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Do you think the GOP Cares About You?

The evidence is quite clear that they as nearly all GOP initiatives seems to introduce more big government for the average Joe, fake tax cuts, but less taxes and oversight for the wealthy and businesses.
 

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Do you think the GOP Cares About You?

The evidence is quite clear that they as nearly all GOP initiatives seems to introduce more big government for the average Joe, fake tax cuts, but less taxes and oversight for the wealthy and businesses.

The amount the GOP cares about any given conservative is directly proportional to the number of zeroes in that conservative's bank accounts.
 

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AFAICT, many conservatives think that if they could purchase all services through the market, instead of govt, they'd save money.
 

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AFAICT, many conservatives think that if they could purchase all services through the market, instead of govt, they'd save money.

But that never works. If the medic needs to process your credit card payment before bandaging up the wound that has you bleeding out in the street, you know he's just going to jack up the prices because you don't have time to shop around to competing ambulance-delivery corporations.
 

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Do you think the GOP Cares About You?

The evidence is quite clear that they as nearly all GOP initiatives seems to introduce more big government for the average Joe, fake tax cuts, but less taxes and oversight for the wealthy and businesses.

Most lower to middle class conservatives are morons. There's a guy here in town who drives around in an old POS chevy cavalier that has the back end covered with anti-liberal, pro-conservative bumper stickers. Obviously not wealthy and probably thinks he's being kept down by liberal policies.

ETA: this should probably be moved to the general politics forum.
 

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It's helpful to remember that half of the US population is of below-average intelligence, and heartening to know that Cheato didn't even get THAT many votes.
 

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Do you think the GOP Cares About You?

The evidence is quite clear that they as nearly all GOP initiatives seems to introduce more big government for the average Joe, fake tax cuts, but less taxes and oversight for the wealthy and businesses.

Most lower to middle class conservatives are morons. There's a guy here in town who drives around in an old POS chevy cavalier that has the back end covered with anti-liberal, pro-conservative bumper stickers. Obviously not wealthy and probably thinks he's being kept down by liberal policies.

ETA: this should probably be moved to the general politics forum.

Abortion and gay marriage. That's the stick that they use to lure in the lower class evangelical voters.
 

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AFAICT, many conservatives think that if they could purchase all services through the market, instead of govt, they'd save money.

I suspect they would. The problem is that not all services are practical to purchase through the market.
 

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Do you think the GOP Cares About You?

The evidence is quite clear that they as nearly all GOP initiatives seems to introduce more big government for the average Joe, fake tax cuts, but less taxes and oversight for the wealthy and businesses.

Most lower to middle class conservatives are morons. There's a guy here in town who drives around in an old POS chevy cavalier that has the back end covered with anti-liberal, pro-conservative bumper stickers. Obviously not wealthy and probably thinks he's being kept down by liberal policies.

Which is what I find so ironic about the rise of Trump in the so-called "party of personal responsibility." A party whose patron saint once said "government isn't the solution to your problems, government IS the problem" has chosen as their leader a man who said "don't worry, when I'm in charge of the government I'm going to fix everything for you."

No need to go back to school or train for a new career...nope. The government is going to bring back your coal mining job. The government is going to kick out all the illegal immigrants so you can finally get back to picking crops and cleaning hotel rooms. You don't have to pull yourself up by your bootstraps...just wait around until Trump brings back the jobs that "they" took from you.
 

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Do you think the GOP Cares About You?

What you may be missing, and I could be wrong, is that it doesn't seem to matter that the GOP doesn't really give a damn about the American people. This is about the politics of ignorance and spite. So what matters the most is that libtards have a stick thrust into their eye. So Trump runs the country into the toilet: so what? As long as liberals hate it, and as long as the potential exists to silence them, that's really what matters. It's about the desire to oppress others, to have their ignorance vindicated by a strongman who's as course and nescient as themselves. This pertains to the unassailable Trump supporters.

And those people are supported by conservatives who, if Stalin were running for POTUS on the GOP ticket, would vote for him over any Democrat. So throw that powerful kind of lockstep in and we get what we got.

Oh, and third party voters who refuse to acknowledge their culpability in this. Naderites still won't admit just how badly they fucked up by voting for him in 2000. Today's Green voters, and a significant segment of libertarians are just as unapologetic.
 

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Do you think the GOP Cares About You?

The evidence is quite clear that they as nearly all GOP initiatives seems to introduce more big government for the average Joe, fake tax cuts, but less taxes and oversight for the wealthy and businesses.

I thought all the parties produced fake tax cuts but did it a different way.
 

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This is about the politics of ignorance and spite. So what matters the most is that libtards have a stick thrust into their eye.
This.

Even if we're no better off after Trump, he hates the same people we hate, so if he sticks it to them, it's just LIKE we're better off...
 

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Do you think the GOP Cares About You?

The evidence is quite clear that they as nearly all GOP initiatives seems to introduce more big government for the average Joe, fake tax cuts, but less taxes and oversight for the wealthy and businesses.

I thought all the parties produced fake tax cuts but did it a different way.

That's not thinking, that's just a knee-jerk thoughtless false equivalency.
 

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That's not thinking, that's just a knee-jerk thoughtless false equivalency.

True. But coming from a furriner carrying a profound pro-Russian religious brainwashing bias, what do you expect?
 

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These people do not see themselves as part of any kind of society.

Other humans are just things to fuck over legally if you can.

If grandmothers are panhandling and dying on the streets that does not bother them.

As long as the dumb human dies off the street they have to drive through.

So they do not ask the government for anything more than to lower their taxes.
 

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That's not thinking, that's just a knee-jerk thoughtless false equivalency.

True. But coming from a furriner carrying a profound pro-Russian religious brainwashing bias, what do you expect?

That wasn't thinking, it was observing :) Vlad isn't my pin up boy just yet.
 

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Do you think the GOP Cares About You?

The evidence is quite clear that they as nearly all GOP initiatives seems to introduce more big government for the average Joe, fake tax cuts, but less taxes and oversight for the wealthy and businesses.

I thought all the parties produced fake tax cuts but did it a different way.


Bush's first round of tax cuts was aimed squarely at the 1%. The Democrats refused to support that and told Bush that if there was to be tax cuts it had to go mainly to the average working American. So we got our $300 and $600 tax cuts.

The later tax cuts went squarely to the rich and the Democrats couldn't stop it because the GOP supported that and controlled the House and Senate.
 

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I got news for you.

No politician cares for us little guys. The only thing they care about is money and power. Democrat or Republican or whatever alike.

We're just peons that they pee on.
 

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I got news for you.

No politician cares for us little guys. The only thing they care about is money and power. Democrat or Republican or whatever alike.

We're just peons that they pee on.

Even if that's true, Democrats still vote by-and-large for the little guy economically while Republicans don't.
 

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So Trump runs the country into the toilet: so what? As long as liberals hate it, and as long as the potential exists to silence them, that's really what matters. It's about the desire to oppress others, to have their ignorance vindicated by a strongman who's as course and nescient as themselves.

It has ever been thus, but the names have changed. Prior to the War of Northern Aggression, it was the negroes/slaves to whom the poor ignorant white man could point and say "I'm better than those sub-humans", making it acceptable if not palatable to be oppressed by the wealthy class. At that time, the wealthy were Democrats...
 

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I got news for you.

No politician cares for us little guys. The only thing they care about is money and power. Democrat or Republican or whatever alike.

We're just peons that they pee on.

And how do you know that? Do you know every single politician personally?
 

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I got news for you.

No politician cares for us little guys. The only thing they care about is money and power. Democrat or Republican or whatever alike.

We're just peons that they pee on.

I've met my fair share of politicians, and this is not always the case. A friend's wife ran for state representative because as a teacher she'd seen our state's education system go in the toilet and wanted to fight for schools in the legislature personally. A cousin of mine was canvassing neighborhoods for a state rep, and after hearing over and over again how out of touch the guy was with constituents, turned around and ran against him. He won in part because he listened to the people in his district.

A few years ago I had a candidate for the state house stop by and ask if she could put a campaign sign in my yard. I declined, but had a nice conversation with her. Like my friend's wife, she was running because she wanted to fix our broken education system. That personal touch helped, apparently, because while she didn't win that round she won the next election and is now my representative. I think that at the local and state level there are plenty of people like this...who get into politics out of more or less pure motivations.

I've also met a few self-serving folks who are as you described. My former US Congressman was a total windbag. Probably one of the phoniest people I've ever met.
 

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Most of the conservatives, Trump voters, and people who generally vote Republican that I know don't think the GOP cares about them, to answer your question.

It isn't a matter of the GOP caring about them so much as a matter of the GOP promising to get out of their way and so much as a strong dislike of Democrats mostly for social issues reasons.

That's what I get from my small sample of US GOP voters (and Trump voters) that I know.


PS - What is GOP (Grand Old Party?) supposed to mean?
 

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Most of the conservatives, Trump voters, and people who generally vote Republican that I know don't think the GOP cares about them, to answer your question.

It isn't a matter of the GOP caring about them so much as a matter of the GOP promising to get out of their way and so much as a strong dislike of Democrats mostly for social issues reasons.

That's what I get from my small sample of US GOP voters (and Trump voters) that I know.


PS - What is GOP (Grand Old Party?) supposed to mean?

It's just a nickname.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republican_Party_(United_States)#Name_and_symbols

The names for both of the current parties are sort of generic and non-controversial, meant to appeal to anyone.
 

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IF I were conservative, of course I'm not, my concern wouldn't be whether the GOP cared about me specifically per se. The problem is, they don't seem to care about anybody, or more importantly perhaps for a politician, anything. There is some admirable traits about the (former) conservative mindset. In the past 20 or 30 years or so, most Republicans have abandoned their conservative principles, with an especially rapid jumping ship in the last ten years, which was essentially completed when they hitched their wagon to Donald Trump. Conservatives didn't used to be anti-science or alternative facts. They had different outlooks than liberals of course, but they weren't quite so filled with irrational hate - they could also be reasonable.
 

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I got news for you.

No politician cares for us little guys. The only thing they care about is money and power. Democrat or Republican or whatever alike.

We're just peons that they pee on.

Even if that's true, Democrats still vote by-and-large for the little guy economically while Republicans don't.

Like Hillary being the poster child for Wallstreet billionaires and Saudi Arabian princes?

If that were true they would never have lost the vote of the working class people. Hillary really alienated them by her elitist out of touch attitude constantly insulting them for not being liberal.
 

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Even if that's true, Democrats still vote by-and-large for the little guy economically while Republicans don't.

Like Hillary being the poster child for Wallstreet billionaires and Saudi Arabian princes?

There is a significant difference. Twisting the arms of Saudi Princes for donations to a philanthropic organization is not the same as coddling dictators for personal gain.
 

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Like Hillary being the poster child for Wallstreet billionaires and Saudi Arabian princes?

There is a significant difference. Twisting the arms of Saudi Princes for donations to a philanthropic organization is not the same as coddling dictators for personal gain.

I see no difference but maybe some sophistry.
 

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I see no difference but maybe some sophistry.

Hillary Clinton was not a poster child for Wall Street billionaires.

She was a sell out, but then so is most of the Democratic party and pretty much all of the Republican party.

Hillary's corporate sell out weakness wasn't so much with voters on the right, as with voters on the left, especially juxtaposed with Bernie.
 

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Like Hillary being the poster child for Wallstreet billionaires and Saudi Arabian princes?

There is a significant difference. Twisting the arms of Saudi Princes for donations to a philanthropic organization is not the same as coddling dictators for personal gain.
Favours or monetary support can have habit of becoming reciprocal. While donations are not a problem it's very hard to avoid the possibility of a conflict of interest.
 

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Hillary Clinton was not a poster child for Wall Street billionaires.

She was a sell out, but then so is most of the Democratic party and pretty much all of the Republican party.

Hillary's corporate sell out weakness wasn't so much with voters on the right, as with voters on the left, especially juxtaposed with Bernie.

The extent to which they are "sell outs" depends on how much they've sold out their principles in exchange for money or promise of money. Some of these politicians, Hillary included, honestly believe that Wall St at the political table is good for America.
 

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Even if that's true, Democrats still vote by-and-large for the little guy economically while Republicans don't.

Like Hillary being the poster child for Wallstreet billionaires and Saudi Arabian princes?

If that were true they would never have lost the vote of the working class people. Hillary really alienated them by her elitist out of touch attitude constantly insulting them for not being liberal.

I'd far rather have a politician who is a "poster child" for wall street than a poster child for Russia and the biblical right wing.

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I see no difference but maybe some sophistry.

Hillary Clinton was not a poster child for Wall Street billionaires.

Agreed. She favored Dodd-Frank and was in discussion for additional regulations. Trump is in the process of dismantling Dodd-Frank. The difference between the two is pretty easy to see.
 

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I see no difference but maybe some sophistry.

Hillary Clinton was not a poster child for Wall Street billionaires.

It was under her husbands administration that the seeds for the mortgage crisis and then economic crisis were sewn.

She represented no significant check on corporate power.

Of course everyone is against corporate "crooks".

But nothing she proposed would have weakened the power of corporations to control the economy.
 

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Hillary Clinton was not a poster child for Wall Street billionaires.

It was under her husbands administration that the seeds for the mortgage crisis and then economic crisis were sewn.

She represented no significant check on corporate power.

Of course everyone is against corporate "crooks".

But nothing she proposed would have weakened the power of corporations to control the economy.

Under her husband's administration, Republicans controlled congress and she was first lady. I agree he was "for" and signed things he should not have. However, while she was Senator, she did somewhat stand up to corporations through being for regulation. Maybe not enough and I'd like a Bernie better in the White House. However, there is a stark difference between Democrats and Republicans. Let's not pretend they are the same. They're not.
 

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There is a significant difference. Twisting the arms of Saudi Princes for donations to a philanthropic organization is not the same as coddling dictators for personal gain.
Favours or monetary support can have habit of becoming reciprocal. While donations are not a problem it's very hard to avoid the possibility of a conflict of interest.


HAHAHAHA!!
"Possibility" of conflicts of interest pervade every single member of Congress, and are fucking PERSONIFIED by the creep in the Whitehouse.
 

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One of the largest reasons Hillary lost the working man's vote was because of her complete and utter disdain for them, in favor of corporate cronyism.

Funny though, now that trump is President those sources have dried up for her.
 

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All wars are banker's wars.

One of the largest reasons Hillary lost the working man's vote was because of her complete and utter disdain for them, in favor of corporate cronyism.

Funny though, now that trump is President those sources have dried up for her.

They have? Could you be more specific?
 

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One of the largest reasons Hillary lost the working man's vote was because of her complete and utter disdain for them, in favor of corporate cronyism.

Funny though, now that trump is President those sources have dried up for her.

They have? Could you be more specific?

 

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Bill Clinton announced the foundation was downsizing 22 August 2016 well before Trump became President:
Finally, the Clinton Global Initiative (CGI) has accomplished even more than I dreamed when it began in 2005, and we’ve made the decision that the Annual Meeting this September will be the last, and that we will no longer hold our CGI America meetings. Nine years ago in my book Giving, I wrote, “I want to continue these meetings for at least a decade, with the objective of creating a global network of citizen activists who reach across the divides of our interdependent world to build real communities of shared opportunities, shared responsibilities, and a genuine sense of belonging.” That is exactly what CGI, its members, and its dedicated staff have done.

We started CGI to create a new kind of community built around the new realities of our modern world, where problem-solving requires the active partnership of government, business, and civil society. We’ve brought together leaders from across sectors and around the world both to talk about our challenges, and to commit publicly to actually do something about them. It was something different, but our bet paid off: there was a hunger for the chance to make an impact that brought together people and organizations with the resources to make a difference with people who have the knowledge and experience to turn good ideas into action. Corporations, governments, and non-governmental organizations began combining their strengths and finding entirely new approaches to old problems. CGI quickly became an embodiment of what works best in the 21st-century world, and what has been behind all of the Clinton Foundation’s work since the very beginning: networks of cooperation.

This partnership model, which may seem self-evident today, was simply not how philanthropy and corporate responsibility worked over a decade ago. Today, members of the Clinton Global Initiative have made more than 3,500 commitments that are already improving over 430 million lives in more than 180 countries. These projects will continue to make an impact around the world and in the U.S. The idea that working together beats going it alone has caught on well beyond our CGI community.

It’s been one of the great honors of my life to be part of this special community, and I hope the hard work and benefits of CGI’s great staff and its members’ creative cooperation will keep rippling out into the world. The commitment model has been adopted by other forums and I hope that more will do so, or that new organizations will arise to do this work. While this year will be the last for the CGI Annual Meeting and CGI America, I hope and believe we can and should preserve CGI University (CGI U), our meeting that brings university students together to develop innovative solutions to important challenges in the U.S. and around the world.
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It was under her husbands administration that the seeds for the mortgage crisis and then economic crisis were sewn.

She represented no significant check on corporate power.

Of course everyone is against corporate "crooks".

But nothing she proposed would have weakened the power of corporations to control the economy.

Under her husband's administration, Republicans controlled congress and she was first lady. I agree he was "for" and signed things he should not have. However, while she was Senator, she did somewhat stand up to corporations through being for regulation. Maybe not enough and I'd like a Bernie better in the White House. However, there is a stark difference between Democrats and Republicans. Let's not pretend they are the same. They're not.

At the end of the day Trump is doing more to strengthen and unite the forces from middle to left than Hillary ever would have.
 

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I got news for you.

No politician cares for us little guys. The only thing they care about is money and power. Democrat or Republican or whatever alike.

We're just peons that they pee on.

I've met my fair share of politicians, and this is not always the case. A friend's wife ran for state representative because as a teacher she'd seen our state's education system go in the toilet and wanted to fight for schools in the legislature personally. A cousin of mine was canvassing neighborhoods for a state rep, and after hearing over and over again how out of touch the guy was with constituents, turned around and ran against him. He won in part because he listened to the people in his district.

A few years ago I had a candidate for the state house stop by and ask if she could put a campaign sign in my yard. I declined, but had a nice conversation with her. Like my friend's wife, she was running because she wanted to fix our broken education system. That personal touch helped, apparently, because while she didn't win that round she won the next election and is now my representative. I think that at the local and state level there are plenty of people like this...who get into politics out of more or less pure motivations.

I've also met a few self-serving folks who are as you described. My former US Congressman was a total windbag. Probably one of the phoniest people I've ever met.

Yup, there are a decent number of good people in politics at the lower levels. That's as far as they go, though, and most don't even get elected.
 
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