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Typically, when Fox News spews lies or misinformation on political issues, my response is a mix of fact-checking and eye rolls. But the current misinformation campaign about the Covid-19 vaccine from some of Fox News’ most popular hosts demands more than a typical response given lives are on the line.

That’s why I filed a complaint this week with the Federal Trade Commission against Fox News for possible violations of the Covid-19 Consumer Protection Act. That law, enacted in December 2020, makes it “unlawful” for a corporation or individual “to engage in a deceptive act or practice in or affecting commerce associated with the treatment, cure, prevention, mitigation, or diagnosis of COVID–19.” My goal in filing this case is to prompt the agency to investigate and bring an end to the apparently deceptive information Fox News has been selling to the consumers of its channel.
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Good luck with this. Faux has already been sued over their disinformation but it was dismissed on first amendment grounds.
 

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FFS, the CDC is extending its mask mandate on public transport into May despite there being zero evidence that masks work.
 

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Even mild or asymptomatic Covid-19 can cause your brain to shrink.
Of the roughly 80 million Americans who’ve gotten COVID-19 so far, about one of every four survivors suffers from impaired cognition, commonly described as brain fog. While this isn’t a formal medical term, says Edward Shorter, a professor of psychiatry at University of Toronto, it has become an umbrella term for describing an array of symptoms such as confusion, word-finding difficulties, short-term memory loss, dizziness, or inability to concentrate.

Patients hospitalized with COVID-19 are almost three times more likely than those not hospitalized to have impaired cognition. But brain scans now show that even a mild case of COVID-19 can shrink part of the brain, causing physical changes equivalent to a decade of aging.
Personally, I haven't gotten it yet, and I'm happy to continue avoiding it and avoiding passing it to others by wearing my mask and washing my hands "religiously."
 

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despite there being zero evidence that masks work.
You keep saying this and it keeps not being true.

You’ve been shown evidence multiple times and you keep repeating this dangerous falsehood. Even after being shown evidence that it is dangerously wrong.

Repeating it does not make it become true.

It is a lie that anarchists have told you. And you keep repeating their lie.
 

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despite there being zero evidence that masks work.
You keep saying this and it keeps not being true.
I keep saying it because it is true.
You’ve been shown evidence multiple times and you keep repeating this dangerous falsehood. Even after being shown evidence that it is dangerously wrong.
I have seen no evidence that mask mandates have any effect on stopping the spread of a virus. These mask mandates are an article of faith.
Repeating it does not make it become true.
Look in the mirror and tell yourself that.
 

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Trump Appointed Federal Judge says mask mandate on planes is out.

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The decision Monday by U.S. District Judge Kathryn Kimball Mizelle in Tampa, an appointee of former President Donald Trump, also said the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention improperly failed to justify its decision and did not follow proper rulemaking.

In her 59-page ruling, Mizelle said the only remedy was to vacate the rule entirely across the country because it would be impossible to end it for the limited group of people who objected in the lawsuit.
Failed to justify. Yes... pandemic... what pandemic?!

article said:
The mask requirement for travelers was the target of months of lobbying from the airlines, which sought to kill it. The carriers argued that effective air filters on modern planes make transmission of the virus during a flight highly unlikely.
Did they fail to justify that claim?

We have taken two dozen airline high level managers and put them on a plane next to dogs we just had eat several bags of cool ranch Doritos. Let's see how well those filters work at 30,000 ft.
 

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The mask requirement for travelers was the target of months of lobbying from the airlines, which sought to kill it. The carriers argued that effective air filters on modern planes make transmission of the virus during a flight highly unlikely.
Did they fail to justify that claim?

We have taken two dozen airline high level managers and put them on a plane next to dogs we just had eat several bags of cool ranch Doritos. Let's see how well those filters work at 30,000 ft.

Unmasked person with covid breathes in my direction. I catch covid because maskes are more effective at keeping the infected from spreading it than keeping the wearer from getting it - even N95's.

The airlines are telling me that they don't want my business. OK. They won't get my business.
 

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I think some folks just have a mask fetish. That’s cool, just wear your mask. Or stay home. You have choices.
 

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Trump Appointed Federal Judge says mask mandate on planes is out.

article said:
The decision Monday by U.S. District Judge Kathryn Kimball Mizelle in Tampa, an appointee of former President Donald Trump, also said the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention improperly failed to justify its decision and did not follow proper rulemaking.

In her 59-page ruling, Mizelle said the only remedy was to vacate the rule entirely across the country because it would be impossible to end it for the limited group of people who objected in the lawsuit.
Failed to justify. Yes... pandemic... what pandemic?!

article said:
The mask requirement for travelers was the target of months of lobbying from the airlines, which sought to kill it. The carriers argued that effective air filters on modern planes make transmission of the virus during a flight highly unlikely.
Did they fail to justify that claim?

We have taken two dozen airline high level managers and put them on a plane next to dogs we just had eat several bags of cool ranch Doritos. Let's see how well those filters work at 30,000 ft.
In other words, back to the old days where Congress had to make the rules directly--a total disaster which is why they created non-political regulatory bodies to handle it.
 

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I think some folks just have a mask fetish. That’s cool, just wear your mask. Or stay home. You have choices.

No. Some folks have a fetish about living.

I think some folks just have a mask fetish. That’s cool, just wear your mask. Or stay home. You have choices.
Rogan called masks MAGA hats for libs.
Lol, Rogan. Bringing out the intellectual big guns, eh? lol.
He wasn't wrong. See a person wearing a mask while driving alone? Check for the Biden sticker on the bumper.
You're misinterpreting the situation. Earlier today I was one of those people wearing a mask while driving alone. Mask fetish? No--it's just I don't have a hatred of them. I put my mask on before entering the first store. I visited 4 more, no leg more than 10 minutes long. Why should I bother to remove my mask between each stop?
 

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I think some folks just have a mask fetish. That’s cool, just wear your mask. Or stay home. You have choices.

No. Some folks have a fetish about living.

I think some folks just have a mask fetish. That’s cool, just wear your mask. Or stay home. You have choices.
Rogan called masks MAGA hats for libs.
Lol, Rogan. Bringing out the intellectual big guns, eh? lol.
He wasn't wrong. See a person wearing a mask while driving alone? Check for the Biden sticker on the bumper.
You're misinterpreting the situation. Earlier today I was one of those people wearing a mask while driving alone. Mask fetish? No--it's just I don't have a hatred of them. I put my mask on before entering the first store. I visited 4 more, no leg more than 10 minutes long. Why should I bother to remove my mask between each stop?
If you had any idea what it is like for some people to wear masks, you would understand why we find it incomprehensible that people would wear one while alone in their car.

I catch public transport to work and masks are compulsory. As soon as I step off the mask comes off. I don't like the feeling of suffocation.
 

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If you had any idea what it is like for some people to wear masks, you would understand why we find it incomprehensible that people would wear one while alone in their car.

I catch public transport to work and masks are compulsory. As soon as I step off the mask comes off. I don't like the feeling of suffocation.
The feeling that the QOP taught you you have to feel.

Or are you wearing flimsy stuff that tends to get drawn in when you inhale? That junk won't do much good these days anyway.
 

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If you had any idea what it is like for some people to wear masks, you would understand why we find it incomprehensible that people would wear one while alone in their car.

I catch public transport to work and masks are compulsory. As soon as I step off the mask comes off. I don't like the feeling of suffocation.
The feeling that the QOP taught you you have to feel.

Or are you wearing flimsy stuff that tends to get drawn in when you inhale? That junk won't do much good these days anyway.
Well, maybe. But for some of us it all seemed stupid and pointless; like children wearing masks at a playground. Covid is a sickness of the unhealthy and obese. Until recently, you were forbidden to mention that.
 

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If you had any idea what it is like for some people to wear masks, you would understand why we find it incomprehensible that people would wear one while alone in their car.

I catch public transport to work and masks are compulsory. As soon as I step off the mask comes off. I don't like the feeling of suffocation.
The feeling that the QOP taught you you have to feel.

Or are you wearing flimsy stuff that tends to get drawn in when you inhale? That junk won't do much good these days anyway.
Well, maybe. But for some of us it all seemed stupid and pointless; like children wearing masks at a playground. Covid is a sickness of the unhealthy and obese. Until recently, you were forbidden to mention that.
I know three people personally who were not "unhealthy and obese" that suffered seriously with COVID. One is my niece who is in her 30's and was very healthy and active - she is now living with long COVID after spending weeks in the hospital. Another is a friend in his 40's who was a construction worker and very healthy - he is now permanently disabled with heart and lung damage. The last was a previous boss who was in his mid 60's and ran both a registered Angus cattle ranch and a construction company, and was very healthy - he died.

Don't give me that nonsense about only the unhealthy suffering from this. I have seen living proof that is not the case.

Ruth
 

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Why should I bother to remove my mask between each stop?
How do you not find it irritable? I guess to each xirs own. I'm just not into the Covid theater.
The different infection rates between Republican and Democrat counties says it's not theater.
It's theater.

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Why should I bother to remove my mask between each stop?
How do you not find it irritable? I guess to each xirs own. I'm just not into the Covid theater.
The different infection rates between Republican and Democrat counties says it's not theater.
It's theater.

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Your graph leaves out an entire year. Let's bring the data up to date: Total cases/1million of the population and total cases/1million of the population:

Cases/1M​
Deaths/1M​
California​
23,1746​
2,273​
Florida​
27,5754​
3,431​

Theatre?
 

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If you had any idea what it is like for some people to wear masks, you would understand why we find it incomprehensible that people would wear one while alone in their car.

I catch public transport to work and masks are compulsory. As soon as I step off the mask comes off. I don't like the feeling of suffocation.
The feeling that the QOP taught you you have to feel.

Or are you wearing flimsy stuff that tends to get drawn in when you inhale? That junk won't do much good these days anyway.
Well, maybe. But for some of us it all seemed stupid and pointless; like children wearing masks at a playground. Covid is a sickness of the unhealthy and obese. Until recently, you were forbidden to mention that.
Nobody's ever been forbidden to mention it; They've just been rightly told that that assessment is factually fucking wrong.

You are in no way forbidden from being wrong. You even have a constitutional right to be loudly and publicly wrong.

Don't be such a fucking snowflake.
 

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If you had any idea what it is like for some people to wear masks, you would understand why we find it incomprehensible that people would wear one while alone in their car.

I catch public transport to work and masks are compulsory. As soon as I step off the mask comes off. I don't like the feeling of suffocation.
The feeling that the QOP taught you you have to feel.

Or are you wearing flimsy stuff that tends to get drawn in when you inhale? That junk won't do much good these days anyway.
Well, maybe. But for some of us it all seemed stupid and pointless; like children wearing masks at a playground. Covid is a sickness of the unhealthy and obese. Until recently, you were forbidden to mention that.

1) The majority of the population has at least one risk factor for Covid.

2) It can kill the young and healthy with a bigger initial exposure.

3) Even mild cases are sometimes deadly. Note that these aren't being counted very well.
 

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Why should I bother to remove my mask between each stop?
How do you not find it irritable? I guess to each xirs own. I'm just not into the Covid theater.
The different infection rates between Republican and Democrat counties says it's not theater.
It's theater.

1*ADlxKFAZt1LyjDVspogDLw.png
Your graph leaves out an entire year. Let's bring the data up to date: Total cases/1million of the population and total cases/1million of the population:

Cases/1M​
Deaths/1M​
California​
23,1746​
2,273​
Florida​
27,5754​
3,431​

Theatre?
Why should I bother to remove my mask between each stop?
How do you not find it irritable? I guess to each xirs own. I'm just not into the Covid theater.
The different infection rates between Republican and Democrat counties says it's not theater.
It's theater.

1*ADlxKFAZt1LyjDVspogDLw.png
Note how old the data is. The preference for Republicans has become more and more pronounced as time goes on.
 

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If you had any idea what it is like for some people to wear masks, you would understand why we find it incomprehensible that people would wear one while alone in their car.

I catch public transport to work and masks are compulsory. As soon as I step off the mask comes off. I don't like the feeling of suffocation.
The feeling that the QOP taught you you have to feel.

The sheer fucking audacity. The absolute cunting gall you have to tell me I only feel suffocated by a mask because a message board (or whatever the fuck QOP is) taught me to feel it.

It is one thing to say 'yes, you find masks uncomfortable and that's unfortunate, but people need to wear masks in certain situations to protect others and it's a sacrifice you are going to have to make'.

It is quite another to say 'I don't feel bad wearing a mask and the only reason you say you feel bad is because you are a conspiracy theorist who was either tricked into having those corporal sensations or you are flat out lying'.

Loren: the fact that you think ten minutes alone in your car is not long enough for you to take off your mask is a demonstration not that masks are not extremely uncomfortable for many, but that your own response is the freakish outlier. People have experiences different to you, Loren. And your complete failure to even acknowledge their experiences is a sociopathic, gaslighting tactic.
Or are you wearing flimsy stuff that tends to get drawn in when you inhale? That junk won't do much good these days anyway.
Doesn't stop 'that junk' being made mandatory.
 

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FFS, the tyrants will not leave us alone;

The Justice Department announced Tuesday that it will appeal the ruling that lifted the federal mask mandate on planes, trains and transit systems, pending a decision by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention that the order is still required for public health.

News

The mandate was due to expire soon anyway but the authoritarians can’t stand that it was a Trump appointed judge that quashed the mandate. TDS.
 

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FFS, the tyrants will not leave us alone;

The Justice Department announced Tuesday that it will appeal the ruling that lifted the federal mask mandate on planes, trains and transit systems, pending a decision by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention that the order is still required for public health.

News

The mandate was due to expire soon anyway but the authoritarians can’t stand that it was a Trump appointed judge that quashed the mandate. TDS.
Good. Dems will be demolished in November.
 

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FFS, the CDC is extending its mask mandate on public transport into May despite there being zero evidence that masks work.
There is plenty of evidence of course that masks work. One simply needs to test the mask, see that it in fact blocks sars-cov-2 and other virus, and that is evidence that they do work.

But if you want more evidence, there are plenty of studies. Purely for example:



Of course, the mandates can only work if they are thorough enough and people abide by them.

Over here, we have a serious problem these days with the flu and other respiratory viruses. Covid is still annoying, though there are few cases, perhaps because there are almost no tests anymore, and also because perhaps nearly everyone got it already, perhaps repeatedly.

What about masks?

Well, they do not have much of an impact, I reckon because of how they are used - more like a fashion accessory. For example, I take a bus almost daily. That is one of the few places where masks are still mandatory. Here's what I observe:

1. Nearly everyone has ordinary cloth masks.

2. Nearly no one has a mask that is tightened around the nose. So, the air goes in and out easily.

3. Most people have their mask down, so that their noses are uncovered.

4. A good number have the masks on the neck, noses and mouths fully uncovered.

5. Many spend the trip speaking very loudly, to each other or on the phone.

6. Most of the times, there are one or two people coughing repeatedly - they are very clearly ill.

7. It is common for ill people to either go maskless, or pull their masks down every couple of minutes or so, to blow their respective noses.

8. And more of that sort of behavior.

Obviously, nearly all masks are ineffective. I still wear a good mask, properly. I haven't gotten ill even once this year, despite the massive covid wave in January, and the fact that most years, by this time of the year I got the flu and several colds. Maybe I just got lucky, though - after all, my personal experience provides a bit but only a bit of info. Studies are much clearer: masks do work (fashion accessories that vaguely resemble masks do not, though, and nearly everyone chooses them rather than masks, at least over here).
 

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FFS, the tyrants will not leave us alone;

The Justice Department announced Tuesday that it will appeal the ruling that lifted the federal mask mandate on planes, trains and transit systems, pending a decision by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention that the order is still required for public health.

News

The mandate was due to expire soon anyway but the authoritarians can’t stand that it was a Trump appointed judge that quashed the mandate. TDS.
The judge who tossed mask mandate misunderstood public health law, legal experts say
The Biden administration relied on a piece of the Public Health Service Act to defend its COVID-19 mask mandate on airplanes and other forms of mass transit.

Specifically, the law says that if the government is trying to prevent the spread of communicable diseases, it can "provide for such inspection, fumigation, disinfection, sanitation, pest extermination, destruction of animals or articles found to be so infected or contaminated as to be sources of dangerous infection to human beings, and other measures, as in his judgment may be necessary."

The administration argued that masks qualified as "sanitation" under the law, but Mizelle disagreed, opting for a much narrower definition of the term that would exclude measures like face coverings. Legal experts say her interpretation missed the mark.

"If one of my students turned in this opinion as their final exam, I don't know if I would agree that they had gotten the analysis correct," said Erin Fuse Brown, a law professor at Georgia State University.

"It reads like someone who had decided the case and then tried to dress it up as legal reasoning without actually doing the legal reasoning," she added.
Unsurprising the ABA found her to be unqualified for the job she was given.
 

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But if you want more evidence, there are plenty of studies. Purely for example:

TS is indiferent to evidence. He will ignore yours and continue to falsely claim that masks are ineffective.

The effectiveness of masks has been known for over 100 years. I asked him why surgeons wear masks when operating on patients. Why do health care workers wear masks when interacting with patients. Why before the pandemic did my dentist wear a mask while working on my teeth. Question ignored.
 

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If you had any idea what it is like for some people to wear masks, you would understand why we find it incomprehensible that people would wear one while alone in their car.

I catch public transport to work and masks are compulsory. As soon as I step off the mask comes off. I don't like the feeling of suffocation.
The feeling that the QOP taught you you have to feel.

The sheer fucking audacity. The absolute cunting gall you have to tell me I only feel suffocated by a mask because a message board (or whatever the fuck QOP is) taught me to feel it.

It is one thing to say 'yes, you find masks uncomfortable and that's unfortunate, but people need to wear masks in certain situations to protect others and it's a sacrifice you are going to have to make'.

It is quite another to say 'I don't feel bad wearing a mask and the only reason you say you feel bad is because you are a conspiracy theorist who was either tricked into having those corporal sensations or you are flat out lying'.

Loren: the fact that you think ten minutes alone in your car is not long enough for you to take off your mask is a demonstration not that masks are not extremely uncomfortable for many, but that your own response is the freakish outlier. People have experiences different to you, Loren. And your complete failure to even acknowledge their experiences is a sociopathic, gaslighting tactic.

Lots of people have to wear masks on the job. Strangely they don't have the experience that's so widespread amongst the deniers. Finding a mask suffocating is the outlier reaction. They don't screen medical school students for how they react to masks despite the 100% certainty they will have to wear them at times during their training.

Or are you wearing flimsy stuff that tends to get drawn in when you inhale? That junk won't do much good these days anyway.
Doesn't stop 'that junk' being made mandatory.
When the mandate was first made the low-grade stuff was still a big help and the good stuff wasn't available. Mandating N95 wasn't an option. (And a political football whether it was N95 or N95/KN95/KF94.)
 

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Obviously, nearly all masks are ineffective. I still wear a good mask, properly. I haven't gotten ill even once this year, despite the massive covid wave in January, and the fact that most years, by this time of the year I got the flu and several colds. Maybe I just got lucky, though - after all, my personal experience provides a bit but only a bit of info. Studies are much clearer: masks do work (fashion accessories that vaguely resemble masks do not, though, and nearly everyone chooses them rather than masks, at least over here).
Exactly. Masks only work if you take them seriously. This seriously colors the data on mask effectiveness--mostly it's comparing non-masked with crappily-masked, which against Omicron doesn't make much difference.
 

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Lots of people have to wear masks on the job. Strangely they don't have the experience that's so widespread amongst the deniers. Finding a mask suffocating is the outlier reaction. They don't screen medical school students for how they react to masks despite the 100% certainty they will have to wear them at times during their training.
Yes, lots of people have to wear masks. That doesn't mean they like the feeling. Surgeons don't wear masks on the way home from surgery.

The fact that you wear masks in your car, alone, for ten minutes, is a sign you are an outlier. That's not normal. You are not normal. It's okay to not be normal. It's not okay to pretend your experience is universal and everyone else is a liar.

And the fact that you are tripling down on your 'denier' bullshit should make you ashamed but I'm sure it doesn't.

Toddlers rip off masks when you try to put them on them. I saw my mother struggle to breathe when she was in hospital because she was required to wear a mask (adding to the pain she was experiencing). You just have no empathy and no fucking idea.
When the mandate was first made the low-grade stuff was still a big help and the good stuff wasn't available. Mandating N95 wasn't an option. (And a political football whether it was N95 or N95/KN95/KF94.)
Well, the mask theatre continues, and so now we have a situation where it does almost nothing, and people suffer needlessly (suffering that I acknowledge you simply deny because it suits you).
 

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But if you want more evidence, there are plenty of studies. Purely for example:

That is not evidence that mask mandates stop the spread of a virus. It’s fiction based off a computer model. It’s something that never actually happened, it’s not even a study.
 

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That is not evidence that mask mandates stop the spread of a virus. It’s fiction based off a computer model. It’s something that never actually happened, it’s not even a study.

This is a big part of the problem. C19 is a novel(new) virus. It might seem like the covid problem has been going on forever, but it really hasn't.

Other diseases, like rubella, polio, and flu have decades of research behind treatment and prevention methods. C19 doesn't. Researchers and statisticians and such are doing their best to sort it out, but they are not, and can not, figure out everything in a couple of years.
Tom
 

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FFS, the tyrants will not leave us alone;

The Justice Department announced Tuesday that it will appeal the ruling that lifted the federal mask mandate on planes, trains and transit systems, pending a decision by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention that the order is still required for public health.

News

The mandate was due to expire soon anyway but the authoritarians can’t stand that it was a Trump appointed judge that quashed the mandate. TDS.
Actually, the question is do courts have the right to meddle in pandemic mitigation. Should the military oversee the SEC and the EPA have oversight on military operations? The CDC was created for the purpose of "Disease Control", in the name of the organization. The idea that a judge can arbitrarily overthrow regulations within the purview seems extraordinarily dangerous to policy.
 

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But if you want more evidence, there are plenty of studies. Purely for example:

That is not evidence that mask mandates stop the spread of a virus. It’s fiction based off a computer model. It’s something that never actually happened, it’s not even a study.
Masks reduce transmission. They were never the best way to do so.
 

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FFS, the tyrants will not leave us alone;

The Justice Department announced Tuesday that it will appeal the ruling that lifted the federal mask mandate on planes, trains and transit systems, pending a decision by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention that the order is still required for public health.

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The mandate was due to expire soon anyway but the authoritarians can’t stand that it was a Trump appointed judge that quashed the mandate. TDS.
Actually, the question is do courts have the right to meddle in pandemic mitigation. Should the military oversee the SEC and the EPA have oversight on military operations? The CDC was created for the purpose of "Disease Control", in the name of the organization. The idea that a judge can arbitrarily overthrow regulations within the purview seems extraordinarily dangerous to policy.
Take the Chinese route, nail the doors shut? No thank you.

And the arbitrary mandate was not arbitrarily overthrown.
 

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FFS, the tyrants will not leave us alone;

The Justice Department announced Tuesday that it will appeal the ruling that lifted the federal mask mandate on planes, trains and transit systems, pending a decision by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention that the order is still required for public health.

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The mandate was due to expire soon anyway but the authoritarians can’t stand that it was a Trump appointed judge that quashed the mandate. TDS.
Actually, the question is do courts have the right to meddle in pandemic mitigation. Should the military oversee the SEC and the EPA have oversight on military operations? The CDC was created for the purpose of "Disease Control", in the name of the organization. The idea that a judge can arbitrarily overthrow regulations within the purview seems extraordinarily dangerous to policy.
Take the Chinese route, nail the doors shut? No thank you.
Masks on a circulated air vehicle where people are closely packed together... isn't "taking the Chinese route". I understand why you desperately cling to hyperbole, but that doesn't make your choice to do so rational.
And the arbitrary mandate was not arbitrarily overthrown.
Yes, it was. The judge was not in a position to appropriately review the medical and pandemic mitigation reasoning behind the existence of the mandate. The judge was needlessly and arbitrarily meddling in CDC protocol.
 

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Take the Chinese route, nail the doors shut? No thank you.
I wasn't there, so I can only go by English language reports.

My understanding of "the Chinese route" was hard core lockdowns and zillions of yuan spending on new hospitals and massive delivery of needed stuff(like food and prescription meds) directly to the people.

The Chinese people also took the threat seriously, so they abided by the draconian rules. Instead of looking for justification for spreading the virus, the way many Americans did.


And if you look at statistics, the Chinese route caused a lot less economic damage than the American route.
Tom
 

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Masks on a circulated air vehicle where people are closely packed together... isn't "taking the Chinese route". I understand why you desperately cling to hyperbole, but that doesn't make your choice to do so rational.

It’s not just about worthless face mask mandates, the pro lockdown CDC would love the powers of the Chinese. No thanks, we still have rights.
 

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Lots of people have to wear masks on the job. Strangely they don't have the experience that's so widespread amongst the deniers. Finding a mask suffocating is the outlier reaction. They don't screen medical school students for how they react to masks despite the 100% certainty they will have to wear them at times during their training.
Yes, lots of people have to wear masks. That doesn't mean they like the feeling. Surgeons don't wear masks on the way home from surgery.

The fact that you wear masks in your car, alone, for ten minutes, is a sign you are an outlier. That's not normal. You are not normal. It's okay to not be normal. It's not okay to pretend your experience is universal and everyone else is a liar.

I'm certainly not the only one who does it. You just assume the people you see alone with a mask are nut cases rather than realizing it's just people who don't consider it worth taking off for a short period.

Or consider another observation: I would say the portion of the population wearing the high grade stuff is in the 5-10% range around here--and I can't recall ever seeing someone remove one as soon as they were outdoors.

And the fact that you are tripling down on your 'denier' bullshit should make you ashamed but I'm sure it doesn't.

Toddlers rip off masks when you try to put them on them. I saw my mother struggle to breathe when she was in hospital because she was required to wear a mask (adding to the pain she was experiencing). You just have no empathy and no fucking idea.

I've seen plenty of toddlers not ripping off masks. Notably, in every case they were Asian. Their parents actually took the time to teach them to wear a mask rather than consider it impossible.

When the mandate was first made the low-grade stuff was still a big help and the good stuff wasn't available. Mandating N95 wasn't an option. (And a political football whether it was N95 or N95/KN95/KF94.)
Well, the mask theatre continues, and so now we have a situation where it does almost nothing, and people suffer needlessly (suffering that I acknowledge you simply deny because it suits you).
I deny it because in almost all cases is psychosomatic.
 

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But if you want more evidence, there are plenty of studies. Purely for example:

That is not evidence that mask mandates stop the spread of a virus. It’s fiction based off a computer model. It’s something that never actually happened, it’s not even a study.
We have to use computer models because the real test is completely unethical to do.

We do have a sort-of test, though: Red vs Blue counties. As time goes on the disease becomes redder and redder.
 

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Take the Chinese route, nail the doors shut? No thank you.
I wasn't there, so I can only go by English language reports.

My understanding of "the Chinese route" was hard core lockdowns and zillions of yuan spending on new hospitals and massive delivery of needed stuff(like food and prescription meds) directly to the people.

The Chinese people also took the threat seriously, so they abided by the draconian rules. Instead of looking for justification for spreading the virus, the way many Americans did.


And if you look at statistics, the Chinese route caused a lot less economic damage than the American route.
Tom
Yes and no.

Pre-Omicron the Chinese route worked very well. Unfortunately, they wanted to pay in the big leagues and did a homebrew inactivated-virus vaccine rather than using the mRNA vaccines from the west. At least the mRNA vaccines usually prevent serious illness from Omicron even though they don't do a lot to stop you from catching it.

Omicron is overwhelming their containment measures, Shanghai and many of the areas around it are under severe lockdown and the resource distribution this time around is abysmal--yet it's not enough, cases are doubling every few days. Giving up on zero Covid means a huge death toll (I wouldn't be at all surprised at 7 figures) and they can't see that the war is lost. What we see is an awful lot of stupid measures made up on the spot and it looks like an awful lot of diversion of the food supplies.
 

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FFS, the tyrants will not leave us alone;

The Justice Department announced Tuesday that it will appeal the ruling that lifted the federal mask mandate on planes, trains and transit systems, pending a decision by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention that the order is still required for public health.

News

The mandate was due to expire soon anyway but the authoritarians can’t stand that it was a Trump appointed judge that quashed the mandate. TDS.
Actually, the question is do courts have the right to meddle in pandemic mitigation. Should the military oversee the SEC and the EPA have oversight on military operations? The CDC was created for the purpose of "Disease Control", in the name of the organization. The idea that a judge can arbitrarily overthrow regulations within the purview seems extraordinarily dangerous to policy.
Take the Chinese route, nail the doors shut? No thank you.
Masks on a circulated air vehicle where people are closely packed together... isn't "taking the Chinese route". I understand why you desperately cling to hyperbole, but that doesn't make your choice to do so rational.
And the arbitrary mandate was not arbitrarily overthrown.
Yes, it was. The judge was not in a position to appropriately review the medical and pandemic mitigation reasoning behind the existence of the mandate. The judge was needlessly and arbitrarily meddling in CDC protocol.
She didn't even bother hearing oral arguments.
 
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