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can someone please tell me how a fertilized egg is not a human being?

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considering the fact that if the fertilized egg in your mother's womb was extinguished would you be here today?
 

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first of all. you did exist, and if allowed to continue to exist you would be who you are today, same person. but since you got killed, then you would not be hear today. the point is that a human was killed, not if you care.
 

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first of all. you did exist...
Where? How so? You mean the little bundle of chemicals was me?

I don't think of that fetal bundle of flesh as human. I became human when I was an aware being with an interest in my existence as a "me".
 

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Is acorn a tree? If one never was, there would be no one to regret it. A fertilized egg has too few of the characteristics of a human being to be considered fully human.
 

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first of all. you did exist...
Where? How so? You mean the little bundle of chemicals was me?

I don't think of that fetal bundle of flesh as human. I became human when I was an aware being with an interest in my existence as a human "me".
hello! that fertilized egg has YOUR DNA in it. that cell multiplied and multiplied and you are those cells and person. do you know anything about embryology
 

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first of all. you did exist...
Where? How so? You mean the little bundle of chemicals was me?

I don't think of that fetal bundle of flesh as human. I became human when I was an aware being with an interest in my existence as a human "me".
hello! that fertilized egg has YOUR DNA in it.
So does your hair. You still cut it though, killing that human life.
 

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first of all. you did exist...
Where? How so? You mean the little bundle of chemicals was me?

I don't think of that fetal bundle of flesh as human. I became human when I was an aware being with an interest in my existence as a human "me".
hello! that fertilized egg has YOUR DNA in it.
So does your hair. You still cut it though, killing that human l
that is not a good analogy. the fertilized egg is you, if you kill it you die. fact, as you grow organs you become more developed, but that is you.
 

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Can you refute what i said...yes or no answer please
 

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sure. embrology says you go through many stages of growth. you start out as an egg, then the egg divides and divides, getting a heart, forming body parts, being born, learning to talk, HELLO this is embryology of the human. have you NEVER heard of embryology? there is a specific medical specialty for that
 

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sure. embrology says you go through many stages of growth. you start out as an egg, then the egg divides and divides, getting a heart, forming body parts, being born, learning to talk, HELLO this is embryology of the human. have you NEVER heard of embryology? there is a specific medical specialty for that
But the egg has not yet gone through those stages of growth - until it has done so, it still merely an egg
 

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the egg, CONTINUALLLY - without any interruption - divides and divides and grows. thus the continuality is YOU continuing to exist. you just don't magically appear. how do you think you showed up on this earth?
 

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sure. embrology says you go through many stages of growth. you start out as an egg, then the egg divides and divides, getting a heart, forming body parts, being born, learning to talk, HELLO this is embryology of the human. have you NEVER heard of embryology? there is a specific medical specialty for that
I'm not seeing how embryology determines the value of the fetus.

Anyway I'll drop trying to determine what I as a person am (since, after all, I'm talking with a guy who doesn't know the difference between an egg and a human being). How about this instead... If my mother felt she had a reason to abort the fetus that would eventually have become me, then my non-existent dead little ghostly egg-self would want to say to her: "If difficulty was avoided in your life by doing that then all is well".
 

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first of all. you did exist...
Where? How so? You mean the little bundle of chemicals was me?

I don't think of that fetal bundle of flesh as human. I became human when I was an aware being with an interest in my existence as a human "me".
hello! that fertilized egg has YOUR DNA in it. that cell multiplied and multiplied and you are those cells and person. do you know anything about embryology
Mate, the last big shit you took had YOUR DNA in it.

It ain’t special.
 

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sure. embrology says you go through many stages of growth. you start out as an egg, then the egg divides and divides, getting a heart, forming body parts, being born, learning to talk, HELLO this is embryology of the human. have you NEVER heard of embryology? there is a specific medical specialty for that
JC1432, if you understand all of the above, how are you making the claim in your other thread that every time a human being grows an arm it is an entirely random process, and not a process coded by information inherited from previous generations and held in common throughout the human race?
 

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first of all. you did exist...
Where? How so? You mean the little bundle of chemicals was me?

I don't think of that fetal bundle of flesh as human. I became human when I was an aware being with an interest in my existence as a human "me".
hello! that fertilized egg has YOUR DNA in it. that cell multiplied and multiplied and you are those cells and person. do you know anything about embryology
Mate, the last big shit you took had YOUR DNA in it.

It ain’t special.

Yeah but.., a big lump with DNA in it, evolving to the 'refined specimen' it is now ( he says, holding his nose). Couldn't it be "special, in some way at least, because of "natural selection?"
 

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considering the fact that if the fertilized egg in your mother's womb was extinguished would you be here today?
How about the unfertilized egg? Without that, there wouldn't have been the fertilized egg that led to you.

Without fertilization, that egg will die at the time of the menstrual period. Simple logic demonstrates that any woman who refuses to have her egg fertilized is murdering a human being.

Rapists should be applauded, not imprisoned: They are trying to save a human life.
 

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considering the fact that if the fertilized egg in your mother's womb was extinguished would you be here today?
How about the unfertilized egg? Without that, there wouldn't have been the fertilized egg that led to you.

Without fertilization, that egg will die at the time of the menstrual period. Simple logic demonstrates that any woman who refuses to have her egg fertilized is murdering a human being.

Rapists should be applauded, not imprisoned: They are trying to save a human life.
That reminds me of a Monty Python bit, "every sperm is sacred".

 

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first of all. you did exist...
Where? How so? You mean the little bundle of chemicals was me?

I don't think of that fetal bundle of flesh as human. I became human when I was an aware being with an interest in my existence as a human "me".
hello! that fertilized egg has YOUR DNA in it.
So does your hair. You still cut it though, killing that human l
that is not a good analogy. the fertilized egg is you, if you kill it you die. fact, as you grow organs you become more developed, but that is you.
I think JC, some of the posters missed the context implication of the word fertilized. Unless ... that is the actual thinking intent - going along the same conceptual line, that somehow, one can actually "fertilize" a turd, a hair, a puss, a scab, or even sperm?
o_O
 

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first of all. you did exist...
Where? How so? You mean the little bundle of chemicals was me?

I don't think of that fetal bundle of flesh as human. I became human when I was an aware being with an interest in my existence as a human "me".
hello! that fertilized egg has YOUR DNA in it.
So does your hair. You still cut it though, killing that human l
that is not a good analogy. the fertilized egg is you, if you kill it you die. fact, as you grow organs you become more developed, but that is you.
I think JC, some of the posters missed the context implication of the word fertilized. Unless ... that is the actual thinking intent - going along the same conceptual line, that somehow, one can actually "fertilize" a turd, a hair, a puss, a scab, or even sperm?
o_O
His argument was that the fertilized egg had his DNA which is true but also true for the other examples. An unfertilized egg has only 23 chromosomes but a fertilized egg and all the other examples have 46 chromosomes.
 

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first of all. you did exist...
Where? How so? You mean the little bundle of chemicals was me?

I don't think of that fetal bundle of flesh as human. I became human when I was an aware being with an interest in my existence as a human "me".
hello! that fertilized egg has YOUR DNA in it. that cell multiplied and multiplied and you are those cells and person. do you know anything about embryology
Mate, the last big shit you took had YOUR DNA in it.

It ain’t special.
I scrolled to the top, and I STG I was thinking this a few posts up from yours and then I got to yours... Fucking spectacular. So nice, I would "like" it twice!
 

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Potential is not the same as me.

When I was born, I was still growing and cells were still replicating but guess what? I wasn't an adult. I had the building blocks to one day BE AN ADULT, but I wasn't then. So no, a fertilized egg has the potential to become human, but is not at that moment.
 

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Define what it means to be human. Does the embryo fit the description?

For me, I think of it like a car. The blue prints and raw materials scattered about is not a car. The unfinished is not a car until we reach a certain point. That point id open to debate. Again, for me, its often more clear when its not a car than when it is is one.

I have to admit, I am less emotional than the average bear tho. I only define an object by how it interacts with its surroundings. How I feel about it doesn't matter. Unless I have a strong feeling, then I ask myself if that strong feeling may be skewing my final conclusion.
 

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Can someone please tell me how a chicken is not an egg?
That's easy.
Not all chickens are eggs. Not all eggs are chickens.

But anyone who claims that no eggs are chickens is scientifically illiterate.

That's being charitable about it.
Tom
 

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I read where a pregnant lady was driving in the HOV land because she said there were two people in the car. Will she have to pay for two tickets if she flies on a plane?
 

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Obviously, if you buy yarn you are obligated to knit things.

Obviously, if you have a cupboard full of ingredients you are  obligated to bake things.

Obviously, if you have an organ with a cyst on it you are  obligated to gestate it.

Or arguments to obligation by precursor are fucking stupid.
 
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