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China's Warning to the World

RVonse

Veteran Member
As they discuss in your video, the US military has no chance of success against China today. And not just because their military is bigger than the US. Taking over Tawain and/or Australia is only a matter of time, I'm actually a little suprised Xi hasn't already blockaded or invaded Tawain..

When you can't even defeat Afghanistan after 20 years its more than obvious the US military can not compete with China. IMO the best the west can hope to achieve is reverse outsourcing and current supply chains. Its way too little and too late though since our workforce has lost so many skills.

The thought of the PRC ruling the world used to disturb me quite a bit. But not so much any more now that the woke movement has taken hold of the west. Because even though the PRC is communist and lacking of freedom,... at least they are still reasonably sane and still believe in family values....I'm trying to look at the bright side of things.:(
 

Jarhyn

Contributor
As they discuss in your video, the US military has no chance of success against China today. And not just because their military is bigger than the US. Taking over Tawain and/or Australia is only a matter of time, I'm actually a little suprised Xi hasn't already blockaded or invaded Tawain..

When you can't even defeat Afghanistan after 20 years its more than obvious the US military can not compete with China. IMO the best the west can hope to achieve is reverse outsourcing and current supply chains. Its way too little and too late though since our workforce has lost so many skills.

The thought of the PRC ruling the world used to disturb me quite a bit. But not so much any more now that the woke movement has taken hold of the west. Because even though the PRC is communist and lacking of freedom,... at least they are still reasonably sane and still believe in family values....I'm trying to look at the bright side of things.:(
I can't help but read this and see the text between the lines: "being slaves ruled by fascists like it's 1984 isn't so bad as long as they'll go after those icky faggots and trannies"
 

Harry Bosch

Contributor
As they discuss in your video, the US military has no chance of success against China today. And not just because their military is bigger than the US. Taking over Tawain and/or Australia is only a matter of time, I'm actually a little suprised Xi hasn't already blockaded or invaded Tawain..

When you can't even defeat Afghanistan after 20 years its more than obvious the US military can not compete with China. IMO the best the west can hope to achieve is reverse outsourcing and current supply chains. Its way too little and too late though since our workforce has lost so many skills.

The thought of the PRC ruling the world used to disturb me quite a bit. But not so much any more now that the woke movement has taken hold of the west. Because even though the PRC is communist and lacking of freedom,... at least they are still reasonably sane and still believe in family values....I'm trying to look at the bright side of things.:(
You really think that Afghanistan defeated the US. Who did this? The Taliban? Under what metric? We are trying to fix the supply chain. But this takes time. Not as easy as you'd assume. And you honestly believe that the Chinese government believes in family values? Seriously? Have you heard of Peng Shuai? Heard of people getting "disappeared"? Yikes. I'm not seeing much on the bright side.

 

Loren Pechtel

Super Moderator
Staff member
As they discuss in your video, the US military has no chance of success against China today. And not just because their military is bigger than the US. Taking over Tawain and/or Australia is only a matter of time, I'm actually a little suprised Xi hasn't already blockaded or invaded Tawain..

When you can't even defeat Afghanistan after 20 years its more than obvious the US military can not compete with China. IMO the best the west can hope to achieve is reverse outsourcing and current supply chains. Its way too little and too late though since our workforce has lost so many skills.

Afghanistan was not our opponent. We couldn't win in Afghanistan because we were actually fighting part of Pakistan but to actually fight that war would have gone nuclear.

It is effectively impossible to defeat an insurgent enemy that has a secure base of supply. Victory only comes from cutting off the supply, if that's non possible you're not going to win.
 

zorq

Veteran Member
As they discuss in your video, the US military has no chance of success against China today. And not just because their military is bigger than the US. Taking over Tawain and/or Australia is only a matter of time, I'm actually a little suprised Xi hasn't already blockaded or invaded Tawain..

When you can't even defeat Afghanistan after 20 years its more than obvious the US military can not compete with China. IMO the best the west can hope to achieve is reverse outsourcing and current supply chains. Its way too little and too late though since our workforce has lost so many skills.

The thought of the PRC ruling the world used to disturb me quite a bit. But not so much any more now that the woke movement has taken hold of the west. Because even though the PRC is communist and lacking of freedom,... at least they are still reasonably sane and still believe in family values....I'm trying to look at the bright side of things.:(
I can't help but read this and see the text between the lines: "being slaves ruled by fascists like it's 1984 isn't so bad as long as they'll go after those icky faggots and trannies"
That is the only way I can read it. Is knowing that you can be disappeared for "criticizing" the government or suggesting the president resembles a honey obsessed yellow teddy bear really better than meeting unashamed gay/queer people who can't be fired (or executed) for kissing their partner in public?

But we already knew that the priorities of Trump voters are skewed beyond rational limits.
 

laughing dog

Contributor
As they discuss in your video, the US military has no chance of success against China today. And not just because their military is bigger than the US. Taking over Tawain and/or Australia is only a matter of time, I'm actually a little suprised Xi hasn't already blockaded or invaded Tawain..
I am not a military expert, and I suspect neither are you. But there is no way China could quickly and effectively take over Australia. It is too far away for a sneak attack, and it is too large to completely and effectively conquer.
 

bilby

Fair dinkum thinkum
As they discuss in your video, the US military has no chance of success against China today. And not just because their military is bigger than the US. Taking over Tawain and/or Australia is only a matter of time, I'm actually a little suprised Xi hasn't already blockaded or invaded Tawain..
I am not a military expert, and I suspect neither are you. But there is no way China could quickly and effectively take over Australia. It is too far away for a sneak attack, and it is too large to completely and effectively conquer.
The last time Australia was invaded, the invading power was on the cusp of becoming one of the largest and strongest empires in world history, and the defenders were a fragmented polity of hundreds of tribes of hunter-gatherers whose most advanced weapons were sticks, rocks, and wooden spears.

The terrain and weather conditions are so harsh, that this invasion came within a bee's dick of total failure, despite the almost unimaginable mismatch in military, technological, and logistical capabilities between invaders and those they invaded.

Nobody's successfully invading Australia. The logistics and supply situation for any putative invader from the North would make Napoleon's Grand Armée's march on Moscow look like a stroll through a well-stocked supermarket.

A simple evacuation of non-combatants to the Brisbane Line, and the deployment of NORFORCE, the Pilbara Regiment, and 51FNQR (collectively known as Regional Force Surveillance Units - RFSUs), not to mention the SAS, to do their specific expert roles in denying water, food, and materiel to the invader, while the RAAF and RAN harassed enemy shipping in the Arafura, Timor and Coral Seas, would have a devastating effect on any attempt to invade.

Even an invader able to establish air and naval supremacy in those northern waters would face an insoluble logistics problem in either moving materiel overland from the north coast, or extending their oceanic shipping down the entire coast of Queensland.

In perfect conditions, with significant infrastructural support, it's three full twenty-four hour days of hard driving to get a truck from Darwin to Brisbane.

Doing that when you need to supply your own fuel, food and water; rebuild every bridge and culvert; and you have RFSU teams blowing up your fuel dumps and all your replacement bridges every night, planting mines and IEDs, and then disappearing into the trackless bush, would be a total nightmare.

And the regular Australian Army hasn't even been mentioned yet.

And the above assumes that Australia would have to stand alone against the invader. Which seems highly unlikely. I suspect the US would pitch in at least to some extent, as would the UN.

Nobody in power in China is even close to stupid enough to think that an invasion of Australia could succeed.

China invade Taiwan? Maybe. But probably not.

China invade Australia? Don't make me laugh. It's logistically impossible; There's fuck-all drinkable water, and no plausible way to carry enough to supply an army, if faced with even the most token resistance. The only significant armed forces in the world capable of 'living off the land' in Northern Australia are the three RFSUs of the Australian Army, the Australian SAS, and small numbers of allied nations special forces trained by those units; and unless the Chinese have managed to recruit their own crack regiment of Aboriginal personnel, they cannot hope to successfully counter their actions.
 

Jarhyn

Contributor
As they discuss in your video, the US military has no chance of success against China today. And not just because their military is bigger than the US. Taking over Tawain and/or Australia is only a matter of time, I'm actually a little suprised Xi hasn't already blockaded or invaded Tawain..

When you can't even defeat Afghanistan after 20 years its more than obvious the US military can not compete with China. IMO the best the west can hope to achieve is reverse outsourcing and current supply chains. Its way too little and too late though since our workforce has lost so many skills.

The thought of the PRC ruling the world used to disturb me quite a bit. But not so much any more now that the woke movement has taken hold of the west. Because even though the PRC is communist and lacking of freedom,... at least they are still reasonably sane and still believe in family values....I'm trying to look at the bright side of things.:(
I can't help but read this and see the text between the lines: "being slaves ruled by fascists like it's 1984 isn't so bad as long as they'll go after those icky faggots and trannies"
That is the only way I can read it. Is knowing that you can be disappeared for "criticizing" the government or suggesting the president resembles a honey obsessed yellow teddy bear really better than meeting unashamed gay/queer people who can't be fired (or executed) for kissing their partner in public?

But we already knew that the priorities of Trump voters are skewed beyond rational limits.
Whenever I encounter such a person who claims to be secular, I can't help but think "go back to religion, we don't want you."
 

Harry Bosch

Contributor
As they discuss in your video, the US military has no chance of success against China today. And not just because their military is bigger than the US. Taking over Tawain and/or Australia is only a matter of time, I'm actually a little suprised Xi hasn't already blockaded or invaded Tawain..

When you can't even defeat Afghanistan after 20 years its more than obvious the US military can not compete with China. IMO the best the west can hope to achieve is reverse outsourcing and current supply chains. Its way too little and too late though since our workforce has lost so many skills.

Afghanistan was not our opponent. We couldn't win in Afghanistan because we were actually fighting part of Pakistan but to actually fight that war would have gone nuclear.

It is effectively impossible to defeat an insurgent enemy that has a secure base of supply. Victory only comes from cutting off the supply, if that's non possible you're not going to win.
Yea, I see no correlation between protecting Taiwan and Afghanistan. For one, Taiwan will fight for the independence. They have a robust defense force willing to fight. Secondly, if China takes over Taiwan, the US is screwed. Taiwan makes 50% of the advanced chips that the US needs. Without these chips, our economy is dead.
 

Jarhyn

Contributor
As they discuss in your video, the US military has no chance of success against China today. And not just because their military is bigger than the US. Taking over Tawain and/or Australia is only a matter of time, I'm actually a little suprised Xi hasn't already blockaded or invaded Tawain..

When you can't even defeat Afghanistan after 20 years its more than obvious the US military can not compete with China. IMO the best the west can hope to achieve is reverse outsourcing and current supply chains. Its way too little and too late though since our workforce has lost so many skills.

Afghanistan was not our opponent. We couldn't win in Afghanistan because we were actually fighting part of Pakistan but to actually fight that war would have gone nuclear.

It is effectively impossible to defeat an insurgent enemy that has a secure base of supply. Victory only comes from cutting off the supply, if that's non possible you're not going to win.
Yea, I see no correlation between protecting Taiwan and Afghanistan. For one, Taiwan will fight for the independence. They have a robust defense force willing to fight. Secondly, if China takes over Taiwan, the US is screwed. Taiwan makes 50% of the advanced chips that the US needs. Without these chips, our economy is dead.
I can almost guarantee the chip fabs in Taiwan will not survive a Chinese takeover. The world will go without magic before any single superpower will be allowed to own it all.
 

T.G.G. Moogly

Formerly Joedad
As they discuss in your video, the US military has no chance of success against China today. And not just because their military is bigger than the US. Taking over Tawain and/or Australia is only a matter of time, I'm actually a little suprised Xi hasn't already blockaded or invaded Tawain..

When you can't even defeat Afghanistan after 20 years its more than obvious the US military can not compete with China. IMO the best the west can hope to achieve is reverse outsourcing and current supply chains. Its way too little and too late though since our workforce has lost so many skills.

Afghanistan was not our opponent. We couldn't win in Afghanistan because we were actually fighting part of Pakistan but to actually fight that war would have gone nuclear.

It is effectively impossible to defeat an insurgent enemy that has a secure base of supply. Victory only comes from cutting off the supply, if that's non possible you're not going to win.
Yea, I see no correlation between protecting Taiwan and Afghanistan. For one, Taiwan will fight for the independence. They have a robust defense force willing to fight. Secondly, if China takes over Taiwan, the US is screwed. Taiwan makes 50% of the advanced chips that the US needs. Without these chips, our economy is dead.
Is it about chips or is it about democracy and Taiwan? It's actually all of the above. If chips weren't coming from Taiwan would we be so protective of Taiwan as the English were of Poland in 1939? It's a good question. Maybe this international trade thing is a good thing and will keep us all from masturbating ourselves to death.
 

T.G.G. Moogly

Formerly Joedad
As they discuss in your video, the US military has no chance of success against China today. And not just because their military is bigger than the US. Taking over Tawain and/or Australia is only a matter of time, I'm actually a little suprised Xi hasn't already blockaded or invaded Tawain..

When you can't even defeat Afghanistan after 20 years its more than obvious the US military can not compete with China. IMO the best the west can hope to achieve is reverse outsourcing and current supply chains. Its way too little and too late though since our workforce has lost so many skills.

The thought of the PRC ruling the world used to disturb me quite a bit. But not so much any more now that the woke movement has taken hold of the west. Because even though the PRC is communist and lacking of freedom,... at least they are still reasonably sane and still believe in family values....I'm trying to look at the bright side of things.:(
Sarcasm and hyperbole noted. Wouldn't you rather die a free man that live a slave's life in China, even if it meant you had to buddy-up with the trannies, queers and deplorables?
 

Elixir

Content Thief
When you can't even defeat Afghanistan after 20 years its ...
Par for the course. USA has simply added its name to every other country that has ever tried to "defeat Afghanistan" (win in Afghanistan)
NONE of them have ever prevailed. Except maybe in the RVonse imagination, where it is apparently a minimal accomplishment to "defeat Afghanistan".
 
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Loren Pechtel

Super Moderator
Staff member
As they discuss in your video, the US military has no chance of success against China today. And not just because their military is bigger than the US. Taking over Tawain and/or Australia is only a matter of time, I'm actually a little suprised Xi hasn't already blockaded or invaded Tawain..
I am not a military expert, and I suspect neither are you. But there is no way China could quickly and effectively take over Australia. It is too far away for a sneak attack, and it is too large to completely and effectively conquer.

But you don't need to. Conquer the coastal cities and the few people living inland will come to their senses pretty soon. The only substantial population center not on the coast itself is Canberra and it's not that far inland.
 

funinspace

Veteran Member
As they discuss in your video, the US military has no chance of success against China today. And not just because their military is bigger than the US. Taking over Tawain and/or Australia is only a matter of time, I'm actually a little suprised Xi hasn't already blockaded or invaded Tawain..
I am not a military expert, and I suspect neither are you. But there is no way China could quickly and effectively take over Australia. It is too far away for a sneak attack, and it is too large to completely and effectively conquer.
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China invade Australia? Don't make me laugh.
Well it certainly made me laugh...silly, ridiculous, and funny...as China doesn't have the sea power to project that far, as the US would engage and destroy. China may be able to well protect their coastal areas, but projecting that kind of power is a different animal. They have 2 aircraft carriers that are maybe 75% of our 11 carrier armada. And they are not nuclear, so they will need oilers in tow to keep them going.
 

laughing dog

Contributor
As they discuss in your video, the US military has no chance of success against China today. And not just because their military is bigger than the US. Taking over Tawain and/or Australia is only a matter of time, I'm actually a little suprised Xi hasn't already blockaded or invaded Tawain..
I am not a military expert, and I suspect neither are you. But there is no way China could quickly and effectively take over Australia. It is too far away for a sneak attack, and it is too large to completely and effectively conquer.

But you don't need to. Conquer the coastal cities and the few people living inland will come to their senses pretty soon. The only substantial population center not on the coast itself is Canberra and it's not that far inland.
Until you can make a convincing case that China can transport the necessary military personnel to conquer those coastal cities, your position is risible.
 

Patooka

Veteran Member
Taking over Tawain and/or Australia is only a matter of time,
Australia is incredibly unpopular in South East Asia. And yet despite that, countries like Malaysia, Singapore, Indonesia etc definitely wouldn't tolerate such a move. Keep your Tom Clancy-esque porn in your pants.
 

barbos

Contributor
Can one fit a million soldiers with guns on a container ship?
Cause if you can, then invading Australia is not impossible.
OK, 1 million is not possible I think. 100K is, but force of 100K is not enough I think.
 

Derec

Contributor
You really think that Afghanistan defeated the US. Who did this? The Taliban? Under what metric?
Under the metric that Biden hastily withdrew US forces from there and the Taliban took power. What metric do you propose?

And you honestly believe that the Chinese government believes in family values? Seriously?
I don't. But China (and many others) will be eating our lunch in a couple of decades if we do not stop this woke nonsense.
You have states like California saying that because blacks and hispanics are not that good in math. Algebra and Calculus should be deemphasized while so-called "social justice" should be incorporated into math education. Politicizing math and science will not help US in 21st century global competition. Quite the opposite!

California educators battle over woke math

Have you heard of Peng Shuai?

Isn't that when you rearrange all your furniture to help some imaginary energy fluid flow better around it or something?
 

Harry Bosch

Contributor
You really think that Afghanistan defeated the US. Who did this? The Taliban? Under what metric?
Under the metric that Biden hastily withdrew US forces from there and the Taliban took power. What metric do you propose?

And you honestly believe that the Chinese government believes in family values? Seriously?
I don't. But China (and many others) will be eating our lunch in a couple of decades if we do not stop this woke nonsense.
You have states like California saying that because blacks and hispanics are not that good in math. Algebra and Calculus should be deemphasized while so-called "social justice" should be incorporated into math education. Politicizing math and science will not help US in 21st century global competition. Quite the opposite!

California educators battle over woke math

Have you heard of Peng Shuai?

Isn't that when you rearrange all your furniture to help some imaginary energy fluid flow better around it or something?
No, I don't consider a withdraw to be a military defeat. Do you consider Trump's withdraw from Syria to be a US defeat? By this Trumpian definition we were also defeated by Mexico, Spain, Chille, Cuba, Panama, Libya and the mighty country of Cameroon!
 

funinspace

Veteran Member
You really think that Afghanistan defeated the US. Who did this? The Taliban? Under what metric?
Under the metric that Biden hastily withdrew US forces from there and the Taliban took power. What metric do you propose?

And you honestly believe that the Chinese government believes in family values? Seriously?
I don't. But China (and many others) will be eating our lunch in a couple of decades if we do not stop this woke nonsense.
You have states like California saying that because blacks and hispanics are not that good in math. Algebra and Calculus should be deemphasized while so-called "social justice" should be incorporated into math education. Politicizing math and science will not help US in 21st century global competition. Quite the opposite!

California educators battle over woke math

Have you heard of Peng Shuai?

Isn't that when you rearrange all your furniture to help some imaginary energy fluid flow better around it or something?
No, I don't consider a withdraw to be a military defeat. Do you consider Trump's withdraw from Syria to be a US defeat? By this Trumpian definition we were also defeated by Mexico, Spain, Chille, Cuba, Panama, Libya and the mighty country of Cameroon!
Yep! A fiasco, a huge flush of resources, et.al., but hardly a defeat, but to Neocon nation building fantasies.

But hey, the Taliban have some hardcore family values, and they take it seriously (no woke allowed), so the alt-right should be happy that the Taliban are in charge...
 

funinspace

Veteran Member
(no woke allowed),
Are you kidding me? The Taliban are hyperwoke.
LOL...If I didn't know your posts that well, I'd think you were making a joke...alas

"having or marked by an active awareness of systemic injustices and prejudices, especially those related to civil and human rights:"
 

Loren Pechtel

Super Moderator
Staff member
But you don't need to. Conquer the coastal cities and the few people living inland will come to their senses pretty soon. The only substantial population center not on the coast itself is Canberra and it's not that far inland.
Until you can make a convincing case that China can transport the necessary military personnel to conquer those coastal cities, your position is risible.

You expect them to play by the rules? Send them on freighters in peacetime. Declare war when they are already in port.

You could even have them at the 12 mile limit, there wouldn't be time to scramble naval strike aircraft.
 

laughing dog

Contributor
But you don't need to. Conquer the coastal cities and the few people living inland will come to their senses pretty soon. The only substantial population center not on the coast itself is Canberra and it's not that far inland.
Until you can make a convincing case that China can transport the necessary military personnel to conquer those coastal cities, your position is risible.

You expect them to play by the rules? Send them on freighters in peacetime. Declare war when they are already in port.

You could even have them at the 12 mile limit, there wouldn't be time to scramble naval strike aircraft.
It would take an armada of "freighters" to transport sufficient troops which would be noticed. Really, your argument is ridiculous.
 

Derec

Contributor
LOL...If I didn't know your posts that well, I'd think you were making a joke...alas
Kind of, but not really. Of course I do not think they share many beliefs (such as feminism) with western wokes. But on a more fundamental level, something not captured in the dictionary definition you posted, wokeism is all about identity politics. And in that sense, US-wokes and the Taliban are rather similar. Both are about identity politics and collective action over self-determination of the individual.
 

Derec

Contributor
The standard definition of woke being spread around here is basically people complaining about something but not being willing to do anything about it. How does that apply to the Taliban?
But wokes did do a lot. They burned down a lot of businesses in 2020 in the name of wokeism. Taliban also did a lot of destroying for their beliefs.
 

Derec

Contributor
No, I don't consider a withdraw to be a military defeat.
A military withdrawal where the enemy you ousted 20 years earlier triumphantly comes back into power is a defeat by any definition.

Do you consider Trump's withdraw from Syria to be a US defeat?
I think US actions re fight against the Caliphate were a success.
US actions re geopolitical threat of Russia and Iran were certainly not.

By this Trumpian definition we were also defeated by Mexico, Spain, Chille, Cuba, Panama, Libya and the mighty country of Cameroon!
How so? It's more comparable to Vietnam.
 

Angra Mainyu

Veteran Member
That seems to be clearly against Woke beliefs (not all Woke beliefs are wrong).
"Wokeism" is all about identity politics. Taliban are woke, but they are a different flavor of woke.
Well, Wokeism is really about anti-White and anti-West. Taliban may not be anti-White but they're certainly anti-West.
Xi is also against the West, but not at all Woke. And there are plenty of movements using "identity politics" that are not Woke, in the sense the word is generally used here; "Woke" is defined by ostension - one of those, not one of the others. And the Taliban seem to be about the others as far as I can tell.
 

Patooka

Veteran Member
It would take an armada of "freighters" to transport sufficient troops which would be noticed. Really, your argument is ridiculous.
Coupled with the fact Australia loses its collective shit whenever only one of these enters its waters :

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unless those freighters are equipped with Romulan cloaking devices, someone's gonna notice.
 

Harry Bosch

Contributor
No, I don't consider a withdraw to be a military defeat.
A military withdrawal where the enemy you ousted 20 years earlier triumphantly comes back into power is a defeat by any definition.

Do you consider Trump's withdraw from Syria to be a US defeat?
I think US actions re fight against the Caliphate were a success.
US actions re geopolitical threat of Russia and Iran were certainly not.

By this Trumpian definition we were also defeated by Mexico, Spain, Chille, Cuba, Panama, Libya and the mighty country of Cameroon!
How so? It's more comparable to Vietnam.
You're moving goal posts here. ISIS hasn't been totally defeated either. If Trump had pulled out of Afghanistan as he wanted to, would you have considered it a military defeat?
 

funinspace

Veteran Member
LOL...If I didn't know your posts that well, I'd think you were making a joke...alas
Kind of, but not really. Of course I do not think they share many beliefs (such as feminism) with western wokes. But on a more fundamental level, something not captured in the dictionary definition you posted, wokeism is all about identity politics. And in that sense, US-wokes and the Taliban are rather similar. Both are about identity politics and collective action over self-determination of the individual.
Well, regardless of the much to do about word definitions, my poking was more about 'family values' and previous references to such BS make believe nostalgia.

And since this is getting even farther away from the subject of the 800lb panda, I will leave it at that...
 
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I'm just saying. Between the United States and China, tough call.

I have done business with Chinese companies before, and in my experience, they are like normal people from any industrial town. The one I knew best got squeaky excited over the dragon boat races, and you'd think it was like Christmas or Mardi Gras for her. I could imagine living next-door to such a person. The people that live there are just regular folk.

The Chinese government is kind of like the government of the United States...sometimes, I agree with them...other times, not so much.
 
When you can't even defeat Afghanistan after 20 years its ...
Par for the course. USA has simply added its name to every other country that has ever tried to "defeat Afghanistan" (win in Afghanistan)
NONE of them have ever prevailed. Except maybe in the RVonse imagination, where it is apparently a minimal accomplishment to "defeat Afghanistan".
It is confusing to me why people would want to live there. It's not the most ideal climate is it?
 

Harry Bosch

Contributor
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I'm just saying. Between the United States and China, tough call.

I have done business with Chinese companies before, and in my experience, they are like normal people from any industrial town. The one I knew best got squeaky excited over the dragon boat races, and you'd think it was like Christmas or Mardi Gras for her. I could imagine living next-door to such a person. The people that live there are just regular folk.

The Chinese government is kind of like the government of the United States...sometimes, I agree with them...other times, not so much.
Oh yea! Good post. The Chinese government is just like the American government. They are near clones. The US government is addicted to "disappearing" political dissidents. They seek to conquer neighborhood countries (I favor going after Canada, love Red Mountain and Whistler). The US government won't allow other political parties to run. The government never changes. The government allows free enterprise as long as you pay enough bribes to the governing party. If not, you get disappeared. Girls can accuse people of sexual harassment, unless it's against someone in the government. No freedom of speech is allowed (no freedom at all). The censorship police are very important. No rights for gays (we don't have them people). Yep, countries are exactly alike!
 
Well, I am not sure about clones, but I know enough about the Chinese that I am pretty sure that the Chinese people are not marching around in gray uniforms or anything weird like that. They are just trying to survive like everybody.
 

Harry Bosch

Contributor
Well, I am not sure about clones, but I know enough about the Chinese that I am pretty sure that the Chinese people are not marching around in gray uniforms or anything weird like that. They are just trying to survive like everybody.
Sorry, I was a little harsh. I love the Chinese people. I've been there several times. But their government is evil. There are no civil rights in China.
 
Well, I am not sure about clones, but I know enough about the Chinese that I am pretty sure that the Chinese people are not marching around in gray uniforms or anything weird like that. They are just trying to survive like everybody.
Sorry, I was a little harsh. I love the Chinese people. I've been there several times. But their government is evil. There are no civil rights in China.
I do not always agree with them.
 

Angra Mainyu

Veteran Member
Well, I am not sure about clones, but I know enough about the Chinese that I am pretty sure that the Chinese people are not marching around in gray uniforms or anything weird like that. They are just trying to survive like everybody.
Sorry, I was a little harsh. I love the Chinese people. I've been there several times. But their government is evil. There are no civil rights in China.
I do not always agree with them.
But that does not address Harry Bosch's points. You said earlier "The Chinese government is kind of like the government of the United States...sometimes, I agree with them...other times, not so much.". He is challenging the claim that they are "kind of like" each other, not your claim that sometimes you agree with them and sometimes you do not (which seems pretty obviously true, so no much point in challenging it).
 
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