Court again blocks Obama's plan to protect undocumented migrants

[TSwizzle]

The Guardian's headline is a hoot;

Barack Obama’s executive action to shield millions of undocumented immigrants from deportation has suffered a legal setback with an appeal to the supreme court now the administration’s only option.

A 2-1 decision by the fifth US circuit court of appeals in New Orleans has upheld a previous injunction – dealing a blow to Obama’s plan, which is opposed by Republicans and challenged by 26 states.

theguardian.com

"undocumented migrants" indeed. Just like robbing a bank is "an undocumented cash withdrawal".

 

[Trausti]

This is a simple separation of powers issue. There is no genuine dispute that the President cannot rewrite laws he disagrees with. What is perplexing is that after openly acknowledging that he would bypass Congress (and hence the Constitution), Obama takes offense that his actions are challenged. What a sap.

 

[dismal]

It will all hinge on what constitutes a "rewrite" versus an interpretation of how to enforce.

 

[maxparrish]

The Guardian's headline is a hoot;

Barack Obama’s executive action to shield millions of undocumented immigrants from deportation has suffered a legal setback with an appeal to the supreme court now the administration’s only option.

A 2-1 decision by the fifth US circuit court of appeals in New Orleans has upheld a previous injunction – dealing a blow to Obama’s plan, which is opposed by Republicans and challenged by 26 states.

theguardian.com

"undocumented migrants" indeed. Just like robbing a bank is "an undocumented cash withdrawal".

Did I mention that my next door neighbor is an undocumented doctor, undocumented druggist, and undocumented pilot? I wonder if foreign citizens are just undocumented Americans? Why not?

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

This is a simple separation of powers issue. There is no genuine dispute that the President cannot rewrite laws he disagrees with. What is perplexing is that after openly acknowledging that he would bypass Congress (and hence the Constitution), Obama takes offense that his actions are challenged. What a sap.

Not as much as the party who had the White House and both chambers of Congress and couldn't even come close to putting forth an immigration reform bill.

 

[KeepTalking]

The Guardian's headline is a hoot;



theguardian.com

"undocumented migrants" indeed. Just like robbing a bank is "an undocumented cash withdrawal".

Did I mention that my next door neighbor is an undocumented doctor, undocumented druggist, and undocumented pilot? I wonder if foreign citizens are just undocumented Americans? Why not?

So, you neighbor is practicing medicine, dispensing drugs, and flying airplanes without the proper documents, and you have not yet informed the police? How odd.

 

[dismal]

This is a simple separation of powers issue. There is no genuine dispute that the President cannot rewrite laws he disagrees with. What is perplexing is that after openly acknowledging that he would bypass Congress (and hence the Constitution), Obama takes offense that his actions are challenged. What a sap.

Not as much as the party who had the White House and both chambers of Congress and couldn't even come close to putting forth an immigration reform bill.

Wouldn't that mean the laws we have stay in effect?

 

[maxparrish]

Did I mention that my next door neighbor is an undocumented doctor, undocumented druggist, and undocumented pilot? I wonder if foreign citizens are just undocumented Americans? Why not?

So, you neighbor is practicing medicine, dispensing drugs, and flying airplanes without the proper documents, and you have not yet informed the police? How odd.

Why inform the police, I thought being undocumented was merely a lack of having a useless piece of paper...like "undocumented migrants".

 

[maxparrish]

This is a simple separation of powers issue. There is no genuine dispute that the President cannot rewrite laws he disagrees with. What is perplexing is that after openly acknowledging that he would bypass Congress (and hence the Constitution), Obama takes offense that his actions are challenged. What a sap.

Not as much as the party who had the White House and both chambers of Congress and couldn't even come close to putting forth an immigration reform bill.

So the party that controlled Congress decides to leave current laws in place, and they are "a sap" because they couldn't stop King Obama from seizing legislative power?

At least Hugo asked his legislature to grant him the power to make decrees with the force of law. Obviously folks who call the US a banana republic are actually insulting banana republics.

 

[bilby]

Not as much as the party who had the White House and both chambers of Congress and couldn't even come close to putting forth an immigration reform bill.

So the party that controlled Congress decides to leave current laws in place, and they are "a sap" because they couldn't stop King Obama from seizing legislative power?

At least Hugo asked his legislature to grant him the power to make decrees with the force of law. Obviously folks who call the US a banana republic are actually insulting banana republics.

I agree completely; Your country sucks. I am amazed you stay.

 

[jonatha]

So the party that controlled Congress decides to leave current laws in place, and they are "a sap" because they couldn't stop King Obama from seizing legislative power?

At least Hugo asked his legislature to grant him the power to make decrees with the force of law. Obviously folks who call the US a banana republic are actually insulting banana republics.

I agree completely; Your country sucks. I am amazed you stay.

In the People's Republic of San Francisco, no less...

 

[maxparrish]

I agree completely; Your country sucks. I am amazed you stay.

In the People's Republic of San Francisco, no less...

One must make a sacrifice when one lives in the world's most pleasant climate. Living outside of SF provides 72 degree days, mainly sunny skies, little wind, and nights that never frost.

Besides, I enjoy vexing my liberal friends with smelling salt doses of reality.

 

[jonatha]

In the People's Republic of San Francisco, no less...

One must make a sacrifice when one lives in the world's most pleasant climate.

I thought you lived in San Francisco, not on Maui....

 

[maxparrish]

One must make a sacrifice when one lives in the world's most pleasant climate.

I thought you lived in San Francisco, not on Maui....

Climate, I suppose, is a matter of taste. If I lived in SF itself (rather than the SF Bay Area) my accolades over weather would be far less rosy - the fog, wind, and biting cold is best conveyed by the saying "The coldest winter I ever spent was a summer in SF". But I am NE, across the bay and just out of the fog belt. I can't think of more perfect weather for me (don't like heat so much).

Look up the climate of the El Sobrante Valley...as near perfect as it gets (for me). Maui is too warm and humid for my taste.

 

[laughing dog]

Besides, I enjoy vexing my liberal friends with smelling salt doses of reality.

What a polite euphemism.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Interesting, Obama wants the violent criminal illegal immigrants to leave. Right-wing wants all of them to leave. This means that criminal illegals can stay longer because they are further back in line.

 

[maxparrish]

Interesting, Obama wants the violent criminal illegal immigrants to leave. Right-wing wants all of them to leave. This means that criminal illegals can stay longer because they are further back in line.

Except, of course, Obama is, at best, mildly interested in deportation of felons. His sudden discovery, after Congress decided to defer creating new immigration laws, that he couldn't deport anyone other than the worst felons was...well... convenient? And perhaps Obama decided to issue green cards and legal status because this would make felons so envious that they would leave the US in a huff?

Lame excuse.

 

[ronburgundy]

So, you neighbor is practicing medicine, dispensing drugs, and flying airplanes without the proper documents, and you have not yet informed the police? How odd.

Why inform the police, I thought being undocumented was merely a lack of having a useless piece of paper...like "undocumented migrants".

No, as with all language, the meaning and implication of words is determined by the context and the other words used with it. It is an objective fact that these people are migrants. Having documentation is neither necessary nor sufficient to be a migrant, nor does it have anything to do with whether the migrant has been verified to have the proper training to perform the defining tasks of a "migrant" in a safe manner in according with scientifically based principles. In contrast, that is precisely what "documented" means in relation to being a druggist, doctor, or pilot, and in fact, by definition, one cannot be a doctor without that documentation, whereas one can be a migrant without it.

Of course, technically, they are also illegal migrants but that is no more accurate or valid a label than undocumented migrant. Your real issue is that you don't have rational arguments, so you want to use as emotionally charged language as possible to stir up anger and fear. Thus, you put forth objectively false analogies to try an disparage people from using factual but non-emotionally charged language.

 

[bilby]

Besides, I enjoy vexing my liberal friends with smelling salt doses of reality.

What a polite euphemism.

Smelling salts work by stinking so bad that they trigger the recoil-in-disgust reflex.

I'd say it was a pretty good analogy. For a given value of 'reality'.

 

[maxparrish]

Why inform the police, I thought being undocumented was merely a lack of having a useless piece of paper...like "undocumented migrants".

No, as with all language, the meaning and implication of words is determined by the context and the other words used with it. ...

Of course, technically, they are also illegal migrants but that is no more accurate or valid a label than undocumented migrant. Your real issue is that you don't have rational arguments, so you want to use as emotionally charged language as possible to stir up anger and fear. Thus, you put forth objectively false analogies to try an disparage people from using factual but non-emotionally charged language.

They are also illegal immigrants, unlawful migrants, illegal aliens, and illegal border crossers (or unlawful visa violators). My real issue is that, as you said, words are chosen to convey a meaning in context - a context that you wish to sanitize, blurred of distinction.

If I walk into my vacant apartment and discover a squatter, I could chose to describe them as "undocumented residents", stripping out the meaning of their transgression with "sanitized" word choices. Or I could describe them without the muddy euphemisms and call them what they are: squatters and trespassers needing arrested and "deported" from my apartment.

The fact is, these so-called "undocumented" migrants are violators of one or more federal statutes such as not entering the United States through border station (a civil misdemeanor). Repeat offenders are felons. As far as I know the charges for such violations are not for being an "undocumented" migrant - they are for illegal acts, not missing paperwork.

But then, we know what the porous border, amnesty cheerleading, import more poverty and voting Democrats lobby is really up to, don't we? We know what the Chamber of Commerce, restaurants, landscaper, and fruit and veggie farmer is wanting, right?

Hence, your boosterism using newspeak ingsock Orwellian drivel - the pretense that an illegal is just someone who forgot to pick-up documents rather than breaking US law.

Nice try, old chap.