EMS that, according to the experts' letter, while "not identical" is virtually the same with only "relatively minor" differences.

"The release materially elevates threats to the trustworthiness of the ongoing California recall election and to public trust in the election," the experts inform Weber, as they urge her to, in advance of the election, mandate a robust statewide post-election audit in each county in the state.

Sounds like some more lawsuits are in order.

Patooka

Veteran Member
Recall to save us from semi-competent government via replacing it with completely incompetent government...

Any government that tolerates shit in the streets as okay is not competent.

Nobody else is going to touch this?

Jarhyn

Wizard
Recall to save us from semi-competent government via replacing it with completely incompetent government...

Any government that tolerates shit in the streets as okay is not competent.

Nobody else is going to touch this?

Well, I wasn't going to because they are muted for me, but now that I've seen it...

I expect that the ones being touted in the election are anti-mask and anti-vaxx.

Maybe if we are lucky they'll just get Covid, take some horse de-wormer, and it won't be our problem anymore.

Loony Running The Asylum
Staff member
Recall to save us from semi-competent government via replacing it with completely incompetent government...

Any government that tolerates shit in the streets as okay is not competent.

The governor is responsible for keeping the streets clean in individual cities?

Derec

Contributor
Well, I wasn't going to because they are muted for me, but now that I've seen it...
... you will change the subject.
I expect that the ones being touted in the election are anti-mask and anti-vaxx.
Maybe if we are lucky they'll just get Covid, take some horse de-wormer, and it won't be our problem anymore.

That's non-responsive to the legitimate issue of human excrement on the streets of San Francisco that Trausti brought up.

thebeave

Veteran Member
The governor is responsible for keeping the streets clean in individual cities?

Mapping San Francisco's Human Waste Challenge - 132,562 Cases Reported In The Public Way Since 2008

Who was mayor from 2004 to 2011?

I love this picture from the article:

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At the rate things are decaying here in California, this is what the state is destined to look like under the rule of the Prince of Poop, Gavin Newsom. He needs to go.

Note to self: only hike in the Presidio.

Politesse

Lux Aeterna
Now I must admit I am a little bit skeptical about the idea that the GOP is now the anti-shit party. I grew up in a staunchly Republican town. There was fucking cow shit everywhere, and if any of us kids complained about it, we were admonished to "grow up and get a job" before we tried to "put on airs" about it.

I am interested to learn what Elder's plan for eliminating shit from Californians might be, though. Where can I see an outline of his plan, and how much is it expected to cost? Is he emphasizing better access to public toilets? Offsetting the costs of internal plumbing and making it more available to low income homeowners and renters? Just pouring gobs of money into cleanup? What's the Republican proposal here?

Veteran Member
Now I must admit I am a little bit skeptical about the idea that the GOP is now the anti-shit party. I grew up in a staunchly Republican town. There was fucking cow shit everywhere, and if any of us kids complained about it, we were admonished to "grow up and get a job" before we tried to "put on airs" about it.

I am interested to learn what Elder's plan for eliminating shit from Californians might be, though. Where can I see an outline of his plan, and how much is it expected to cost? Is he emphasizing better access to public toilets? Offsetting the costs of internal plumbing and making it more available to low income homeowners and renters? Just pouring gobs of money into cleanup? What's the Republican proposal here?

Wait, are you saying this is a problem that the free market can’t fix?

Loony Running The Asylum
Staff member
Now I must admit I am a little bit skeptical about the idea that the GOP is now the anti-shit party. I grew up in a staunchly Republican town. There was fucking cow shit everywhere, and if any of us kids complained about it, we were admonished to "grow up and get a job" before we tried to "put on airs" about it.

I am interested to learn what Elder's plan for eliminating shit from Californians might be, though. Where can I see an outline of his plan, and how much is it expected to cost? Is he emphasizing better access to public toilets? Offsetting the costs of internal plumbing and making it more available to low income homeowners and renters? Just pouring gobs of money into cleanup? What's the Republican proposal here?

All around our city right now there are crews replacing water lines to homes that have lead pipes. Along with the crews and the diggers and the orange barrels are dozens of portable toilets for the use of those crews. Seems like a simple solution.

TomC

Celestial Highness
I am interested to learn what Elder's plan for eliminating shit from Californians might be, though. Where can I see an outline of his plan, and how much is it expected to cost? Is he emphasizing better access to public toilets? Offsetting the costs of internal plumbing and making it more available to low income homeowners and renters? Just pouring gobs of money into cleanup? What's the Republican proposal here?

Bingo! This^^^^

How is the new governor going to resolve this problem without raising taxes to pay for the fix?

I don't pretend to understand foreign countries like California.

But just saying "We'll cut unnecessary spending", isn't very clear. What current spending is unnecessary? $276,000,000 on a recall, perhaps? Tom Shadowy Man Veteran Member I am interested to learn what Elder's plan for eliminating shit from Californians might be, though. Where can I see an outline of his plan, and how much is it expected to cost? Is he emphasizing better access to public toilets? Offsetting the costs of internal plumbing and making it more available to low income homeowners and renters? Just pouring gobs of money into cleanup? What's the Republican proposal here? Bingo! This^^^^ How is the new governor going to resolve this problem without raising taxes to pay for the fix? I don't pretend to understand foreign countries like California. But just saying "We'll cut unnecessary spending", isn't very clear. What current spending is unnecessary?$276,000,000 on a recall, perhaps?
Tom

Based on what Elder has said, I would presume that any spending that supports schools with things like enforcing mask mandates, covid testing, etc. would be considered unnecessary spending.

TomC

Celestial Highness
I am interested to learn what Elder's plan for eliminating shit from Californians might be, though. Where can I see an outline of his plan, and how much is it expected to cost? Is he emphasizing better access to public toilets? Offsetting the costs of internal plumbing and making it more available to low income homeowners and renters? Just pouring gobs of money into cleanup? What's the Republican proposal here?

Bingo! This^^^^

How is the new governor going to resolve this problem without raising taxes to pay for the fix?

I don't pretend to understand foreign countries like California.

But just saying "We'll cut unnecessary spending", isn't very clear. What current spending is unnecessary? $276,000,000 on a recall, perhaps? Tom Based on what Elder has said, I would presume that any spending that supports schools with things like enforcing mask mandates, covid testing, etc. would be considered unnecessary spending. Does that come up to$276,000,000?

Seems unlikely. But I don't pretend to understand California dollars.

Around here, where I live, you can live like a king on $50K. According to a TFT poster, Seattle pays$100K per homeless person per year.

Tom

Loren Pechtel

Super Moderator
Staff member
Now I must admit I am a little bit skeptical about the idea that the GOP is now the anti-shit party. I grew up in a staunchly Republican town. There was fucking cow shit everywhere, and if any of us kids complained about it, we were admonished to "grow up and get a job" before we tried to "put on airs" about it.

I am interested to learn what Elder's plan for eliminating shit from Californians might be, though. Where can I see an outline of his plan, and how much is it expected to cost? Is he emphasizing better access to public toilets? Offsetting the costs of internal plumbing and making it more available to low income homeowners and renters? Just pouring gobs of money into cleanup? What's the Republican proposal here?

And you think the Republicans can't solve cow shit problems?

India, 1975, lots of cows in the streets. No cow shit in the streets.

Simple fix, poor enough people that they'll scoop up the cow shit to use as cooking fuel.

Still the same in 1982, I haven't been there since to see if it has improved.

Loren Pechtel

Super Moderator
Staff member
Now I must admit I am a little bit skeptical about the idea that the GOP is now the anti-shit party. I grew up in a staunchly Republican town. There was fucking cow shit everywhere, and if any of us kids complained about it, we were admonished to "grow up and get a job" before we tried to "put on airs" about it.

I am interested to learn what Elder's plan for eliminating shit from Californians might be, though. Where can I see an outline of his plan, and how much is it expected to cost? Is he emphasizing better access to public toilets? Offsetting the costs of internal plumbing and making it more available to low income homeowners and renters? Just pouring gobs of money into cleanup? What's the Republican proposal here?

All around our city right now there are crews replacing water lines to homes that have lead pipes. Along with the crews and the diggers and the orange barrels are dozens of portable toilets for the use of those crews. Seems like a simple solution.

As with most fixes of homeless issues this isn't going to work with the nutters.

Loony Running The Asylum
Staff member
Now I must admit I am a little bit skeptical about the idea that the GOP is now the anti-shit party. I grew up in a staunchly Republican town. There was fucking cow shit everywhere, and if any of us kids complained about it, we were admonished to "grow up and get a job" before we tried to "put on airs" about it.

I am interested to learn what Elder's plan for eliminating shit from Californians might be, though. Where can I see an outline of his plan, and how much is it expected to cost? Is he emphasizing better access to public toilets? Offsetting the costs of internal plumbing and making it more available to low income homeowners and renters? Just pouring gobs of money into cleanup? What's the Republican proposal here?

All around our city right now there are crews replacing water lines to homes that have lead pipes. Along with the crews and the diggers and the orange barrels are dozens of portable toilets for the use of those crews. Seems like a simple solution.

As with most fixes of homeless issues this isn't going to work with the nutters.

The nutters are a small part of the total homeless.

TomC

Celestial Highness
As with most fixes of homeless issues this isn't going to work with the nutters.

The nutters are a small part of the total homeless.

How small?

How do you, personally, distinguish between the abusers and the nutters?
Tom

Veteran Member
Based on what Elder has said, I would presume that any spending that supports schools with things like enforcing mask mandates, covid testing, etc. would be considered unnecessary spending.

Does that come up to $276,000,000? Seems unlikely. But I don't pretend to understand California dollars. Around here, where I live, you can live like a king on$50K. According to a TFT poster, Seattle pays \$100K per homeless person per year.

Tom

I don’t believe I claimed that that would be all the unnecessary spending. Just a start based on the priorities the candidate has said is important to him.

Politesse

Lux Aeterna
Now I must admit I am a little bit skeptical about the idea that the GOP is now the anti-shit party. I grew up in a staunchly Republican town. There was fucking cow shit everywhere, and if any of us kids complained about it, we were admonished to "grow up and get a job" before we tried to "put on airs" about it.

I am interested to learn what Elder's plan for eliminating shit from Californians might be, though. Where can I see an outline of his plan, and how much is it expected to cost? Is he emphasizing better access to public toilets? Offsetting the costs of internal plumbing and making it more available to low income homeowners and renters? Just pouring gobs of money into cleanup? What's the Republican proposal here?

Wait, are you saying this is a problem that the free market can’t fix?

I care more about the problem than I do about ideological battles over this and that; if someone has a comprehensive, cohesive, and effective plan that would mobilize the "free market" to address the needs of the homeless folks in my community, I'd be more than willing to listen. In theory, a policy which has the support and backing of the business community could be a much more effective policy than one which they're all fighting and trying to sabotage by whatever means are at their disposal. But I'll want to hear the plan. I'm not signing a blank check over to people who have done nothing at all to gain my trust.

Politesse

Lux Aeterna
Now I must admit I am a little bit skeptical about the idea that the GOP is now the anti-shit party. I grew up in a staunchly Republican town. There was fucking cow shit everywhere, and if any of us kids complained about it, we were admonished to "grow up and get a job" before we tried to "put on airs" about it.

I am interested to learn what Elder's plan for eliminating shit from Californians might be, though. Where can I see an outline of his plan, and how much is it expected to cost? Is he emphasizing better access to public toilets? Offsetting the costs of internal plumbing and making it more available to low income homeowners and renters? Just pouring gobs of money into cleanup? What's the Republican proposal here?

All around our city right now there are crews replacing water lines to homes that have lead pipes. Along with the crews and the diggers and the orange barrels are dozens of portable toilets for the use of those crews. Seems like a simple solution.

To a certain extent, they have been trying to do this; there are public toilets in all of the downtown areas of SF now. But, it's still pretty hard to find a clean loo, even if you're just a normal pedestrian. There aren't nearly enough (usually one per district), they aren't well-maintained, and they all close at 7pm. So I'm not sure they're doing much more than throwing matches into the sea.

And I note that the Republicans have fought the Pit Stop program tooth and nail, so if Elder intends to put his weight behind it, he'll be facing a bitter fight with his own party as a result. And I've yet to see any evidence that he intends to do anything about this at all anyway. Since when has any Southern Californian politician given two shits about what happens in San Francisco one way or another?