Charlottesville: video evidence that the alt-right attacked first

[ZiprHead]

Yeah, I know. Complaining about people marching with torches, chanting against the Jews... so easy to just start putting people into prison for thinking climate change is a lie.

Antifas believe capitalism itself is "fascist".

Some do. Some just believe fascists are racist nazi assholes that need to be resisted.

 

[dismal]

Tip: If you weren't so busy flinging around Seig heils! you'd probably realize that (almost) everyone thinks neo-Nazis are despicable

Among those few who don't appear to think so is Trump. At least that's the image he prefers to cultivate. How anyone could think that's responsible leadership is beyond me. His insecurities about obligatory duties are more important to him than his duty.

Large numbers of Americans remember when troglodytes such as these Nazi marchers were in positions of influence. That they are casually accepted by a President supposedly representing everybody is alarming.

So, Trump said this:

As I said on Saturday, we condemn in the strongest possible terms this egregious display of hatred, bigotry, and violence. It has no place in America.

And as I have said many times before: No matter the color of our skin, we all live under the same laws, we all salute the same great flag, and we are all made by the same almighty God. We must love each other, show affection for each other, and unite together in condemnation of hatred, bigotry, and violence. We must rediscover the bonds of love and loyalty that bring us together as Americans.

Racism is evil. And those who cause violence in its name are criminals and thugs, including the KKK, neo-Nazis, white supremacists, and other hate groups that are repugnant to everything we hold dear as Americans.

You consider that support for neo-nazis?

 

[Horatio Parker]

Among those few who don't appear to think so is Trump. At least that's the image he prefers to cultivate. How anyone could think that's responsible leadership is beyond me. His insecurities about obligatory duties are more important to him than his duty.

Large numbers of Americans remember when troglodytes such as these Nazi marchers were in positions of influence. That they are casually accepted by a President supposedly representing everybody is alarming.

So, Trump said this:

As I said on Saturday, we condemn in the strongest possible terms this egregious display of hatred, bigotry, and violence. It has no place in America.

And as I have said many times before: No matter the color of our skin, we all live under the same laws, we all salute the same great flag, and we are all made by the same almighty God. We must love each other, show affection for each other, and unite together in condemnation of hatred, bigotry, and violence. We must rediscover the bonds of love and loyalty that bring us together as Americans.

Racism is evil. And those who cause violence in its name are criminals and thugs, including the KKK, neo-Nazis, white supremacists, and other hate groups that are repugnant to everything we hold dear as Americans.

You consider that support for neo-nazis?

That's his prepared Monday statement, which he walked back on Tuesday. That's the issue, that's what people are upset about.

You can be so tedious.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

So, Trump said this:

As I said on Saturday, we condemn in the strongest possible terms this egregious display of hatred, bigotry, and violence. It has no place in America.

And as I have said many times before: No matter the color of our skin, we all live under the same laws, we all salute the same great flag, and we are all made by the same almighty God. We must love each other, show affection for each other, and unite together in condemnation of hatred, bigotry, and violence. We must rediscover the bonds of love and loyalty that bring us together as Americans.

Racism is evil. And those who cause violence in its name are criminals and thugs, including the KKK, neo-Nazis, white supremacists, and other hate groups that are repugnant to everything we hold dear as Americans.

You consider that support for neo-nazis?

That's his prepared Monday statement, which he walked back on Tuesday. That's the issue, that's what people are upset about.

Also when specifically asked about white nationalists he wouldn't respond to it.

You can be so tedious.

Understatement.

 

[dismal]

So, Trump said this:

As I said on Saturday, we condemn in the strongest possible terms this egregious display of hatred, bigotry, and violence. It has no place in America.

And as I have said many times before: No matter the color of our skin, we all live under the same laws, we all salute the same great flag, and we are all made by the same almighty God. We must love each other, show affection for each other, and unite together in condemnation of hatred, bigotry, and violence. We must rediscover the bonds of love and loyalty that bring us together as Americans.

Racism is evil. And those who cause violence in its name are criminals and thugs, including the KKK, neo-Nazis, white supremacists, and other hate groups that are repugnant to everything we hold dear as Americans.

You consider that support for neo-nazis?

That's his prepared Monday statement, which he walked back on Tuesday. That's the issue, that's what people are upset about.

You can be so tedious.

But why would someone who supports Neo-nazis say that that ever?

 

[Jason Harvestdancer]

When the criminal street gang the Crips are fighting the criminal street gang the Bloods, you can't use the both sides are exactly as bad when one side includes the Crips, but thank you for publicly defending Crips and letting everyone know what you are.

Sincerely,
Not a Nazi

Nazis are nazis. They are the top of the iceberg of evil. They engineered a plan to commit mass murder in an attempt to wipe away several types of people from the face of the Earth.

Sure, there have been genocides, mass murders, killers, bad groups in the past, but the Nazis have so little redeeming qualities, as so much that they have made Hollywood billions of dollars because they are such an easy enemy to portray.

The people in the marches in Virginia were chanting for the deaths of Jews. To fucking heck with anyone that defends them. They represent a form of hate that can not be tolerated.

Looking back on this, I see something I missed the first time around.

Hitler is responsible for 20 million non-combat deaths. Mao is responsible for 70 million. Yet Hitler is worse because of the reason he killed them?

 

[Horatio Parker]

So, Trump said this:

As I said on Saturday, we condemn in the strongest possible terms this egregious display of hatred, bigotry, and violence. It has no place in America.

And as I have said many times before: No matter the color of our skin, we all live under the same laws, we all salute the same great flag, and we are all made by the same almighty God. We must love each other, show affection for each other, and unite together in condemnation of hatred, bigotry, and violence. We must rediscover the bonds of love and loyalty that bring us together as Americans.

Racism is evil. And those who cause violence in its name are criminals and thugs, including the KKK, neo-Nazis, white supremacists, and other hate groups that are repugnant to everything we hold dear as Americans.

You consider that support for neo-nazis?

That's his prepared Monday statement, which he walked back on Tuesday. That's the issue, that's what people are upset about.

You can be so tedious.

But why would someone who supports Neo-nazis say that that ever?

Another Dismalization. No one is arguing that Trump supports KKK/Nazis. His aim is to not provide aid and comfort to people who didn't vote for him. He sees condemning the RW marchers as dancing to a Democrat tune, and he'd rather see his Presidency go down in flames than submit to that.

On Saturday and Tuesday he avoided condemning political philosophies of segregation and violence. That's the point. His prepared Monday statement, read off a teleprompter and likely not written by him, he then refused, on Tuesday, to reinforce. In the process undermining his own press conference bleating about infrastructure. Again, his demons prevent him from advancing his own agenda.

The job of President is partially ceremonial. So you say your little kumbyas or whatever, and get on with business. But Trump is too mentally around the corner for that.

I suggest taking a look at the tweets/statements of the rest of the GOP leadership. They at least know how to keep their priorities straight.

It's hard to see these posts of yours as anything other than game playing. If you seriously believe Trump is acting responsibly, I suggest you keep your day job and stay out of politics.

 

[Elixir]

Nazis are nazis. They are the top of the iceberg of evil. They engineered a plan to commit mass murder in an attempt to wipe away several types of people from the face of the Earth.

Sure, there have been genocides, mass murders, killers, bad groups in the past, but the Nazis have so little redeeming qualities, as so much that they have made Hollywood billions of dollars because they are such an easy enemy to portray.

The people in the marches in Virginia were chanting for the deaths of Jews. To fucking heck with anyone that defends them. They represent a form of hate that can not be tolerated.

Looking back on this, I see something I missed the first time around.

Hitler is responsible for 20 million non-combat deaths. Mao is responsible for 70 million. Yet Hitler is worse because of the reason he killed them?

Way to deflect ...
Mao killed his own people. Hitler caused over 400,000 AMERICAN deaths. Not that that matters, because you are so uniformly concerned with the value of EVERY human life, right?
We never went to war against Mao, though. If we had, and his minions were killing innocent Americans today with ISIS-style terrorist tactics, I am quite certain that the outrage would be similar... from rational people, that is. There would be some of your counterparts though, complaining that Stalin (or whever - anyone but Mao) killed X number of people too, so why the fuss about a Maoist terrorist?

 

[dismal]

So, Trump said this:

As I said on Saturday, we condemn in the strongest possible terms this egregious display of hatred, bigotry, and violence. It has no place in America.

And as I have said many times before: No matter the color of our skin, we all live under the same laws, we all salute the same great flag, and we are all made by the same almighty God. We must love each other, show affection for each other, and unite together in condemnation of hatred, bigotry, and violence. We must rediscover the bonds of love and loyalty that bring us together as Americans.

Racism is evil. And those who cause violence in its name are criminals and thugs, including the KKK, neo-Nazis, white supremacists, and other hate groups that are repugnant to everything we hold dear as Americans.

You consider that support for neo-nazis?

That's his prepared Monday statement, which he walked back on Tuesday. That's the issue, that's what people are upset about.

You can be so tedious.

But why would someone who supports Neo-nazis say that that ever?

Another Dismalization. No one is arguing that Trump supports KKK/Nazis. His aim is to not provide aid and comfort to people who didn't vote for him. He sees condemning the RW marchers as dancing to a Democrat tune, and he'd rather see his Presidency go down in flames than submit to that.

On Saturday and Tuesday he avoided condemning political philosophies of segregation and violence. That's the point. His prepared Monday statement, read off a teleprompter and likely not written by him, he then refused, on Tuesday, to reinforce. In the process undermining his own press conference bleating about infrastructure. Again, his demons prevent him from advancing his own agenda.

The job of President is partially ceremonial. So you say your little kumbyas or whatever, and get on with business. But Trump is too mentally around the corner for that.

I suggest taking a look at the tweets/statements of the rest of the GOP leadership. They at least know how to keep their priorities straight.

It's hard to see these posts of yours as anything other than game playing. If you seriously believe Trump is acting responsibly, I suggest you keep your day job and stay out of politics.

Huh. You were the one that brought up Trump and his desire to curry favor with the neo-nazis weren't you?

I responded to your comment by introducing evidence that he has made very condemning comments about neo-nazis.

I think this issue has about zero to do with Trump, and if you want to squeal about his statements you should take it on over to the Trump Derangement sub-forum.

 

[Jason Harvestdancer]

Looking back on this, I see something I missed the first time around.

Hitler is responsible for 20 million non-combat deaths. Mao is responsible for 70 million. Yet Hitler is worse because of the reason he killed them?

Way to deflect ...
Mao killed his own people. Hitler caused over 400,000 AMERICAN deaths. Not that that matters, because you are so uniformly concerned with the value of EVERY human life, right?
We never went to war against Mao, though. If we had, and his minions were killing innocent Americans today with ISIS-style terrorist tactics, I am quite certain that the outrage would be similar... from rational people, that is. There would be some of your counterparts though, complaining that Stalin (or whever - anyone but Mao) killed X number of people too, so why the fuss about a Maoist terrorist?

I said "non-combat deaths" for a reason. You expect soldiers to die in war, that's what war is. Democide (a government killing its own people) is something that I do regard as worse.

Everyone rightly regards Hitler as evil for his Democide. Yet even today we find people who think Mao and even Stalin are not so bad even though Stalin killed 30 million outside of combat and Mao killed 70 million. Based on what I can infer from Jimmy's post, Hitler's motives make him worse than those who killed more people. I'm sure that those who died under Mao and Stalin can feel good about their deaths knowing that their death wasn't due to the wrong reasons.

Hitler was the 20th Century's third biggest mass murderer, and history's fourth. Next up from him is Stalin. In first place (with an asterisk) is Mao. The asterisk was requested by Ghengis Khan who is in between Stalin and Mao, and complains that he could have killed more but there were simply less people back then, and his desire for an asterisk is supported by Pol Pot.

 

[dismal]

complaining that Stalin (or whever - anyone but Mao) killed X number of people too

Well, Stalin stood up to Hitler and beat him down so you can't compare him with the Nazis. He was like antifa on steroids.

 

[Horatio Parker]

Huh. You were the one that brought up Trump and his desire to curry favor with the neo-nazis weren't you?

I responded to your comment by introducing evidence that he has made very condemning comments about neo-nazis.

I think this issue has about zero to do with Trump, and if you want to squeal about his statements you should take it on over to the Trump Derangement sub-forum.

Yes, I brought up Trump because his statements providing support for the NN are relevant.

You are the one claiming almost everyone thinks NN are despicable. Apparently so much so there is no need for these non-supporters to ever say so.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Way to deflect ...
Mao killed his own people. Hitler caused over 400,000 AMERICAN deaths. Not that that matters, because you are so uniformly concerned with the value of EVERY human life, right?
We never went to war against Mao, though. If we had, and his minions were killing innocent Americans today with ISIS-style terrorist tactics, I am quite certain that the outrage would be similar... from rational people, that is. There would be some of your counterparts though, complaining that Stalin (or whever - anyone but Mao) killed X number of people too, so why the fuss about a Maoist terrorist?

I said "non-combat deaths" for a reason. You expect soldiers to die in war, that's what war is. Democide (a government killing its own people) is something that I do regard as worse.

Everyone rightly regards Hitler as evil for his Democide. Yet even today we find people who think Mao and even Stalin are not so bad even though Stalin killed 30 million outside of combat and Mao killed 70 million. Based on what I can infer from Jimmy's post, Hitler's motives make him worse than those who killed more people. I'm sure that those who died under Mao and Stalin can feel good about their deaths knowing that their death wasn't due to the wrong reasons.

Interesting. That you even think this is relevant really puts you adjacent to some vile people.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Nazis are nazis. They are the top of the iceberg of evil. They engineered a plan to commit mass murder in an attempt to wipe away several types of people from the face of the Earth.

Sure, there have been genocides, mass murders, killers, bad groups in the past, but the Nazis have so little redeeming qualities, as so much that they have made Hollywood billions of dollars because they are such an easy enemy to portray.

The people in the marches in Virginia were chanting for the deaths of Jews. To fucking heck with anyone that defends them. They represent a form of hate that can not be tolerated.

Looking back on this, I see something I missed the first time around.

Hitler is responsible for 20 million non-combat deaths. Mao is responsible for 70 million. Yet Hitler is worse because of the reason he killed them?

Small nitpick, Hitler accomplished that in less than 6 years. Had the Nazis won, the death toll would have been unimaginable.

 

[dismal]

Huh. You were the one that brought up Trump and his desire to curry favor with the neo-nazis weren't you?

I responded to your comment by introducing evidence that he has made very condemning comments about neo-nazis.

I think this issue has about zero to do with Trump, and if you want to squeal about his statements you should take it on over to the Trump Derangement sub-forum.

Yes, I brought up Trump because his statements providing support for the NN are relevant.

You are the one claiming almost everyone thinks NN are despicable. Apparently so much so there is no need for these non-supporters to ever say so.

I generally don't feel a strong need to go around telling people I don't support the neo-nazis. Since virtually no one does support them I take it more or less as a given that reasonable people would expect that.

But earlier I did sign off with a

Sincerely,
Not a Nazi

 

[Horatio Parker]

Yes, I brought up Trump because his statements providing support for the NN are relevant.

You are the one claiming almost everyone thinks NN are despicable. Apparently so much so there is no need for these non-supporters to ever say so.

I generally don't feel a strong need to go around telling people I don't support the neo-nazis. Since virtually no one does support them I take it more or less as a given that reasonable people would expect that.

But earlier I did sign off with a

Sincerely,
Not a Nazi

Thanks for proving my point.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

I generally don't feel a strong need to go around telling people I don't support the neo-nazis. Since virtually no one does support them I take it more or less as a given that reasonable people would expect that.

But earlier I did sign off with a

Sincerely,
Not a Nazi

Thanks for proving my point.

Regarding the number of people.

Eighty percent of the poll of 1,125 Americans was conducted following the president's controversial comments Tuesday blaming "both sides" for the violence that left one woman dead after a man drove his car into a crowd of protesters.

About 1 in 4 Americans thought that Trump's statements of false equivalence was appropriate. So the number is much higher than nil. The number of people supporting it are certainly much higher than cases of voter fraud.

 

[Horatio Parker]

Thanks for proving my point.

Regarding the number of people.

Eighty percent of the poll of 1,125 Americans was conducted following the president's controversial comments Tuesday blaming "both sides" for the violence that left one woman dead after a man drove his car into a crowd of protesters.

About 1 in 4 Americans thought that Trump's statements of false equivalence was appropriate. So the number is much higher than nil. The number of people supporting it are certainly much higher than cases of voter fraud.

Here's a Fox News clip of two AAs, one a GOP analyst, discussing Trump's Tuesday remarks. Does anyone here think the emotions displayed are insincere or attempted exploitation. Or, does it indicate that some Americans truly require reassurance from their govt? About six minutes...

 

[KeepTalking]

Neither did the German Nazis at first, it took them a bit to build up to that. We can't afford to wait and let that happen again. Der Gropenfuhrer and his minions need to be stopped well before they get to that point.

To limit the possibility of it happening again, it is best to let them speak so the public can see how crazy their ideas are rather than mobs silencing them by attacking them with sticks and stones. The Skokie march in 1977 was peaceful and it allowed people to really see how absurd the klan is. Klan membership dropped after that march. Mobs beating them with sticks makes them victims and Americans love to side with victims.

I haven't said they shouldn't be allowed to speak, I have said the opposite. Once again, from everything I have seen and heard the Nazis were the aggressors at Charlottesville. Please provide evidence of the counter protesters attacking the Nazis without provocation.

 

[Jason Harvestdancer]

I said "non-combat deaths" for a reason. You expect soldiers to die in war, that's what war is. Democide (a government killing its own people) is something that I do regard as worse.

Everyone rightly regards Hitler as evil for his Democide. Yet even today we find people who think Mao and even Stalin are not so bad even though Stalin killed 30 million outside of combat and Mao killed 70 million. Based on what I can infer from Jimmy's post, Hitler's motives make him worse than those who killed more people. I'm sure that those who died under Mao and Stalin can feel good about their deaths knowing that their death wasn't due to the wrong reasons.

Interesting. That you even think this is relevant really puts you adjacent to some vile people.

So condemning democide qua democide isn't enough, you must condemn Hitler more because of the why of his particular democide?

Saying "Everyone rightly regards Hitler as evil for his Democide" puts me adjacent to some vile people?

Saying "Democide (a government killing its own people) is something that I do regard as worse" (than war deaths) puts me adjacent to some vile people?

Okay...

I guess I was right, you regard democide as not that bad as long as you don't do it for the wrong reasons.