Cop Shoot Unarmed Man Crawling From Wreckage Of His Vehicle - No Charges

[fast]

My jadedness with this subject has definitely grown over the years. However, having recently eyewitnessed one case of an arrest with a very sketchy situation, and not a single bullet fired, not a single punch thrown... there are effective cops out there. They just don't make the news... because there is nothing special to report. They did their job right. The alleged criminal will go on trial, not be put in a body bag. The family of the alleged criminal will think as they need to, and not suing the city of $10 million. The papers... need to report on something more interesting.

Sure, but now have another member of that police force wrongfully kill an unarmed person and I would bet my house that the cop(s) you witnessed would be right there helping to circle the wagons around their fellow officer.

Which makes them just as bad imo.

Bad yes, but "just as"? That has never sit well with me. If I witness a murder and don't report it, am I just as bad? Bad maybe (maybe), but "just as" seems to be going too far.

 

[Crazy Eddie]

Sure, but now have another member of that police force wrongfully kill an unarmed person and I would bet my house that the cop(s) you witnessed would be right there helping to circle the wagons around their fellow officer.

Which makes them just as bad imo.

Bad yes, but "just as"? That has never sit well with me. If I witness a murder and don't report it, am I just as bad?

As a witness, no. There are all kinds of reasons why a normal person might keep quiet about having seen a murder or a heinous crime.

It is different matter when the person who commits the crime is a member of your organization; when you are aware of the crime committed, but go out of your way not to report it or even prevent the report from getting out for concern of how that crime will reflect on you and your organization. A killer walks free, and is free to kill again, this time knowing he can do so with impunity because his fellow officers will cover for him.

It makes you "just as bad" because you are, in essence, protecting the right of your fellow officers to commit murder and get away with it. This is not acceptable.

 

[fast]

Bad yes, but "just as"? That has never sit well with me. If I witness a murder and don't report it, am I just as bad?

As a witness, no. There are all kinds of reasons why a normal person might keep quiet about having seen a murder or a heinous crime.

It is different matter when the person who commits the crime is a member of your organization; when you are aware of the crime committed, but go out of your way not to report it or even prevent the report from getting out for concern of how that crime will reflect on you and your organization. A killer walks free, and is free to kill again, this time knowing he can do so with impunity because his fellow officers will cover for him.

It makes you "just as bad" because you are, in essence, protecting the right of your fellow officers to commit murder and get away with it. This is not acceptable.

Not acceptable, sure. Heck, I might even concede to a "nearly as bad", but just as a get-away driver might be held to the sand standards we might the robbers of a bank, I couldn't conclude, morally speaking, that the driver is just as bad as the robbers, especially if the robbers killed someone. Helping you cover up your ugly deeds might be not just bad but very bad, and the deeds of who committed the deeds might very well be very bad as well, but so long as there's a difference (and surely there's a difference between ugly deeds committed by one and the ugly deed of helping to cover it up), I have qualms with equating them as one and the same. The qualitative distinction should reflect the factual difference, not just a lumping of near bad deeds together as if identical morally speaking.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

It was a felony chase. If he runs its sensible for police to assume the perp is armed and dangerous. However, that doesn't mean the cop should act like a terminator.

But it was a suspected DUI. If the officer thought there was danger, could be argued, why in the hell did he approach the car and did not seem to make a single effort to be under cover?

These fucking wussy cowboy cops are making officers look like pussies/killers.

You normally can't approach while staying behind cover. That's rarely a realistic option.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

But it was a suspected DUI. If the officer thought there was danger, could be argued, why in the hell did he approach the car and did not seem to make a single effort to be under cover?

These fucking wussy cowboy cops are making officers look like pussies/killers.

You normally can't approach while staying behind cover. That's rarely a realistic option.

Then call for fucking cover!

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

My jadedness with this subject has definitely grown over the years. However, having recently eyewitnessed one case of an arrest with a very sketchy situation, and not a single bullet fired, not a single punch thrown... there are effective cops out there. They just don't make the news... because there is nothing special to report. They did their job right. The alleged criminal will go on trial, not be put in a body bag. The family of the alleged criminal will think as they need to, and not suing the city of $10 million. The papers... need to report on something more interesting.

Sure, but now have another member of that police force wrongfully kill an unarmed person and I would bet my house that the cop(s) you witnessed would be right there helping to circle the wagons around their fellow officer.

Which makes them just as bad imo.

You are arguing against Police who haven't done so. Some have, some may, but you can't just broadbrush... so umm... broadly.

 

[Crazy Eddie]

As a witness, no. There are all kinds of reasons why a normal person might keep quiet about having seen a murder or a heinous crime.

It is different matter when the person who commits the crime is a member of your organization; when you are aware of the crime committed, but go out of your way not to report it or even prevent the report from getting out for concern of how that crime will reflect on you and your organization. A killer walks free, and is free to kill again, this time knowing he can do so with impunity because his fellow officers will cover for him.

It makes you "just as bad" because you are, in essence, protecting the right of your fellow officers to commit murder and get away with it. This is not acceptable.

Not acceptable, sure. Heck, I might even concede to a "nearly as bad", but just as a get-away driver might be held to the sand standards we might the robbers of a bank, I couldn't conclude, morally speaking, that the driver is just as bad as the robbers, especially if the robbers killed someone. Helping you cover up your ugly deeds might be not just bad but very bad, and the deeds of who committed the deeds might very well be very bad as well, but so long as there's a difference (and surely there's a difference between ugly deeds committed by one and the ugly deed of helping to cover it up), I have qualms with equating them as one and the same. The qualitative distinction should reflect the factual difference, not just a lumping of near bad deeds together as if identical morally speaking.

Fair point.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

You normally can't approach while staying behind cover. That's rarely a realistic option.

Then call for fucking cover!

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