# Covid-19 miscellany

#### Worldtraveller

##### Veteran Member
“MODERNA VACCINE CONTAINS "LUCIFERIN" IN A 66.6 SOLUTION. YOU CAN'T MAKE THIS STUFF UP
You also can never quite teach people that the Number of the Beast is not any combination of three sixes. 66.6 is not the same as Six Hundred Sixty Six. So even if this IS a significant number in the solution, it's not a Biblically Significant number.
Reminds me of the idiot in Porky's talking about 'KITE flying weather.' You're too stupid to be this superstitious, siddown.
Actually, they can, and did, make this up.

#### TomC

##### Celestial Highness
Staff member
Jeezus, these mask zealots take things way too seriously and blow things out of proportion.
By "mask zealots" are you referring to the people who think that wearing one is anti-freedom? The ones who also think that taking steps to stop the epidemic, like vaccination, is anti-democracy? Because that's who I think are the mask zealots. They're the people who make masking and such needed. If everyone who could get vaccinated did so we wouldn't need low tech ways to slow the spread of the C19 virus. It could be over by now! We'd have reached herd immunity and get the economy going again and open up social venues and all that.

But, no. There are mask and vaccine zealots who insist on keeping the mess we're all struggling with going. Because freedumb. Those are the irrational zealots, who are willing to keep America from Becoming Great Again, by preventing the economy and health care system and society from recovering.

Tom

##### Loony Running The Asylum
Staff member
A couple without masks film themselves going into a store. Very likely they were hoping for a confrontation so they could get some 'oppression cred'. The shop owner told them to get out, and the unmasked woman shoved the shop owner. Turned into a fight.

The couple showed the video to the police to press charges, and were surprised to find that they got arrested for assault.

Here's the full video that includes their interactions with the cops. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

#### Angra Mainyu

##### Veteran Member
Sense of smell is returning back. I can smell alcohol again and other stuff smells stronger now, have not tried vinegar though.
7 days since first symptoms.

Good to hear.
About smell, I am not sure that was real. I mean not measurement error. Looks like it just fluctuates due to different probably external factors.
It looks like it's a mild to moderate case, and you're getting better.
I hope so, so far all parameters look normal and very stable, especially temperature exactly 36.8C for 2+ days.
My understanding is that respiratory problems develop from much more serious symptoms. All I have now is coughing and it does not get worse (or better)
Yeah, no fever is a very good sign afaik. The coughing might be annoying if persistent. Can you get something for that, until you fully recover ?

#### barbos

##### Contributor
Yeah, no fever is a very good sign afaik. The coughing might be annoying if persistent. Can you get something for that, until you fully recover ?
Coughing is not bad, I could go for hours without it, then cough couple times and and that's it. Ocationaly it's more than couple of coughs.
It's much worse during ordinary common cold.

#### Angra Mainyu

##### Veteran Member
Yeah, no fever is a very good sign afaik. The coughing might be annoying if persistent. Can you get something for that, until you fully recover ?
Coughing is not bad, I could go for hours without it, then cough couple times and and that's it. Ocationaly it's more than couple of coughs.
It's much worse during ordinary common cold.

I see, not so bad then.
It seems to me that overall it hasn't been worse than an ordinary case of the flu, and you're getting better. Good to hear.

#### TomC

##### Celestial Highness
Staff member
This reminds me, painfully, of many conversations I've had.

Like when a Christian tells me:

"I don't believe in Darwinism. There just isn't enough evidence, maybe Darwin made it up. How could we tell?
But...
Jesus Rose from the Dead. That's obvious! It says so right in Scripture."
Tom

#### SigmatheZeta

##### Senior Member
A couple without masks film themselves going into a store. Very likely they were hoping for a confrontation so they could get some 'oppression cred'. The shop owner told them to get out, and the unmasked woman shoved the shop owner. Turned into a fight.

The couple showed the video to the police to press charges, and were surprised to find that they got arrested for assault.

Here's the full video that includes their interactions with the cops. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

#### TomC

##### Celestial Highness
Staff member
A couple without masks film themselves going into a store. Very likely they were hoping for a confrontation so they could get some 'oppression cred'. The shop owner told them to get out, and the unmasked woman shoved the shop owner. Turned into a fight.

The couple showed the video to the police to press charges, and were surprised to find that they got arrested for assault.

Here's the full video that includes their interactions with the cops. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

Jeezus, these mask zealots take things way too seriously and blow things out of proportion.

Tom

#### SigmatheZeta

##### Senior Member
I am pleased to say that I have stayed well above this entire thing. I wear a mask where the signs say I ought to, and they make more sense to me than shoes, to be honest. I used to go into restaurants barefoot during the summertime, but then somebody pointed out that this was strictly not allowed in restaurants in my state. I had not known that, at the time, and it sounded genuinely zany to me. Yes, I have heard the defenses for this law, and the masks still actually make more sense to me. The argument on behalf of the shoes is that feet spread diseases, but so do shoes. I wash my feet every day while my shoes would literally fall apart if I washed them that often. Between the two rules, the mask wins for me. People say they don't like having their faces covered. Well, I don't like having my feet covered, but I'm not going to die on that hill.

It's a pandemic, and it's really not all that weird to me that people want to make new laws to protect themselves during a pandemic. All of the measures that we are taking, put together, do seem to be working.

Chiu N, Chi H, Tai Y, Peng C, Tseng C, Chen C, Tan B, Lin C
Impact of Wearing Masks, Hand Hygiene, and Social Distancing on Influenza, Enterovirus, and All-Cause Pneumonia During the Coronavirus Pandemic: Retrospective National Epidemiological Surveillance Study
J Med Internet Res 2020;22(8):e21257
URL: https://www.jmir.org/2020/8/e21257
DOI: 10.2196/21257

and...

Steffen E. Eikenberry, Marina Mancuso, Enahoro Iboi, Tin Phan, Keenan Eikenberry, Yang Kuang, Eric Kostelich, Abba B. Gumel,
To mask or not to mask: Modeling the potential for face mask use by the general public to curtail the COVID-19 pandemic,
Infectious Disease Modelling,
Volume 5,
2020,
Pages 293-308,
ISSN 2468-0427,

But what do they know? They are just highly educated scientists, after all.

I would wear a mask just because they asked me to, though. I am a guest in somebody else's space. Following other people's house rules, when you are in their space, is just what you do. It's not about being safe for me, but it's about respect.

##### Loony Running The Asylum
Staff member

Yah, that'll work.

##### Loony Running The Asylum
Staff member
A US appeals court has temporarily blocked President Joe Biden's plans for a vaccine mandate for businesses.

The law would require workers at private companies with more than 100 employees to get fully vaccinated against Covid-19 or be tested weekly.
But the court found "grave statutory and constitutional" issues with the rule, set to be introduced in January.

It said it was suspending the mandate and gave the Biden administration until Monday to respond.
Five Republican-led states - Texas, Louisiana, Mississippi, South Carolina and Utah - as well as private companies and religious groups, had filed legal challenges against the mandate.

They accused the president of overstepping his authority.

#### TSwizzle

##### Let's go Brandon!
*sigh* Drunk on power, the nutters in LA County roll out even more stupid mandates;

Los Angeles will expand the nation's already strictest vaccine mandates as the city add several midsize venues to its list of places that require proof of vaccination to enter. Beginning Monday, the city will launch SafePassLA, expanding the vaccine mandate to include indoor and outdoor venues that have between 5,000 to 9,999 attendees. Officials will begin enforcement at the impacted places, such as museums and concert halls and convention centers, beginning November 29 to give required locations time to adjust.
'We've spent too much time placing restrictions on people who did their part by getting vaccinated and wearing their masks,' Council President Nury Martinez said during the City Council's process approving the ordinance. 'We need to both limit the transmission of the virus as well as make it inconvenient for those who are unvaccinated to access indoor venues and put lives at jeopardy. The stakes are too high.' In LA county of roughly 10 million people, 72 percent of those 12-years-old and up are fully vaccinated, according to public health officials. LA Mayor Eric Garcetti, who tested positive for the coronavirus last week while attending the United Nations climate change conference, hopes the mandate will increase the vaccination rate and make businesses safer for employees and customers.

DailyMail

From "two weeks to flatten the curve" to "SHOW ME YOUR PAPERS, SWINE!!".

Fuck them, I will not comply.

#### Don2 (Don1 Revised)

##### Contributor
A couple without masks film themselves going into a store. Very likely they were hoping for a confrontation so they could get some 'oppression cred'. The shop owner told them to get out, and the unmasked woman shoved the shop owner. Turned into a fight.

The couple showed the video to the police to press charges, and were surprised to find that they got arrested for assault.

Here's the full video that includes their interactions with the cops. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

That was very disturbing.

#### blastula

##### Contributor
*sigh* Drunk on power, the nutters in LA County roll out even more stupid mandates;

Los Angeles will expand the nation's already strictest vaccine mandates as the city add several midsize venues to its list of places that require proof of vaccination to enter. Beginning Monday, the city will launch SafePassLA, expanding the vaccine mandate to include indoor and outdoor venues that have between 5,000 to 9,999 attendees. Officials will begin enforcement at the impacted places, such as museums and concert halls and convention centers, beginning November 29 to give required locations time to adjust.
'We've spent too much time placing restrictions on people who did their part by getting vaccinated and wearing their masks,' Council President Nury Martinez said during the City Council's process approving the ordinance. 'We need to both limit the transmission of the virus as well as make it inconvenient for those who are unvaccinated to access indoor venues and put lives at jeopardy. The stakes are too high.' In LA county of roughly 10 million people, 72 percent of those 12-years-old and up are fully vaccinated, according to public health officials. LA Mayor Eric Garcetti, who tested positive for the coronavirus last week while attending the United Nations climate change conference, hopes the mandate will increase the vaccination rate and make businesses safer for employees and customers.

DailyMail

From "two weeks to flatten the curve" to "SHOW ME YOUR PAPERS, SWINE!!".

Fuck them, I will not comply.

Note to self: be on lookout for viral video of incoherent anti-mandate British karen.

#### blastula

##### Contributor
I got a Moderna booster on Friday, and it felt just like the J&J one I got earlier. For me they were both like having covid except without the coughing and congestion, plus arm pain. Started to feel sick Friday night, was down for the count most of Saturday, then perfectly fine on Sunday, like Jesus.

#### Jimmy Higgins

##### Contributor
*sigh* Drunk on power, the nutters in LA County roll out even more stupid mandates;

Los Angeles will expand the nation's already strictest vaccine mandates as the city add several midsize venues to its list of places that require proof of vaccination to enter. Beginning Monday, the city will launch SafePassLA, expanding the vaccine mandate to include indoor and outdoor venues that have between 5,000 to 9,999 attendees. Officials will begin enforcement at the impacted places, such as museums and concert halls and convention centers, beginning November 29 to give required locations time to adjust.
'We've spent too much time placing restrictions on people who did their part by getting vaccinated and wearing their masks,' Council President Nury Martinez said during the City Council's process approving the ordinance. 'We need to both limit the transmission of the virus as well as make it inconvenient for those who are unvaccinated to access indoor venues and put lives at jeopardy. The stakes are too high.' In LA county of roughly 10 million people, 72 percent of those 12-years-old and up are fully vaccinated, according to public health officials. LA Mayor Eric Garcetti, who tested positive for the coronavirus last week while attending the United Nations climate change conference, hopes the mandate will increase the vaccination rate and make businesses safer for employees and customers.

DailyMail

From "two weeks to flatten the curve" to "SHOW ME YOUR PAPERS, SWINE!!".

Fuck them, I will not comply.
I have to wear a mask at Playhouse Square not because of state or municipal regs, but because tens of millions of idiots didn't get vaccinated which has prolonged this pandemic. That you are upset at municipalities for the ridiculous stupidity of Americans that refuse to help solve the problem is just a sign of how bitter you are politically.

#### TomC

##### Celestial Highness
Staff member
Fuck them, I will not comply.

"I'm old enough to drink. My taxes paid for that road. I bought my car. I've got insurance.
I'm too drunk to walk home, and I'm not leaving my car here in the parking lot of some bar.

Fuck them, I will not comply."

Tom

#### TSwizzle

##### Let's go Brandon!
I have to wear a mask at Playhouse Square not because of state or municipal regs, but because tens of millions of idiots didn't get vaccinated which has prolonged this pandemic. That you are upset at municipalities for the ridiculous stupidity of Americans that refuse to help solve the problem is just a sign of how bitter you are politically.

That you go along with the charade is just a sign of how willfully ignorant you really are. These mandates are not about concern for people's health or science. It's about power drunk autocrats exerting their neuroses over ordinary people and virtue signaling wankers wagging their fingers in disapproval at the out group.

#### Jimmy Higgins

##### Contributor
I have to wear a mask at Playhouse Square not because of state or municipal regs, but because tens of millions of idiots didn't get vaccinated which has prolonged this pandemic. That you are upset at municipalities for the ridiculous stupidity of Americans that refuse to help solve the problem is just a sign of how bitter you are politically.
That you go along with the charade is just a sign of how willfully ignorant you really are. These mandates are not about concern for people's health or science. It's about power drunk autocrats exerting their neuroses over ordinary people and virtue signaling wankers wagging their fingers in disapproval at the out group.
Yeah, that is nothing short of paranoia, mixed with flavor of the day right-wing buzzwords.

The idea of not wearing a mask as some sort of righteous maneuver of freedom, that in not wearing the mask, you are protecting yourself from tyranny has got to be way up there in the clouds of delusion.

WWII Vet: I stormed the beaches of Normandy.
TSwizzle: I refused to wear a mask.
WWII Vet: You do realize my age group are the ones at greatest risk.
TSwizzle: Fuck you, you freedom hating, virtue signaling wanker!

#### TSwizzle

##### Let's go Brandon!
The idea of not wearing a mask as some sort of righteous maneuver of freedom, that in not wearing the mask, you are protecting yourself from tyranny has got to be way up there in the clouds of delusion.

I don't wear a mask because it does heehaw to "stop the spread". You know this and yet you (and others) persist with this line of response.

#### Jimmy Higgins

##### Contributor
The idea of not wearing a mask as some sort of righteous maneuver of freedom, that in not wearing the mask, you are protecting yourself from tyranny has got to be way up there in the clouds of delusion.

I don't wear a mask because it does heehaw to "stop the spread". You know this and yet you (and others) persist with this line of response.
It reduces the potential of spread form someone positive and wearing a mask. Masks aren't the best, distance is. Masks are the imperfect compromise.

We saw large scale representation of this as large regional George Floyd protests that had most people masked, did not lead to upticks in new cases regionally, while Florida and the south picked up in new cases with their fuck science pandemic plan.

#### T.G.G. Moogly

I got a Moderna booster on Friday, and it felt just like the J&J one I got earlier. For me they were both like having covid except without the coughing and congestion, plus arm pain. Started to feel sick Friday night, was down for the count most of Saturday, then perfectly fine on Sunday, like Jesus.
My moderna booster was a nothing-burger. Got a little queezy the next afternoon but that only lasted a couple hours. I expected worse.

#### TomC

##### Celestial Highness
Staff member
The idea of not wearing a mask as some sort of righteous maneuver of freedom, that in not wearing the mask, you are protecting yourself from tyranny has got to be way up there in the clouds of delusion.

I don't wear a mask because it does heehaw to "stop the spread". You know this and yet you (and others) persist with this line of response.
I do not know this.

It's a low tech method of slowing the spread. Combining it with other low tech methods, like distancing and sanitizer, are much more effective.
Much more convenient and effective is getting vaccinated. If everyone who could had done so months ago, we'd be past this inconvenient crap. We wouldn't need masking and such, if we reached a reasonable level of herd immunity.

But we aren't at that level of protection, because so many people refuse to get vaccinated. That's the bottom line. Our freedoms are in danger because so many plague rats believe that their assessment of vaccines are better than Fauci and the CDC assessments.
Tom

#### Loren Pechtel

##### Super Moderator
Staff member
*sigh* Drunk on power, the nutters in LA County roll out even more stupid mandates;

Los Angeles will expand the nation's already strictest vaccine mandates as the city add several midsize venues to its list of places that require proof of vaccination to enter. Beginning Monday, the city will launch SafePassLA, expanding the vaccine mandate to include indoor and outdoor venues that have between 5,000 to 9,999 attendees. Officials will begin enforcement at the impacted places, such as museums and concert halls and convention centers, beginning November 29 to give required locations time to adjust.
'We've spent too much time placing restrictions on people who did their part by getting vaccinated and wearing their masks,' Council President Nury Martinez said during the City Council's process approving the ordinance. 'We need to both limit the transmission of the virus as well as make it inconvenient for those who are unvaccinated to access indoor venues and put lives at jeopardy. The stakes are too high.' In LA county of roughly 10 million people, 72 percent of those 12-years-old and up are fully vaccinated, according to public health officials. LA Mayor Eric Garcetti, who tested positive for the coronavirus last week while attending the United Nations climate change conference, hopes the mandate will increase the vaccination rate and make businesses safer for employees and customers.

DailyMail

From "two weeks to flatten the curve" to "SHOW ME YOUR PAPERS, SWINE!!".

Fuck them, I will not comply.

You still haven't addressed the comparison to drunk driving. Never mind that Covid is far more deadly.

#### Loren Pechtel

##### Super Moderator
Staff member
The idea of not wearing a mask as some sort of righteous maneuver of freedom, that in not wearing the mask, you are protecting yourself from tyranny has got to be way up there in the clouds of delusion.

I don't wear a mask because it does heehaw to "stop the spread". You know this and yet you (and others) persist with this line of response.

It does heehaw to stop the spread when you wear a chin diaper.

If the mandate were N95/KN95/KF94 or $1k fine on the spot (as in you pay up or they haul you off to jail) Covid would long since be in the history books. It's the death cultists that mean you still need masks. #### TSwizzle ##### Let's go Brandon! Around 1,000 people showed up at city hall Los Angeles to protest LA County vaccine mandate. Hundreds of people gathered in downtown Los Angeles' Grand Park on Monday morning to protest against COVID-19 vaccination mandates enacted by the city and other government entities. The demonstration, dubbed the March for Freedom rally, was being held on the same day that the city's proof of full COVID-19 vaccination mandate, one of the strictest in the U.S., went into effect. ABC #### ZiprHead ##### Loony Running The Asylum Staff member Around 1,000 people showed up at city hall Los Angeles to protest LA County vaccine mandate. Hundreds of people gathered in downtown Los Angeles' Grand Park on Monday morning to protest against COVID-19 vaccination mandates enacted by the city and other government entities. The demonstration, dubbed the March for Freedom rally, was being held on the same day that the city's proof of full COVID-19 vaccination mandate, one of the strictest in the U.S., went into effect. ABC 1000 idiots. #### crazyfingers ##### Supermagnon Staff member You still haven't addressed the comparison to drunk driving. Never mind that Covid is far more deadly. It does not appear that he ever will. He can't. Either he says drunk driving is ok or he loses his shtick. #### barbos ##### Contributor The idea of not wearing a mask as some sort of righteous maneuver of freedom, that in not wearing the mask, you are protecting yourself from tyranny has got to be way up there in the clouds of delusion. I don't wear a mask because it does heehaw to "stop the spread". You know this and yet you (and others) persist with this line of response. It does heehaw to stop the spread when you wear a chin diaper. If the mandate were N95/KN95/KF94 or$1k fine on the spot (as in you pay up or they haul you off to jail) Covid would long since be in the history books. It's the death cultists that mean you still need masks.
Looks like 2 weeks of everybody actually following recommendations is enough to get rid of this pandemic completely.

#### TSwizzle

##### Let's go Brandon!
And protests in New Zealand;

New Zealand beefed up security measures at its parliament on Tuesday as thousands of people gathered to protest against COVID-19 vaccine mandates and government lockdowns. All but two entrances to the parliament building, known as the Beehive, were closed off in the presence of unprecedented levels of police and security personnel, as mostly unmasked protesters marched through central Wellington and congregated outside parliament.
Reuters

#### blastula

##### Contributor
I got a Moderna booster on Friday, and it felt just like the J&J one I got earlier. For me they were both like having covid except without the coughing and congestion, plus arm pain. Started to feel sick Friday night, was down for the count most of Saturday, then perfectly fine on Sunday, like Jesus.
My moderna booster was a nothing-burger. Got a little queezy the next afternoon but that only lasted a couple hours. I expected worse.

Yes, there is a broad range of reactions, and the intensity has no bearing on the protection produced, so shouldn't be concerned on that basis either way.

There was one difference between J&J and Moderna for me - the J&J gave me arm pain for over a week, while with the Moderna it was fine within 3 days.

#### bilby

##### Fair dinkum thinkum
Around 1,000 people showed up at city hall Los Angeles to protest LA County vaccine mandate.

Hundreds of people gathered in downtown Los Angeles' Grand Park on Monday morning to protest against COVID-19 vaccination mandates enacted by the city and other government entities.
The demonstration, dubbed the March for Freedom rally, was being held on the same day that the city's proof of full COVID-19 vaccination mandate, one of the strictest in the U.S., went into effect.
ABC
1000 idiots.
Fewer than 0.01% of the LA County population.

I would have expected more idiots than that. But perhaps I base that expectation on a particularly idiot-rich sample of residents.

#### bilby

##### Fair dinkum thinkum
And protests in New Zealand;

New Zealand beefed up security measures at its parliament on Tuesday as thousands of people gathered to protest against COVID-19 vaccine mandates and government lockdowns. All but two entrances to the parliament building, known as the Beehive, were closed off in the presence of unprecedented levels of police and security personnel, as mostly unmasked protesters marched through central Wellington and congregated outside parliament.
Reuters

NZ was Covid free and unrestricted (apart from a ban on non-essential international travel) until a couple of months ago. The kiwis haven't had time to have "had enough"; What they've had is American Trump following dickheads swamping their newsfeeds with horseshit, leading to tiny but vocal demonstrations that those same American Trump following dickheads are now blowing out of all proportion in support of their specious claims that people other than dickheads are opposed to public health measures.

##### Loony Running The Asylum
Staff member
And protests in New Zealand;

New Zealand beefed up security measures at its parliament on Tuesday as thousands of people gathered to protest against COVID-19 vaccine mandates and government lockdowns. All but two entrances to the parliament building, known as the Beehive, were closed off in the presence of unprecedented levels of police and security personnel, as mostly unmasked protesters marched through central Wellington and congregated outside parliament.
Reuters

FTFY

Staff member

#### TSwizzle

##### Let's go Brandon!
Los Angeles Times reports that thousands of people showed up outside LA City Hall to protest vaccine mandates;

Thousands of people gathered outside Los Angeles City Hall to protest COVID-19 vaccination mandates on Monday — the day the city began enforcing some of the nation’s strictest vaccination verification rules for businesses.

LA Times

These restrictions are completely without merit.

#### southernhybrid

##### Contributor
https://www.ucsf.edu/news/2020/06/4...eyes, a risk that masking does not eliminate.

How many times do we have to post links that demonstrate the effectiveness of masks in lowering the spread of a virus!

There are several strands of evidence supporting the efficacy of masks.

One category of evidence comes from laboratory studies of respiratory droplets and the ability of various masks to block them. An experiment using high-speed video found that hundreds of droplets ranging from 20 to 500 micrometers were generated when saying a simple phrase, but that nearly all these droplets were blocked when the mouth was covered by a damp washcloth. Another study of people who had influenza or the common cold found that wearing a surgical mask significantly reduced the amount of these respiratory viruses emitted in droplets and aerosols.

But the strongest evidence in favor of masks come from studies of real-world scenarios. “The most important thing are the epidemiologic data,” said Rutherford. Because it would be unethical to assign people to not wear a mask during a pandemic, the epidemiological evidence has come from so-called “experiments of nature.”

A recent study published in Health Affairs, for example, compared the COVID-19 growth rate before and after mask mandates in 15 states and the District of Columbia. It found that mask mandates led to a slowdown in daily COVID-19 growth rate, which became more apparent over time. The first five days after a mandate, the daily growth rate slowed by 0.9 percentage-points compared to the five days prior to the mandate; at three weeks, the daily growth rate had slowed by 2 percentage-points.

Masks aren't perfect, but there is plenty of evidence to support that they slow down the spread of infectious diseases. We used to have to wear them when I worked in a hospital many decades ago, if we had someone in isolation due to an infectious disease. As long as the mask is clean and it covers the nose and mouth, it's helpful. Only a fool or a person who lacks empathy, refuses to help slow a potentially dangerous infection from spreading in one's community.

Now, what's going on in Colorado? It's experiencing a high surge of COVID despite having a vaccine rate of over 80%. Is it that people need boosters or is it mostly the unvaccinated who are getting COVID? Does anyone know? I've read contradictory information. We know that the vaccine's effectiveness lasts for about 6-8 months. I've had my booster over a month ago. I haven't found any info in regards to the percentage of people who are fully vaccinated along with receiving a booster. Plus, I think the vaccine rate includes those who have only had one injection. We know that's not very effective. Maybe that's the problem.

#### TSwizzle

##### Let's go Brandon!
How many times do we have to post links that demonstrate the effectiveness of masks in lowering the spread of a virus!

Just ONCE would suffice. But after nearly two years you still cannot provide one.

There are several strands of evidence supporting the efficacy of masks.

One category of evidence comes from laboratory studies of respiratory droplets and the ability of various masks to block them. An experiment using high-speed video found that hundreds of droplets ranging from 20 to 500 micrometers were generated when saying a simple phrase, but that nearly all these droplets were blocked when the mouth was covered by a damp washcloth. Another study of people who had influenza or the common cold found that wearing a surgical mask significantly reduced the amount of these respiratory viruses emitted in droplets and aerosols.

But the strongest evidence in favor of masks come from studies of real-world scenarios. “The most important thing are the epidemiologic data,” said Rutherford. Because it would be unethical to assign people to not wear a mask during a pandemic, the epidemiological evidence has come from so-called “experiments of nature.”

A recent study published in Health Affairs, for example, compared the COVID-19 growth rate before and after mask mandates in 15 states and the District of Columbia. It found that mask mandates led to a slowdown in daily COVID-19 growth rate, which became more apparent over time. The first five days after a mandate, the daily growth rate slowed by 0.9 percentage-points compared to the five days prior to the mandate; at three weeks, the daily growth rate had slowed by 2 percentage-points.

"strands of evidence" !! Laughable.

The real world indicates wearing a mask does nothing to stop the spread of the virus. It really is akin to wearing an amulet.

#### blastula

##### Contributor
The Buffy that sucked was hospitalized for covid, because she sucks even more in her real life role as antivax wingnut.

But she appears to have recovered since she is back to being horrible by the minute on her socials.

#### TomC

##### Celestial Highness
Staff member
And protests in New Zealand;

New Zealand beefed up security measures at its parliament on Tuesday as thousands of people gathered to protest against COVID-19 vaccine mandates and government lockdowns. All but two entrances to the parliament building, known as the Beehive, were closed off in the presence of unprecedented levels of police and security personnel, as mostly unmasked protesters marched through central Wellington and congregated outside parliament.
Reuters

Yes!
People have had enough of plague rats insisting that they should be free to spread C19.

So the rest of us are making rules and passing laws that restrict their ability to impinge on the freedoms of us responsible people.

We have had enough! Get vaccinated or remove yourself from society.
Simple as that. We've had enough.
Tom

#### lpetrich

##### Contributor
Insurrection by other means: Republicans are ready to die of COVID to spite Biden, Democrats | Salon.com by Amanda Marcotte
COVID-19 is increasingly a red-state phenomenon. Among the many statistical analyses that demonstrate the remarkable effectiveness of the vaccines, perhaps the starkest are those that reveal a dramatic divergence in pandemic severity between red and blue states. As David Leonhardt of the New York Times pointed out on Monday, before we had vaccines, there "simply was not a strong partisan pattern" to the spread of disease. But after vaccines became widely available — and especially as Republican voters refused to vaccinate in large numbers — "a gap in Covid's death toll quickly emerged." Now that difference "between red and blue America has grown faster over the past month," Leonhardt wrote, to the point where counties where a large majority voted for Donald Trump have a death rate "more than three times higher than the rate in heavily Biden counties."
noting
COVID-19 Vaccines Work | CDC
and
U.S. Covid Deaths Get Even Redder - The New York Times

Over 2020, there was not much of a partisan divide in the COVID-19 death toll. Pro-Biden and pro-Trump counties were similar. But then the vaccines came out, and the two sides began to diverge. "The brief version: The gap in Covid’s death toll between red and blue America has grown faster over the past month than at any previous point."
The true explanation is straightforward: The vaccines are remarkably effective at preventing severe Covid, and almost 40 percent of Republican adults remain unvaccinated, compared with about 10 percent of Democratic adults.

Charles Gaba, a Democratic health care analyst, has pointed out that the gap is also evident at finer gradations of political analysis: Counties where Trump received at least 70 percent of the vote have an even higher average Covid death toll than counties where Trump won at least 60 percent. (Look up your county.)

As a result, Covid deaths have been concentrated in counties outside of major metropolitan areas. Many of these are in red states, while others are in red parts of blue or purple states, like Arizona, Michigan, Nevada, New Mexico, Pennsylvania, Oregon, Virginia and even California.

#### lpetrich

##### Contributor
The Polarization of Death - kieranhealy.org - How it first hit some Democrat-leaning areas the hardest, then became more Republican than Democratic by a sizable factor.

Back to Amanda Marcotte:
It's tempting, both on the left and in mainstream media circles, to write off these differences as a matter of ignorance versus information. ...

But the truth is much darker than that. As one person who replied to Leonhardt on Twitter noted, it's less about irrational fears of the shot and more that it "became a badge of honor to remain unvaccinated" and was even seen, among many Republicans, as "[t]raitorous to cave" and get the jab. ...

No, the darker and harder truth is that this isn't really about intelligence or ignorance. It's about ideology, and specifically, about how far a good chunk of the GOP base has become radicalized toward the politics of insurrection. ...

In light of this, the willingness to roll the dice with COVID-19 makes more sense. Vaccine refusal is being presented in right-wing media as a noble act of resistance against Democratic "tyranny." Any effort to prevent the disease — even among children — is increasingly viewed as an attack on red-state America. ...

Notably, Republican leaders aren't much interested in risking their own lives through vaccine refusal. Fox News even has a corporate vaccine mandate. But that's even more evidence that vaccine refusal is structured along the metaphor of wars and armies. The base voters are the foot soldiers, risking it all on the front lines, while the leaders give orders from the safety of their vaccinated bubble.

This whole thing may sound ridiculous, but, in truth, the strategy is a smashing success — at least so far. ...

This is what Republicans need to happen if Trump's next round of election-theft scheming is to be successful. ...

That said, the situation is not hopeless. For one thing, evidence shows that GOP vaccine refusal can mostly be overcome with vaccine mandates. The resistance fantasies of vaccine refusers tend to crumple pretty quickly once real consequences come into play, as the relentless drumbeat of deathbed-regret stories demonstrates.
These right-wing anti-maskers and anti-vaxxers could say "It is better to die on one's feet than live on one's knees", but they don't do that. Instead, they do such things as talk about what a great wonder drug ivermectin is, even though there is no convincing evidence that it is as effective as vaccination.

But overall, I agree that there is a big element in culture warring in this.

#### lpetrich

##### Contributor
In Romania, Hard-Hit by Covid, Doctors Fight Vaccine Refusal - The New York Times
As a new wave of the coronavirus pandemic crashed over Eastern Europe last month, devastating unvaccinated populations, an Orthodox Church bishop in southern Romania offered solace to his flock: “Don’t be fooled by what you see on TV — don’t be scared of Covid.”

Most important, Bishop Ambrose of Giurgiu told worshipers in this small Romanian town on Oct. 14, “don’t rush to get vaccinated.”

The bishop is now under criminal investigation by the police for spreading dangerous disinformation, but his anti-vaccine clarion call, echoed by prominent politicians, influential voices on the internet and many others, helps explain why Romania has in recent weeks reported the world’s highest per capita death rate from Covid-19.
Its population-relative death rate is now 6 * US's and 17 * Germany's.
Vaccine hesitancy, stoked by powerful forces online and in the real world, has left Romania with Europe’s second-lowest vaccination rate; around 44 percent of adults have had at least one dose, ahead of only Bulgaria, at 29 percent. Overall, the European Union stands at 81 percent, with several countries above 90 percent. Complicating matters, Romania has been without a government since last month, when a centrist coalition unraveled.
Bulgaria also, and ethnic Russians in Latvia. "Russia, where less than half of the adult population has been even partly inoculated, and Ukraine, where the rate is below one-third, have also reimposed sweeping restrictions amid surging cases."
Stubborn vaccine resistance across such a broad array of countries has left many looking for answers in the one thing that unites them: their shared communist past and widespread disenchantment with the disarray and corruption that followed.

“Fake news has a huge influence on our population, and in Eastern Europe in general,” said Valeriu Ghorghita, an army colonel leading Romania’s vaccination effort. “Something we all have in common in this part of Europe is our political history of communism.”

Under leaders like Nicolae Ceausescu, Romania’s longtime dictator, who was overthrown and executed in 1989, “nobody trusted their neighbors, nobody trusted the authorities, nobody trusted anybody,” Colonel Ghorghita said.

This has made many people suspicious of what officials and doctors tell them to do, especially when the internet is full of vaccine-skeptical self-declared experts advising the opposite.

“Everyone is suddenly an expert and fake news is everywhere, 24 hours a day,” lamented Silvia Nica, the head emergency doctor at Bucharest University Hospital.
Communism fell in Eastern Europe over 1989 - 1991, over 30 years ago. Which is plenty of time to get one's act together.
Romania began vaccinating its citizens last December and put the program under the military, the country’s most respected institution, according to opinion polls. The second most trusted institution, however, is the Orthodox church, which has sent mixed signals on vaccines, with Patriarch Daniel in Bucharest telling people to make up their own minds and listen to doctors, while many local clerics and some influential bishops denounced vaccines as the Devil’s work.
Weird.

#### Loren Pechtel

##### Super Moderator
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How many times do we have to post links that demonstrate the effectiveness of masks in lowering the spread of a virus!

Just ONCE would suffice. But after nearly two years you still cannot provide one.

The problem is you are demanding an impossible standard of evidence.

The sort of test that would truly prove it is horribly unethical. There's also the problem that the effectiveness of masks is highly related to how they're actually used.

"strands of evidence" !! Laughable.

The real world indicates wearing a mask does nothing to stop the spread of the virus. It really is akin to wearing an amulet.

Lets look at a very simple one: Note how the disease has become redder and redder as time goes on? There's a very high correlation between Covid rates and counties that voted for His Flatulence. The disease doesn't care, it has to be behavior. That's vaccination/distancing/masks. The trend emerged before the vaccine, so it has to be some combination of distancing and masks. Which is it??

#### TV and credit cards

##### Veteran Member
Good article. I thought, what would be their rallying cry? “We band of brothers”? No. Maybe something a little more Mel Gibson. Google: Braveheart take away our freedom.
Well, what do you know comes near the top of the list: Jim Caviezel quotes Braveheart at QAnon rally.

#### zorq

##### Veteran Member
"strands of evidence" !! Laughable.

The real world indicates wearing a mask does nothing to stop the spread of the virus. It really is akin to wearing an amulet.
Oh, yes, I remember when the entire world's community of doctors decided to start wearing amulets when performing surgery. Those amulets really helped reduce the infection rate in their patients!

The virus is carried in tiny water droplets, the sort of water droplets that DO collect on the inside of my mask and DON'T collect on the inside of my glasses when I am wearing my kf94 mask correctly. This isn't hocus pocus. This is so elementary it's practically kindergarden level easy to understand.

#### crazyfingers

##### Supermagnon
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This isn't hocus pocus. This is so elementary it's practically kindergarden level easy to understand.

He either does understand but refuses to admit the truth or he is below kindergarten level. I believe it's the former.