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Opinion | Will you fall into the conspiracy theory rabbit hole? Take our quiz and find out. - Washington Post

The quiz questions were on conspiracy theories, which ones does one believe. Some of the conspiracies are real and well-documented, others are poorly supported or discredited.

1: Jeffrey Epstein was murdered (50%); JFK was killed by a conspiracy (44%); the FBI spied on civil-rights leaders to discredit them (*); the world's real rulers are some secret group (35%)

2. Republicans cheated to win in 2000, 2004, 2016 (27%); Hillary Clinton sent nuclear-bomb materials to Russia (28%); during Reagan's presidency, some officials sold weapons to Iran and funded Nicaraguan revolutionaries with it (*); Obama faked his citizenship (birtherism) (20%)

3. Genetically-modified food dangers hidden (45%); US Gov't secretly dosed people with LSD in experiments (MKUltra) (*); the AIDS virus was genetically engineered on purpose (22%); the COVID-19 virus was genetically engineered on purpose (31%)

4. School shootings are "false flag" ops done by the gov't (17%); the number of Jews killed by the Nazis was exaggerated on purpose (15%); Satanic sex traffickers control the gov't (14%); None of them (*)

5. The US Gov't did not treat some black men's syphilis (the Tuskegee experiments) (*); Donald Trump faked his COVID-19 to get re-elected (26%); Donald Trump colluded with Russia to get elected (37%)

6. The Rothschilds control gov'ts with their wealth (29%); there is a "deep state" in our gov't (43%); fossil-fuel companies knew that global warming would happen and they spread misinformation to deflect blame (*)

Conspiracy theories often have this three-part form:
(Powerful people) (use deceitful or shadowy means) (to benefit themselves or harm the public)

In conclusion,
Congrats, you've aced this quiz! But even if the questions here were obvious to you, about 9 in 10 Americans would likely fail at least once — probably someone you know and love is one of them.

Even reasonable people fall for conspiracy theories. During George W. Bush’s presidency, half of Democrats said Bush let the 9/11 attacks happen so he could start wars. Two-thirds of Republicans believe the “big lie” — that the 2020 election was stolen from Donald Trump.

These theories have consequences. Since the 2020 election, Republicans have pursued election “audits” — recounts aimed at casting doubt on Joe Biden’s win. Other conspiracy theories, such as anti-vaccine narratives, threaten public health.

Eventually, you’ll run into a conspiracy theory that appeals to you politically or psychologically. So be careful and double-check your sources — or you could fall down the rabbit hole, too.
 

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The WaPo article noted
Do Conspiracy Beliefs Form a Belief System? Examining the Structure and Organization of Conspiracy Beliefs| Journal of Social and Political Psychology (open access; not paywalled)

They asked their subjects about belief in 20 conspiracy theories, looking for correlations between them and patterns among them. They found 6 clusters.

  1. Republicans' theories: HillaryNuke, Birther, Climate, Threat (COVID-19 exaggerated to hurt Trump)
  2. Strong antagonism (least supported): FalseFlag, Holocaust
  3. Science and medicine: AIDS, Anti-Vaxx, Bioweapon (COVID-19), 5G (the cellphone technology)
  4. Democrats' theories: Collusion, RepSteal, TrumpAsset
  5. (less well-defined) (moderate support): Rothschilds, SmallGroup, DeepState, JFK, GMOs
  6. "Easy" (highest support): Epstein, 1%
The fifth and sixth ones were close together, as were the first three. Overall clustering: (123 (4 56))

FalseFlag and Holocaust were close together relative to their branching from the others, as were Rothschilds and SmallGroup.
 

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The researchers then did a principal-components analysis, looking for dimensions of variation. They compared what they found to various features of the experimental subjects.

Partisanship and ideology were very close.

Nearly orthogonal to them was a set of fairly close axes: narcissism, Machiavellianism, psychopathy, tendency to spread false information, acceptance of violence. I'll call this set antisociality.

The Democratic theories (fourth one) and the Republican theories (first one) were in opposite directions on the partisanship axis, and they were roughly at the center in the antisociality axis, though on the Republican side, Birther and Climate were in the antisociality direction by a sizable fraction.

The other clusters were close to the center on the ideology axis. The least antisocial cluster was the sixth one (Epstein, 1% in increasing antisociality), followed by the fifth one (JFK, GMO's, DeepState, SmallGroup, Rothschilds, near the center of the axis). On the more antisocial side was the third cluster (5G at the center of the axis, Bioweapon, Anti-Vaxx, AIDS) and finally the second cluster, the most antisocial of all (FalseFlag, Holocaust).

So antisociality varied from Jeffrey Epstein being murdered (least antisocial) to Holocaust denial (most antisocial).

There was not much partisan variation in the four nonpartisan clusters, though 1% was toward the Democrats and Bioweapon, DeepState, JFK, and Epstein were toward the Republicans.

"Clusters 1, 2, and 3 are negatively related to trust in government, but cluster 6 is positively related (counter to expectations) and Clusters 4 and 5 are unrelated."
 

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I did the test and got 6/6. Does that mean that Aussies are less susceptible to conspiracy theories than yanks? (Or perhaps I am must so good :) )

It is disturbing to see have many believe some of those (to me at least) transparently ridiculous theories.
 

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2. Republicans cheated to win in 2000, 2004, 2016 (27%); Hillary Clinton sent nuclear-bomb materials to Russia (28%); during Reagan's presidency, some officials sold weapons to Iran and funded Nicaraguan revolutionaries with it (*); Obama faked his citizenship (birtherism) (20%)

Given the obvious right answer I got this but I consider there to be two correct answers here.

Republicans did cheat to win. Voter suppression is a form of cheating. Whether it was enough to tip the elections we do not know, but did you not cheat to win if cheated but would have won anyway without cheating? Would the college not say you cheated if your score without cheating still warranted an A and thus it didn't change your grade?
 

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You know, for some theories, the only 'analytical thinking' you really need is the ability to count.

I recently read someone's account of how each person in space depends heavily on thousands of support staff on the ground, constantly working and reworking all the things systems that are trying to fail and become a threat to all life on board. Food, water, air, navigation, the shitter, all just centimeters away from being 'The Thing That Killed Them.'

Then i thought about Capricorn 1, the movie where OJ Simpson was part of an effort to fake a manned expedition to Mars. The plot was that most of the world, and most of NASA, thought it was a real flight, but a few knew the spaceship had a lethal flaw. So they had a small cadre work to sneak the astronauts out of the rocket and film them from a set. Anyone who got close to the truth got disappeared.

But it would be hard to convince those thousands of support staff. "Hey, how come no one's complained about the taste of the water in a month?" or "I just realized the toilet's been turned the fuck off for the last three months." or "According to this, Peter's nightlight has been turned on continuously for seventeen weeks. But John's never, ever turned his on."

So all those people would have to be in on the conspiracy. As well as whoever covered for them during a vacation or emergency. And eventually, the conspiracy becomes so huge it shifts from intrigue to industry.



I saw a post about the scamdemic that starts:
Having worked in different aspects of law enforcement and intelligence for 47 years, I can state unequivocally that this campaign [COVID 19]...not a single whistle blower or defector, out of approx 3 or 4 thousand people at a minimum estimate, that have intimate and detailed inside knowledge, has come forward with the inside narrative concerning the ostensible genocide, being carried out in almost every country in the world. .... Not a single insider defector.
Good points, right? Thousands of people would be involved in scamming the entire world about C19 if it was a cover for nefarious agenda.

What does this individual decide, what does this evidence tell him?
Nothing has ever been kept that secret without defectors in world history ... so I look at the occult and theological. Certainly, there is circumstantial, photographic evidence of satanism, most notably Britain's preeminent banking family.

Oy gevalt. Inches away from a clue, then a sharp veer into the rabbit hole....
 

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Ohhh, I definitely didn't pass the quiz.

I find their standard of truth interesting here, as it appears you are "normal" if you believe in conspiracy theories that later turned out to be 100% true, but a "wacky conspiracy theorist" if you're reserving judgement on issues where accusations have been made but not yet proven? That's interesting, since it means that if you believed that the government might be using LSD to try and create psychic super-warriors in 1976, you were insane, but retroactively became normal in 2001 when the relevant documents were declassified. There's a lot of items that come down to a matter of perspective as well. Did Republicans cheat in various elections? Depends on whether you consider gerrymandering voting districts to achieve what you know to be non-representative Electors for your state to be a form of "cheating" or not. I do, but I can see why a Republican would choose not to. Both of us would have reasons for our beliefs, that have nothing to do with our willingness to suspend credulity. Gerrymandering isn't a secret, we just have a moral disagreement about whether it constitutes fair play.
 

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You know, for some theories, the only 'analytical thinking' you really need is the ability to count.

I recently read someone's account of how each person in space depends heavily on thousands of support staff on the ground, constantly working and reworking all the things systems that are trying to fail and become a threat to all life on board. Food, water, air, navigation, the shitter, all just centimeters away from being 'The Thing That Killed Them.'

Then i thought about Capricorn 1, the movie where OJ Simpson was part of an effort to fake a manned expedition to Mars. The plot was that most of the world, and most of NASA, thought it was a real flight, but a few knew the spaceship had a lethal flaw. So they had a small cadre work to sneak the astronauts out of the rocket and film them from a set. Anyone who got close to the truth got disappeared.

But it would be hard to convince those thousands of support staff. "Hey, how come no one's complained about the taste of the water in a month?" or "I just realized the toilet's been turned the fuck off for the last three months." or "According to this, Peter's nightlight has been turned on continuously for seventeen weeks. But John's never, ever turned his on."

While Capricorn 1 couldn't have been pulled off it wouldn't be exposed how you think.

Nothing modern has gone into space without at least one complete duplicate on the ground. (Very useful. When something goes Oh, shit! in space you can try doing things with the duplicate before you try it with the real hardware.)

Thus you put the crew on the duplicate and just about the whole support team is actually seeing a feed from the duplicate, not from the real spacecraft.
 

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Abbie Richards on Twitter: "Shaming people who believe illogical things just pushes them further into their radicalization networks. Disinformation is everywhere. We need to teach people how to spot it early.
This is my Conspiracy Chart. I think it helps. (pic link)" / Twitter

What's what in it:
  • Grounded in reality
  • Things that actually happened -- Big Tobacco lied about cancer, COINTELPRO (FBI effort to disrupt Sixties activist movements), Operation Mockingbird (CIA attempts to influence the news media), FBI and NSA spying, Tuskegee experiments (having black prison inmates go untreated to track the progress of their diseases)
  • Speculation line
  • We have questions -- Jeffrey Epstein didn't kill himself, conspiracies of deaths of JFK & Marilyn Monroe & Princess Diana, UFO's, Roswell NM, Area 51
  • Leaving reality
  • Unequivocally false but mostly harmless -- cryptids: Loch Ness monster & Bigfoot, crop circles, Elvis Presley is still alive, Greta Thunberg is a time traveler, ET's built ancient monuments like Stonehenge, Prince Charles is a vampire
  • Science denial
  • Dangerous to yourself and others -- gov't-made diseases, COVID-19 made in a lab, global-warming hoax, 5G wireless-system effects, anti-vaxxers, essential oils as great cures, chemtrails (airliner contrails spreading something or other)
  • Anti-Semitic point of no return
  • World ruled by supreme shadow 'elites." Once you believe one you usually believe most. Get help. -- "Antifa" starting wildfires, hollow Earth, Nazis on the Moon, Moon landings faked, PizzaGate, Obama birth certificate fake, Sandy hook fake, Satanic cult panic, Holocaust denial, Bill Gates microchipping, New World Order, white genocide, George Soros, "Cultural Marxism", reptilian overlords, flat Earth, Protocols of the Elders of Zion, Deep State, QAnon
  • Detached from reality
 

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Abbie Richards on Twitter: "Shaming people who believe illogical things just pushes them further into their radicalization networks. Disinformation is everywhere. We need to teach people how to spot it early.
This is my Conspiracy Chart. I think it helps. (pic link)" / Twitter

What's what in it:
  • Grounded in reality
  • Things that actually happened -- Big Tobacco lied about cancer, COINTELPRO (FBI effort to disrupt Sixties activist movements), Operation Mockingbird (CIA attempts to influence the news media), FBI and NSA spying, Tuskegee experiments (having black prison inmates go untreated to track the progress of their diseases)
  • Speculation line
  • We have questions -- Jeffrey Epstein didn't kill himself, conspiracies of deaths of JFK & Marilyn Monroe & Princess Diana, UFO's, Roswell NM, Area 51
  • Leaving reality
  • Unequivocally false but mostly harmless -- cryptids: Loch Ness monster & Bigfoot, crop circles, Elvis Presley is still alive, Greta Thunberg is a time traveler, ET's built ancient monuments like Stonehenge, Prince Charles is a vampire
  • Science denial
  • Dangerous to yourself and others -- gov't-made diseases, COVID-19 made in a lab, global-warming hoax, 5G wireless-system effects, anti-vaxxers, essential oils as great cures, chemtrails (airliner contrails spreading something or other)
  • Anti-Semitic point of no return
  • World ruled by supreme shadow 'elites." Once you believe one you usually believe most. Get help. -- "Antifa" starting wildfires, hollow Earth, Nazis on the Moon, Moon landings faked, PizzaGate, Obama birth certificate fake, Sandy hook fake, Satanic cult panic, Holocaust denial, Bill Gates microchipping, New World Order, white genocide, George Soros, "Cultural Marxism", reptilian overlords, flat Earth, Protocols of the Elders of Zion, Deep State, QAnon
  • Detached from reality
What do you call the influence of civil servants over elected officials: Officials like James Clapper or Comey who sit in powerful positions, who don't leave when presidents do and who watch presidents come and go? These un-elected bureaucrats who influence policy and influence our elected president!.

They are collectively called the "deep state", you do not have to believe in the Protocols of Elders of Zion to know that they most certainly do exist! And if you do not believe me just ask Senate leader Chuck Schumer...................

“Let me tell you, you take on the intelligence community, they have six ways from Sunday at getting back at you,” Schumer told MSNBC's Rachel Maddow.

You have to be detached from reality NOT to believe in the deep state.
 

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You have to be detached from reality NOT to believe in the deep state.
Because all government information is not made public hardly means there is this thing called deep state. But if you really, really, really, really believe there is such an animal would it be too much for me to ask when deep state actually started?
 

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What do you call the influence of civil servants over elected officials: Officials like James Clapper or Comey who sit in powerful positions, who don't leave when presidents do and who watch presidents come and go? These un-elected bureaucrats who influence policy and influence our elected president!.
You answered your own question, bureaucrats and the 'intelligence community'.

They are collectively called the "deep state", you do not have to believe in the Protocols of Elders of Zion to know that they most certainly do exist! And if you do not believe me just ask Senate leader Chuck Schumer...................

“Let me tell you, you take on the intelligence community, they have six ways from Sunday at getting back at you,” Schumer told MSNBC's Rachel Maddow.

You have to be detached from reality NOT to believe in the deep state.
The problem with your posts relative to what often seems to be The Deep State, is that you often imply that it is well organized and has a specific agenda. And you usually introduce TDS to create a narrative around stuff that far more simply is just how things turned out verses your envisioned conspiracy.
 

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“Let me tell you, you take on the intelligence community, they have six ways from Sunday at getting back at you,” Schumer told MSNBC's Rachel Maddow.

The awesome thing about that statement is you can replace "intelligence community," with just about anything:
Jews;
Muslims;
Unions;
Corporations;
Employees;
Catholic Church;
Evangelicals;
Mainstream Media;
Establishment;
Students;
Hollywood;
actors from the play Cats.

There are deep states everywhere!
 

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And don't forget the Boy Scouts. You guys think those jamborees are jamborees? Go fish!
 

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You have to be detached from reality NOT to believe in the deep state.
Because all government information is not made public hardly means there is this thing called deep state. But if you really, really, really, really believe there is such an animal would it be too much for me to ask when deep state actually started?
IMO there has been a slow but steady evolution since the beginning of the CIA (Trumans term) but really picking up speed during the Bush Jr. formation of the Department of Homeland Security and NSA branches. People who supposedly work for the POTUS and/or congress but are not really accountable to anyone or anything since they can not be fired. Certainnly not the citizens of the US. Example: James Clapper lying to congress under oath with no consequence because of his kingly powers in government..

When you can tell me why James Clapper is celebrated for lying to congress while Snowden is the criminal for being the truth teller I will adjust my position that there is really no "deep state" worth worrying about.,
 

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The problem with your posts relative to what often seems to be The Deep State, is that you often imply that it is well organized and has a specific agenda. And you usually introduce TDS to create a narrative around stuff that far more simply is just how things turned out verses your envisioned conspiracy.
They absolutely DO have a specific agenda. To make sure they continue their own selfish power and job security. And considering their most generous pensions much greater than the average US working wage.....I do not blame them.
 

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The problem with your posts relative to what often seems to be The Deep State, is that you often imply that it is well organized and has a specific agenda. And you usually introduce TDS to create a narrative around stuff that far more simply is just how things turned out verses your envisioned conspiracy.
They absolutely DO have a specific agenda. To make sure they continue their own selfish power and job security. And considering their most generous pensions much greater than the average US working wage.....I do not blame them.
First, US Federal employees, stopped having pension rights if they started working after 1985. That put them in the FERS program, pretty much a 401k.

Of course people have agenda, but they don't have secret committees with leaders planning shit in secret. That would be akin to a 'deep state' apparatus. Nor do they all sing to the same tune. Nor do thousands of people cooperate to keep shit secret w/o a damn good reason, like real national security. And even then, it only lasts so long.
 

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What's what in it:
  • World ruled by supreme shadow 'elites." Once you believe one you usually believe most. Get help. -- "Antifa" starting wildfires, hollow Earth, Nazis on the Moon, Moon landings faked, PizzaGate, Obama birth certificate fake, Sandy hook fake, Satanic cult panic, Holocaust denial, Bill Gates microchipping, New World Order, white genocide, George Soros, "Cultural Marxism", reptilian overlords, flat Earth, Protocols of the Elders of Zion, Deep State, QAnon
  • Detached from reality
What do you call the influence of civil servants over elected officials: Officials like James Clapper or Comey who sit in powerful positions, who don't leave when presidents do and who watch presidents come and go? These un-elected bureaucrats who influence policy and influence our elected president!.

They are collectively called the "deep state", you do not have to believe in the Protocols of Elders of Zion to know that they most certainly do exist! And if you do not believe me just ask Senate leader Chuck Schumer...................

“Let me tell you, you take on the intelligence community, they have six ways from Sunday at getting back at you,” Schumer told MSNBC's Rachel Maddow.

You have to be detached from reality NOT to believe in the deep state.

While there are bureaucrats that continue from one administration to the next the control lies with the elected powers. Just look at how fast His Flatulence was able to corrupt so many parts of government. "Deep state" as envisioned by His Flatulence is correctly placed on that list.
 

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What category does the "Trump-Russian Collusion" belong in?
Not conspiracy, more right winger's disability to basic comprehension. You see, there was an investigation towards whether Russia actively tried to subvert the 2016 US election. The US Senate voted unanimously on the findings and key members of Trump's election campaign went to jail. There was never an investigation on whether Trump actively colluded with Russia and personally, I think he lacks the attention span (and most certainly the intelligence) to pull something like that off.

Hope that clears things up. Sorry this is so complicated for you to understand.
 

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What category does the "Trump-Russian Collusion" belong in?
Not conspiracy, more right winger's disability to basic comprehension. You see, there was an investigation towards whether Russia actively tried to subvert the 2016 US election. The US Senate voted unanimously on the findings and key members of Trump's election campaign went to jail. There was never an investigation on whether Trump actively colluded with Russia and personally, I think he lacks the attention span (and most certainly the intelligence) to pull something like that off.

Hope that clears things up. Sorry this is so complicated for you to understand.
OK, thanks for the update! Despite your hope, that doesn't quite clear things up though. I guess it is still too complicated for me to understand, so I hope you will be patient.

I just re-read the OP, and it does include the Trump-Russia Collusion (#5 in the OP list: Donald Trump colluded with Russia to get elected (37%)). I don't know how I missed it initially. Long day I guess!

I also found this article from Reuters:

Despite report findings, almost half of Americans think Trump colluded with Russia: Reuters/Ipsos poll

NEW YORK (Reuters) - Nearly half of all Americans still believe President Donald Trump worked with Russia to interfere in the 2016 presidential election, according to a new Reuters/Ipsos poll conducted after Special Counsel Robert Mueller cleared Trump of that allegation.

According to Barr’s summary released on Sunday, Mueller found no evidence that the Trump campaign conspired with Russia in the 2016 election, but did not exonerate the president on the question of obstructing the investigation.

The word conspired is used, so that seems to support the notion that the "Trump-Russian Collusion" is classified as a conspiracy, as opposed to "right winger's disability to basic comprehension". You also say there was no investigation on the collusion, but its called an "investigation" right there in the quote from the article (bolded).
 

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What category does the "Trump-Russian Collusion" belong in?
Not conspiracy, more right winger's disability to basic comprehension. You see, there was an investigation towards whether Russia actively tried to subvert the 2016 US election. The US Senate voted unanimously on the findings and key members of Trump's election campaign went to jail. There was never an investigation on whether Trump actively colluded with Russia and personally, I think he lacks the attention span (and most certainly the intelligence) to pull something like that off.

Hope that clears things up. Sorry this is so complicated for you to understand.
OK, thanks for the update! Despite your hope, that doesn't quite clear things up though. I guess it is still too complicated for me to understand, so I hope you will be patient.

I just re-read the OP, and it does include the Trump-Russia Collusion (#5 in the OP list: Donald Trump colluded with Russia to get elected (37%)). I don't know how I missed it initially. Long day I guess!

I also found this article from Reuters:

Despite report findings, almost half of Americans think Trump colluded with Russia: Reuters/Ipsos poll

NEW YORK (Reuters) - Nearly half of all Americans still believe President Donald Trump worked with Russia to interfere in the 2016 presidential election, according to a new Reuters/Ipsos poll conducted after Special Counsel Robert Mueller cleared Trump of that allegation.

According to Barr’s summary released on Sunday, Mueller found no evidence that the Trump campaign conspired with Russia in the 2016 election, but did not exonerate the president on the question of obstructing the investigation.

The word conspired is used, so that seems to support the notion that the "Trump-Russian Collusion" is classified as a conspiracy, as opposed to "right winger's disability to basic comprehension". You also say there was no investigation on the collusion, but its called an "investigation" right there in the quote from the article (bolded).

Myth: Mueller found “no collusion.”

Response: Mueller spent almost 200 pages describing “numerous links between the Russian government and the Trump Campaign.” He found that “a Russian entity carried out a social media campaign that favored presidential candidate Donald J. Trump and disparaged presidential candidate Hillary Clinton.” He also found that “a Russian intelligence service conducted computer-intrusion operations” against the Clinton campaign and then released stolen documents.
 

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What's what in it:
  • World ruled by supreme shadow 'elites." Once you believe one you usually believe most. Get help. -- "Antifa" starting wildfires, hollow Earth, Nazis on the Moon, Moon landings faked, PizzaGate, Obama birth certificate fake, Sandy hook fake, Satanic cult panic, Holocaust denial, Bill Gates microchipping, New World Order, white genocide, George Soros, "Cultural Marxism", reptilian overlords, flat Earth, Protocols of the Elders of Zion, Deep State, QAnon
  • Detached from reality
What do you call the influence of civil servants over elected officials: Officials like James Clapper or Comey who sit in powerful positions, who don't leave when presidents do and who watch presidents come and go? These un-elected bureaucrats who influence policy and influence our elected president!.

They are collectively called the "deep state", you do not have to believe in the Protocols of Elders of Zion to know that they most certainly do exist! And if you do not believe me just ask Senate leader Chuck Schumer...................

“Let me tell you, you take on the intelligence community, they have six ways from Sunday at getting back at you,” Schumer told MSNBC's Rachel Maddow.

You have to be detached from reality NOT to believe in the deep state.

While there are bureaucrats that continue from one administration to the next the control lies with the elected powers. Just look at how fast His Flatulence was able to corrupt so many parts of government. "Deep state" as envisioned by His Flatulence is correctly placed on that list.
According to Trump himself, as POTUS he could not negotiate normally with Russia because of the then ongoing Mueller investigation. If you recall that investigation was started by Comey using tactics lacking of honesty and integrity. Were it not for the actions of Comey, a much different set of circustances under Jeff Sessions would have left the office of POTUS much more intact. The elected POTUS could have more effectively performed his duties.

You can agree with what Comey did or not. But what you can not say is that Comey (by himself alone) was not responsible for the trajectory of the office of POTUS. Note that Comey was a career government bureaucrat NOT elected by the people. And note also that Comey probably acted alone but how do we really know when the initial evidence was a paid for fabrication of the Clinton establishment!
 

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What category does the "Trump-Russian Collusion" belong in?

It reduces to semantics, mainly what qualifies as “collusion”.
Some things are certain:
* Putin wanted Trump to win and tried to help him win.
* Trump knew Putin was trying to help him win and welcomed the help
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Some people consider that those two FACTS combined, amount to collusion.
Others contend that collusion must include face-to-face discussion and agreement about how such assistance would be rendered. (We don’t know that these discussions did NOT occur, since Trump held discussions with Putin that were unrecorded by anyone but Putin’s translators. But we can’t assume that they did occur, obviously)
Trump clearly stated that he would accept “help” from interfering foreign parties, and I consider that an admission of willingness to indulge in collusion. But willingness is not collusion. It’s just an identifier of a power-hungry scumbag.
 

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Thus you put the crew on the duplicate and just about the whole support team is actually seeing a feed from the duplicate, not from the real spacecraft.

But that'd be just as bad. Either the systems never break, which still rings alarm bells, or they claim a failure and the support team walks over to the duplicate to try to engineer a response and find....a closed set?
 

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What's what in it:
  • World ruled by supreme shadow 'elites." Once you believe one you usually believe most. Get help. -- "Antifa" starting wildfires, hollow Earth, Nazis on the Moon, Moon landings faked, PizzaGate, Obama birth certificate fake, Sandy hook fake, Satanic cult panic, Holocaust denial, Bill Gates microchipping, New World Order, white genocide, George Soros, "Cultural Marxism", reptilian overlords, flat Earth, Protocols of the Elders of Zion, Deep State, QAnon
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What do you call the influence of civil servants over elected officials: Officials like James Clapper or Comey who sit in powerful positions, who don't leave when presidents do and who watch presidents come and go? These un-elected bureaucrats who influence policy and influence our elected president!.

They are collectively called the "deep state", you do not have to believe in the Protocols of Elders of Zion to know that they most certainly do exist! And if you do not believe me just ask Senate leader Chuck Schumer...................

“Let me tell you, you take on the intelligence community, they have six ways from Sunday at getting back at you,” Schumer told MSNBC's Rachel Maddow.

You have to be detached from reality NOT to believe in the deep state.

While there are bureaucrats that continue from one administration to the next the control lies with the elected powers. Just look at how fast His Flatulence was able to corrupt so many parts of government. "Deep state" as envisioned by His Flatulence is correctly placed on that list.
According to Trump himself, as POTUS he could not negotiate normally with Russia because of the then ongoing Mueller investigation. If you recall that investigation was started by Comey using tactics lacking of honesty and integrity. Were it not for the actions of Comey, a much different set of circustances under Jeff Sessions would have left the office of POTUS much more intact. The elected POTUS could have more effectively performed his duties.

You can agree with what Comey did or not. But what you can not say is that Comey (by himself alone) was not responsible for the trajectory of the office of POTUS. Note that Comey was a career government bureaucrat NOT elected by the people. And note also that Comey probably acted alone but how do we really know when the initial evidence was a paid for fabrication of the Clinton establishment!
Read it again:
Myth: Mueller found “no collusion.”

Response: Mueller spent almost 200 pages describing “numerous links between the Russian government and the Trump Campaign.” He found that “a Russian entity carried out a social media campaign that favored presidential candidate Donald J. Trump and disparaged presidential candidate Hillary Clinton.” He also found that “a Russian intelligence service conducted computer-intrusion operations” against the Clinton campaign and then released stolen documents.

While Mueller was unable to establish a conspiracy between members of the Trump campaign and the Russians involved in this activity, he made it clear that “[a] statement that the investigation did not establish particular facts does not mean there was no evidence of those facts.” In fact, Mueller also wrote that the “investigation established that the Russian government perceived it would benefit from a Trump presidency and worked to secure that outcome, and that the Campaign expected it would benefit electorally from information stolen and released through Russian efforts.”

To find conspiracy, a prosecutor must establish a conspiracy between members of the Trump campaign and the Russians involved in this activity, he made it clear that “[a] statement that the investigation did not establish particular facts does not mean there was no evidence of those facts.” In fact, Mueller also wrote that the “investigation established that the Russian government perceived it would benefit from a Trump presidency and worked to secure that outcome, and that the Campaign expected it would benefit electorally from information stolen and released through Russian efforts.”

To find conspiracy, a prosecutor must establish beyond a reasonable doubt the elements of the crime: an agreement between at least two people, to commit a criminal offense and an overt act in furtherance of that agreement. One of the underlying criminal offenses that Mueller reviewed for conspiracy was campaign-finance violations. Mueller found that Trump campaign members Donald Trump Jr., Paul Manafort and Jared Kushner met with Russian nationals in Trump Tower in New York June 2016 for the purpose of receiving disparaging information about Clinton as part of “Russia and its government’s support for Mr. Trump,” according to an email message arranging the meeting. This meeting did not amount to a criminal offense, in part, because Mueller was unable to establish “willfulness,” that is, that the participants knew that their conduct was illegal. Mueller was also unable to conclude that the information was a “thing of value” that exceeded $25,000, the requirement for campaign finance to be a felony, as opposed to a civil violation of law. But the fact that the conduct did not technically amount to conspiracy does not mean that it was acceptable. Trump campaign members welcomed foreign influence into our election and then compromised themselves with the Russian government by covering it up.

Mueller found other contacts with Russia, such as the sharing of polling data about Midwestern states where Trump later won upset victories, conversations with the Russian ambassador to influence Russia’s response to sanctions imposed by the U.S. government in response to election interference, and communications with Wikileaks after it had received emails stolen by Russia. While none of these acts amounted to the crime of conspiracy, all could be described as “collusion.”
 

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What category does the "Trump-Russian Collusion" belong in?
Not conspiracy, more right winger's disability to basic comprehension. You see, there was an investigation towards whether Russia actively tried to subvert the 2016 US election. The US Senate voted unanimously on the findings and key members of Trump's election campaign went to jail. There was never an investigation on whether Trump actively colluded with Russia and personally, I think he lacks the attention span (and most certainly the intelligence) to pull something like that off.

Hope that clears things up. Sorry this is so complicated for you to understand.

Yeah. I don't think His Flatulence is actually guilty of all that much--he's too stupid and out of it. He's a bit player and a massive puppet. I think somebody near him is working for Moscow, though.
 

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What category does the "Trump-Russian Collusion" belong in?

It reduces to semantics, mainly what qualifies as “collusion”.
Some things are certain:
* Putin wanted Trump to win and tried to help him win.
* Trump knew Putin was trying to help him win and welcomed the help
.
Some people consider that those two FACTS combined, amount to collusion.
Others contend that collusion must include face-to-face discussion and agreement about how such assistance would be rendered. (We don’t know that these discussions did NOT occur, since Trump held discussions with Putin that were unrecorded by anyone but Putin’s translators. But we can’t assume that they did occur, obviously)
Trump clearly stated that he would accept “help” from interfering foreign parties, and I consider that an admission of willingness to indulge in collusion. But willingness is not collusion. It’s just an identifier of a power-hungry scumbag.

I don't think collusion requires a face-to-face meeting. I do think it requires some sort of agreement, though. He welcomed the help but I doubt he made any real agreement about it. (Someone in his circle, though....he's too incompetent to be a Manchurian candidate, but a handler manipulating him is another matter.)
 

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Thus you put the crew on the duplicate and just about the whole support team is actually seeing a feed from the duplicate, not from the real spacecraft.

But that'd be just as bad. Either the systems never break, which still rings alarm bells, or they claim a failure and the support team walks over to the duplicate to try to engineer a response and find....a closed set?

They don't go to the duplicate over every little issue. They go to the duplicate when they want to know "is X possible?" For example, rigging the scrubbers on Apollo 13--and even then that was done mostly with duplicate equipment (here's what they have, figure out how to rig it), not duplicate hardware. The actual use of the duplicates has more been a Mars thing--can the rover make this maneuver? Things like directing Spirit's camera to figure out what it was stuck on.

It could have been exposed that way, but that's by no means certain.
 

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I don't think collusion requires a face-to-face meeting. I do think it requires some sort of agreement, though. He welcomed the help but I doubt he made any real agreement about it. (Someone in his circle, though....he's too incompetent to be a Manchurian candidate, but a handler manipulating him is another matter.)

There was “some sort of agreement”; a tacit one at least. But there was more - even data sharing with Ruskies.

The basic problem arises from a mistaken assumption on the Founders’ part, that the public would consistently prefer persons of principle to represent them if given the choice.
 

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I don't think collusion requires a face-to-face meeting. I do think it requires some sort of agreement, though. He welcomed the help but I doubt he made any real agreement about it. (Someone in his circle, though....he's too incompetent to be a Manchurian candidate, but a handler manipulating him is another matter.)

There was “some sort of agreement”; a tacit one at least. But there was more - even data sharing with Ruskies.

The basic problem arises from a mistaken assumption on the Founders’ part, that the public would consistently prefer persons of principle to represent them if given the choice.

I don't think they made an agreement with him. He would be too likely to screw it up. While I think there's an agreement it's with a handler in his circle, not with him directly.
 

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Where is the evidence for the "deep state"? It's not enough to point out that intelligence agencies like the CIA are often very secretive. They have to be as part of their work.

I once saw the theory that Trump was opposed by the deep state. But it would have been a simple matter for the deep state to depose him and put someone more compliant in his place.

Imagine someone from the deep state, someone I'll call Deepak, who gets tasked with doing so. In early 2019, he researches the impeachment process, noting that it involves the House making an indictment and the Senate doing a trial. He considers what might be good to charge Trump with, and he calls up Nancy Pelosi, Kevin McCarthy, Chuck Schumer, and Mitch McConnell about doing so. None of them like the idea, especially not the Republicans. The Democrats don't like the idea of impeaching the President for something that is not very big. But Deepak sweetens the pot by offering some help for their re-election campaigns, and they get interested.

The Democrats say "Sure thing. We can whip the votes for you." The Republicans take more persuading, but in the end, they agree. They'll also whip some votes.

So they go ahead, the House voting to indict Trump, and the Senate then trying Trump and finding him guilty.

Deepak looks on as Trump is ordered to pack his bags and leave the White House. Trump can cry in his beer all he wants in Mar-a-Lago, Deepak thinks, and he also thinks about how much more pliant Mike Pence will be.
 

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Include me among those who detest this quiz. The mere fact that a "conspiracy theory" hasn't been proven does NOT show that it has been DIS-proven!

Many scholars with relevant PhDs as well as five now-deceased Supreme Court Justices think that Wm Shaksper of Stratford did not write the plays and poems. Are they all wrong just because Wikipedia says so?

In 1915 Albert Einstein predicted* starlight deflection of 1.7 arc-seconds during a solar eclipse; this was confirmed in 1919. During the intervening 4 years was Einstein's theory a false "Conspiracy theory"?
Republicans cheated to win in 2000, 2004, 2016 (27%)
Yes they did, depending on how you define cheating. Setting up the "false-flag" lie in 2004 that deflected Dubya's AWOL crimes into a slur on Dan Rather is just one of several examples. To say "21st-century Ds do it too" shows ignorance.
3. Genetically-modified food dangers hidden (45%)
Yes, ecological damage is a serious danger. It wouldn't be "hidden" except for the concerted efforts, by both the left and the right, to suppress discussion of such dangers
Donald Trump colluded with Russia to get elected (37%)
It is certain that Russia deliberately helped him. Trump did ask for such help on national TV. Top Trumpists like Jared and Junior did meet with Russian officials. The claim that "collusion was debunked" hinges mainly on lies from the traitor Bill Barr, which FoxNews and Alex Jones were happy to embrace and which the "Lame-stream Media" was too lame to push back against.

Bah, humbug! It's crap like this quiz that makes me lose respect for U.S. media. I get my news from Reuters, Al-jazeera etc. The best U.S. news network is the Comedy Network!

* - Historical note: Einstein initially predicted half that deflection — the same result as with Newtonian physics. Efforts were made from 1911 to 1914 to confirm this with new observations and by studying old observations. Fortunately for Einstein — who might have been discredited along with his theory — those efforts were unsuccessful. In 1915 Einstein found his math error, and published the 1.7 arc-second prediction, twice the Newtonian value.
 

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I was wrong on one of the questions. It was the genetically modified food has dangerous properties that is hidden from the public.

I was wrong because my dumbass didn’t read the question fully.
 

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I don't think collusion requires a face-to-face meeting. I do think it requires some sort of agreement, though. He welcomed the help but I doubt he made any real agreement about it. (Someone in his circle, though....he's too incompetent to be a Manchurian candidate, but a handler manipulating him is another matter.)

There was “some sort of agreement”; a tacit one at least. But there was more - even data sharing with Ruskies.

The basic problem arises from a mistaken assumption on the Founders’ part, that the public would consistently prefer persons of principle to represent them if given the choice.

I don't think they made an agreement with him. He would be too likely to screw it up. While I think there's an agreement it's with a handler in his circle, not with him directly.
You mean like when Trump confirmed the Israeli spy thing when trying to deny he told the Russians about the deeply embedded spy Israel had in ISIS?

I'd say the most concerning issue with Trump and Russia was the secret tete-a-tete with Putin, and a translator. There is really no way Trump was qualified to handle a meeting like that. I hope I live long enough to read the debriefing.
 

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You mean like when Trump confirmed the Israeli spy thing when trying to deny he told the Russians about the deeply embedded spy Israel had in ISIS?

I'd say the most concerning issue with Trump and Russia was the secret tete-a-tete with Putin, and a translator. There is really no way Trump was qualified to handle a meeting like that. I hope I live long enough to read the debriefing.

Both these were mind-boggingly bad. Trump's only defense against charges of treason in either case is to plead gross stupidity. In a way it didn't matter whether he was a traitor or an imbecile; he should have been removed from office ASAP in either case. But the Cabinet had been filled with crooks, morons and sycophants so there was no 25th Amendment solution. When the House finally got around to impeaching him they charged him only with a misdemeanor phone call.

And when General Mark Milley (CJCS) revealed that he had averted the risk of nuclear war under the imbecile/traitor by telephoning his Chinese counterpart in January, the media — both its fake wing and its lame wing — condemned Milley, rather than praising him for circumventing the imbecile/traitor!


... But I don't know what "de-briefing" Mr. Higgins refers to. Any remarks by the imbecile/traitor — if he even remembers the incident at all — will be lies. Vladimir Putin would be so overwhelmed by the situation's hilarity he could hardly utter his lies for the laughs. Is somebody going to kidnap Putin's personal interpreter?
 

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It is presumed that Trump’s interpreter from the meeting would have been debriefed after that meeting between Trump and Putin. The one leaves looking exhausted and put out and Putin smiling like it was Xmas.
 

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From a 2019 article:
As a result, U.S. officials said there is no detailed record, even in classified files, of Trump’s face-to-face interactions with the Russian leader at five locations over the past two years. Such a gap would be unusual in any presidency, let alone one that Russia sought to install through what U.S. intelligence agencies have described as an unprecedented campaign of election interference.

It is presumed that Trump’s interpreter from the meeting would have been debriefed after that meeting between Trump and Putin. The one leaves looking exhausted and put out and Putin smiling like it was Xmas.
Trump was the only American present at one meeting, with Putin's interpreter doing the Russian-to-English. There was an American interpreter present at most of the meetings, but not at one. An article on the Helsinki meeting mentions another meeting in Osaka:
Similar questions were raised after the disclosure of an unplanned conversation with Putin during a G-20 dinner in Osaka, Japan, in June 2019 during which Trump was not accompanied by an interpreter.

He had told reporters beforehand that his private discussions with Putin were "none of your business."
That meeting is also mentioned by Vox:
This isn’t the first time Trump has done this. During the G20 meeting in Germany in July 2017, he got up from his seat during a dinner in order to sit next to Putin, who did have his translator to help. That meeting, which the White House didn’t initially reveal, came just hours after Trump bought Putin’s denial that Russia didn’t intervene in the 2016 presidential election.
 

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3. Genetically-modified food dangers hidden (45%)
Yes, ecological damage is a serious danger. It wouldn't be "hidden" except for the concerted efforts, by both the left and the right, to suppress discussion of such dangers

Strawman. Ecological damage is a serious issue. That doesn't mean GMOs are.
 

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I heard a hilarious one last week by a Qdpie. The reason Trump was hanging around with Epstein and Maxwell was to get close to investigate their pedophelia. o_O
 

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Yes, ecological damage is a serious danger. It wouldn't be "hidden" except for the concerted efforts, by both the left and the right, to suppress discussion of such dangers
Strawman. Ecological damage is a serious issue. That doesn't mean GMOs are.

About 100% of all relevant scientists do understand that GMO's pose ecological risk. A question is whether the benefits of GMO outweigh the risks, but that question is not the topic of this sub-debate. (The answer to the question "Can guns kill?" is Yes, even if a father intelligently decides he wants his son to go hunting with him.)

And even if only 30% (instead of 100%) of relevant scientists thought there were ecological risks, they wouldn't constitute a "conspiracy theory" unless proven wrong.

There's zillions of webpages to help. Here's the first Google hit:
 

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Yes, ecological damage is a serious danger. It wouldn't be "hidden" except for the concerted efforts, by both the left and the right, to suppress discussion of such dangers
Strawman. Ecological damage is a serious issue. That doesn't mean GMOs are.

About 100% of all relevant scientists do understand that GMO's pose ecological risk. A question is whether the benefits of GMO outweigh the risks, but that question is not the topic of this sub-debate. (The answer to the question "Can guns kill?" is Yes, even if a father intelligently decides he wants his son to go hunting with him.)

And even if only 30% (instead of 100%) of relevant scientists thought there were ecological risks, they wouldn't constitute a "conspiracy theory" unless proven wrong.

There's zillions of webpages to help. Here's the first Google hit:

Let's look at your source.

In attacking GMOs I note the case of the Indiana farmer being presented when supposedly talking about ecological danger. Sorry, but that case is purely about economics. You don't trot out obviously invalid arguments when you have good ones.
 

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Yes, ecological damage is a serious danger. It wouldn't be "hidden" except for the concerted efforts, by both the left and the right, to suppress discussion of such dangers
Strawman. Ecological damage is a serious issue. That doesn't mean GMOs are.

About 100% of all relevant scientists do understand that GMO's pose ecological risk. A question is whether the benefits of GMO outweigh the risks, but that question is not the topic of this sub-debate. (The answer to the question "Can guns kill?" is Yes, even if a father intelligently decides he wants his son to go hunting with him.)

And even if only 30% (instead of 100%) of relevant scientists thought there were ecological risks, they wouldn't constitute a "conspiracy theory" unless proven wrong.

There's zillions of webpages to help. Here's the first Google hit:

Let's look at your source.

In attacking GMOs I note the case of the Indiana farmer being presented when supposedly talking about ecological danger. Sorry, but that case is purely about economics. You don't trot out obviously invalid arguments when you have good ones.

As I say, that article was just the first Google hit. If we have a serious debate on this topic in another thread. expect better articles. (Or find them yourself with Google.)

But even from this article, YOU cherry-picked an example you found refutable.
From the very same article:
The worst-case scenario sometimes portrayed is that such genes could escape into plants outside cultivation, creating super weeds (weeds resistant to herbicides) or otherwise altering a plant’s ecosystem role or relative fitness (as shown in squash) due to toxicity, growth habits, or nutrient value, with cascading ecosystem effects and potential agricultural problems.
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If the ["Terminator"] gene enters a population of an endangered species, it would likely increase extinction risk. This example in particular stresses that a single GM trait can have varied effects, some of which extend beyond ecology and health, and affect the viability and sustainability of GMO and non-GMO farmers.
This article may not be particularly doom-and-gloom — add "doom and gloom" to the Google search terms if needed :) — but I think it confirms that GMO's do pose some ecological risk.
 
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