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I see; I was thinking about an online consult. I hope you get better soon.
feeling better today, temperature is 37.1C Before that it was as high as 38.8C
As for the coughing I remember reading that even though adenovirus vector is supposed to be non replicating, It is not 100%.
So it's possible to get common cold from the vaccine.
 

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I see; I was thinking about an online consult. I hope you get better soon.
feeling better today, temperature is 37.1C Before that it was as high as 38.8C
As for the coughing I remember reading that even though adenovirus vector is supposed to be non replicating, It is not 100%.
So it's possible to get common cold from the vaccine.
38.8, yikes, it's good to see you're much better now.
With regard to the adenovirus, yeah I heard that too, it would explain it. However, coughing as a side-effect has not been reported in the local studies I've found, and Sputnik was given to millions of people here, so if it was that, it's very rare.
Btw, is the booster with the first or second component?
 

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Btw, is the booster with the first or second component?
It's a first component (Ad26 based). I had strong reaction the first time I had it in February. It was probably worse but it lasted only one night. This time it takes much longer. I figured out I would have no reaction at all since I had immunity from the first shot.
It's weird, older folks have no reaction whatsoever. And younger have very minor reaction. Don't know if it's a good thing or bad to have strong reaction both times.
measured temperature - 38.4C, damn.
looks like it's low in the morning and then increases toward night.
 
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I am gonna wait 72 hours. coughing feeling seems to be slowly dissolving and in in general it feels exactly like common cold (except high temperature)
To get to doctor I would have to go to the Covid ward. General hospital where I got the shot is pretty much deserted.
The temperature is worrying. Hope you just have a little bacterial infection--or that if it's side effects, it goes away quickly.

A bit over a week ago my son was sent home from school with a fever of 99.6, sniffles and a lot of fatigue. He got tested and negative. Two days later he was fine. We have no idea what it was but colds/flu don't go away that fast.
That same sort of thing seems to be going around here too, including sore throat. Both my wife and I have it and one of her friends. Wife tested negative so I assume I'm negative too since I haven't gone anywhere or seen anyone but her.
 

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barbos said:
It's a first component (Ad26 based). I had strong reaction the first time I had it in February. It was probably worse but it lasted only one night. This time it takes much longer. I figured out I would have no reaction at all since I had immunity from the first shot.
It's weird, older folks have no reaction whatsoever. And younger have very minor reaction. Don't know if it's a good thing or bad to have strong reaction both times.
measured temperature - 38.4C, damn.
looks like it's low in the morning and then increases toward night.
That was my experience with AZ (well, or with getting the flu pre-covid) as well. In my case, sleeping for one or two hours usually makes it go down again.

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Looks like all my symptoms (including throat) listed as side effects.
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Yeah, sore throat is not listed over here, but it's there. The only one out is coughing (unless Google translate missed it), but there might be infrequent symptoms that aren't listed. At any rate, I hope you get better soon.

Thanks for the list, btw. I'll take that into account in case I get Sputnik when I get a booster, though that's a few months away since it's been less than 2 months since my second AZ dose.
 

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barbos said:
It's a first component (Ad26 based). I had strong reaction the first time I had it in February. It was probably worse but it lasted only one night. This time it takes much longer. I figured out I would have no reaction at all since I had immunity from the first shot.
It's weird, older folks have no reaction whatsoever. And younger have very minor reaction. Don't know if it's a good thing or bad to have strong reaction both times.
measured temperature - 38.4C, damn.
looks like it's low in the morning and then increases toward night.
That was my experience with AZ (well, or with getting the flu pre-covid) as well. In my case, sleeping for one or two hours usually makes it go down again.

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https://29.ru/text/health/2021/07/27/70045691

Looks like all my symptoms (including throat) listed as side effects.

Yeah, sore throat is not listed over here, but it's there. The only one out is coughing (unless Google translate missed it), but there might be infrequent symptoms that aren't listed. At any rate, I hope you get better soon.

Thanks for the list, btw. I'll take that into account in case I get Sputnik when I get a booster, though that's a few months away since it's been less than 2 months since my second AZ dose.
 

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The FDA is probing whether the Moderna vaccine can cause a rare side effect in teens : Coronavirus Updates : NPR
The U.S. Food and Drug Administration will need more time to decide whether to approve Moderna's COVID-19 vaccine for use in children ages 12 to 17, the company announced Sunday.

The extended timeline is so the FDA can look into reports of a rare side effect — myocarditis, or the inflammation of the heart muscle — in those who've gotten the shot. Moderna said the FDA informed the company of the delay on Friday.

"The safety of vaccine recipients is of paramount importance to Moderna. The Company is fully committed to working closely with the FDA to support their review and is grateful to the FDA for their diligence," Moderna said in a statement.
Noting
Moderna Provides Update on Timing of U.S. Emergency Use Authorization of its COVID-19 Vaccine for Adolescents | Moderna, Inc.

A sight for sore eyes :D even if it is not very good news.
 

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‘I hope you die’: how the COVID pandemic unleashed attacks on scientists Dozens of researchers tell Nature they have received death threats, or threats of physical or sexual violence.

Kuppalli’s experience during the pandemic is not uncommon. A survey by Nature of more than 300 scientists who have given media interviews about COVID-19 — many of whom had also commented about the pandemic on social media — has found wide experience of harassment or abuse; 15% said they had received death threats (see ‘Negative impacts’).
 

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‘I hope you die’: how the COVID pandemic unleashed attacks on scientists Dozens of researchers tell Nature they have received death threats, or threats of physical or sexual violence.

Kuppalli’s experience during the pandemic is not uncommon. A survey by Nature of more than 300 scientists who have given media interviews about COVID-19 — many of whom had also commented about the pandemic on social media — has found wide experience of harassment or abuse; 15% said they had received death threats (see ‘Negative impacts’).
I got a death threat from youtube comments when I noted that if governments can force their citizens to pay taxes and draft them to take bullets then governments clearly have the authority to force you take a vaccine.
 

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My wife just told me one of the shareholders for the company she works for has covid and is on a ventilator. He's a dentist. My first thought was how many of his patients did his unvaccinated ass infect.
 

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My wife just told me one of the shareholders for the company she works for has covid and is on a ventilator. He's a dentist. My first thought was how many of his patients did his unvaccinated ass infect.
Oh man. And an even better question - why wouldn't patients ask if their health care provider was vaccinated? I sure do.

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There is no way that I'd go to a dentist, doctor, barber, etc.. without learning their vax status. Not vaxed or refuse to answer I find a different one.
 

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And in Chicago:

“Police said as of Monday, 35 officers are now on no-pay status; 73% of the department has complied with the reporting mandate and 80% of those are vaccinated.”
 

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I'm wondering if all COVID19 threads should be moved to the Science vs. Religion forum?

This guy on Forbidden Knowledge: https://forbiddenknowledgetv.net/woo-up/

He knows the vaccine is deadly because the goal is to kill off everyone and tear down cities and restore America to the buffalo roaming prairie as an Elite's vacation spot. and remake the world and some other bullshit.
Everyone vaccinated is going to die, today o rtomorrow or some time.

But when he gets to the mandates:
If they’re threatening your job – f* it – let them fire you. Don’t quit. Let ’em fire you. You let them force you off that property. Make them have that emotional angst. Make them go through that sh*t, so at least, you’re burning out emotions in them. You don’t have to get angry, you just have to be stubborn…let them do what they have to do – but this is a war and there is no external savior for your ass.

Angst? What angst? Someone standing in my workspace telling me that Earth is a concentration camp, and the shot i got in (checks card) February is almost certainly going to kill me two weeks later? I don't feel unfocused anxiety about their quitting, or forcing us to fire them.
If i help box their things and carry them to their car, it's not an act of guilt that i was helpless to stop the process. I want to speed and streamline the exit.
I am not anxious about how will we ever manage to do the job without them. S'alright, we'll manage.
I have suffered burnout a few times, but if any emotions are being 'burned out' in the martyr's defiant act of self-harm, it's wunderschadenfreude.
 

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There is no way that I'd go to a dentist, doctor, barber, etc.. without learning their vax status. Not vaxed or refuse to answer I find a different one.

It's unlikely you'll be in a position to speak to the person to ask.
 

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There is no way that I'd go to a dentist, doctor, barber, etc.. without learning their vax status. Not vaxed or refuse to answer I find a different one.

It's unlikely you'll be in a position to speak to the person to ask.

Why not? I don't have a problem walking out on an appointment in such situations.
 

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There is no way that I'd go to a dentist, doctor, barber, etc.. without learning their vax status. Not vaxed or refuse to answer I find a different one.

It's unlikely you'll be in a position to speak to the person to ask.

Why not? I don't have a problem walking out on an appointment in such situations.
You're rather privileged if you could do so. Not everyone is.
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Privileged or willing to stand up for one’s’ self? I would probably decline to book with any provider of any service, medical or otherwise, if the provider and/or support staff were not vaccinated. I get that is much harder to do if there is only one dental practice or whatever in your town, and that would make it much harder to do. But privilege? I’d say that someone who is willing to stand up for themselves has a backbone and may be willing to endure some inconvenience. I don’t see that as privilege. Privilege isn’t someone willing to do something that you are not willing to.
 

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You're rather privileged if could do so. Not everyone is.
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I don't understand why anyone can't get a different dentist or PCP or barber. Privileged? I don't understand.
Barber, sure.
But lots of people have health care providers chosen by someone else, like their insurance company.
Tom
 

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You're rather privileged if could do so. Not everyone is.
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I don't understand why anyone can't get a different dentist or PCP or barber. Privileged? I don't understand.
Barber, sure.
But lots of people have health care providers chosen by someone else, like their insurance company.
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Really? I have to choose in network but there are lots of them. Is this an urban/rural thing? Anyway, this is off topic from covid. I should probably stop.
 

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You're rather privileged if could do so. Not everyone is.
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I don't understand why anyone can't get a different dentist or PCP or barber. Privileged? I don't understand.
Barber, sure.
But lots of people have health care providers chosen by someone else, like their insurance company.
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Really? I have to choose in network but there are lots of them. Is this an urban/rural thing? Anyway, this is off topic from covid. I should probably stop.
Okay.
It's probably a rural thing. Around here there aren't many choices.
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Privileged or willing to stand up for one’s’ self? I would probably decline to book with any provider of any service, medical or otherwise, if the provider and/or support staff were not vaccinated. I get that is much harder to do if there is only one dental practice or whatever in your town, and that would make it much harder to do. But privilege? I’d say that someone who is willing to stand up for themselves has a backbone and may be willing to endure some inconvenience. I don’t see that as privilege. Privilege isn’t someone willing to do something that you are not willing to.

We have a few leaky shut off valves in our plumbing with cups to catch the slow drips. No immediate emergency but I'm sure I'll be looking for a plumber in the next few months. As I call around I'll be making sure to book a vaccinated plumber. It's just about insisting on appropriate service as far as I'm concerned.
 

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You're rather privileged if could do so. Not everyone is.
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I don't understand why anyone can't get a different dentist or PCP or barber. Privileged? I don't understand.
Barber, sure.
But lots of people have health care providers chosen by someone else, like their insurance company.
Tom
That is true—and a wrinkle I had not thought of. Admittedly my family has always been willing to endure some inconvenience and some extra cost (even when money was pretty tight) to go to providers we trusted—basically because of the experience of having family members who stuck with inadequate health care providers—even though they did have other choices. As it is, we drive 30 miles and pay a bigger portion of our health care to be seen at a provider we trust rather than the one more local that we have had bad experiences with. Not everyone is willing to do that—a neighbor with the same health care options as we have had stuck by the local provider who has in fact made some dangerously poor decisions. At one point—the defining moment that convinced my husband to switch, we were given bad treatment options by a provider who insisted that no one could address a specialty issue better than who he recommended—something that was easily disproved. And so my husband is still alive. I did not like his chances under the other guy’s care. And yeah, I would have traded everything we own and earn for that better care. Not everyone would and I honestly don’t understand.
 

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Almost 2 years of doing everything right could not stand to stupidity of a relative with .... medical background.
She infected at least one other person besides me, and that person has shitload of underlying conditions and was not vaccinated.
two others she had contact with while here are OK for now.

I myself lost some sense of smell. Don't smell alcohol at all, very little vinegar. Though some other chemicals smell fine albeit somewhat reduced. Taste is still 100%. Body temperature has been more less normal for the last couple of days, right now 36.8C
Blood pressure is low 100/70. and heart rate is high 80-90, but I usually get high BP under stress.
Oxygen is 93-95, but I had 95 average before this crap.
Very minor coughing. I mean I have to remind myself to test-cough it to check it is still there.
No headache and muscle pain is gone with temperature.
Problem are cold sweat/hot flashes during night. During day I feel fine now. I don't know if that's an indication that I am getting better or just a period before shit hitting the fan.
 
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Almost 2 years of doing everything right could not stand to stupidity of a relative with .... medical background.
She infected at least one other person besides me, and that person has shitload of underlying conditions and was not vaccinated.
two others she had contact with while here are OK for now.

I myself lost some sense of smell. Don't smell alcohol at all, very little vinegar. Though some other chemicals smell fine albeit somewhat reduced. Taste is still 100%. Body temperature has been more less normal for the last couple of days, right now 36.8C
Blood pressure is low 100/70. and heart rate is high 80-90, but I usually get high BP under stress.
Oxygen is 93-95, but I had 95 average before this crap.
Very minor coughing. I mean I have to remind myself to test-cough it to check it is still there.
No headache and muscle pain is gone with temperature.
Problem are cold sweat/hot flashes during night. During day I feel fine now. I don't know if that's an indication that I am getting better or just a period before shit hitting the fan.
We just love those smart watches don't we.
 

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During day I feel fine now. I don't know if that's an indication that I am getting better or just a period before shit hitting the fan.
OK, googling says shit hits the fan between day 5 and day 10. I am day 6 now.
Have you had a positive test or just going by the symptoms?
Sucks if you have it.
 

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Have you had a positive test or just going by the symptoms?
No, that would be waste of test because it's obviously covid (loss of smell)
The other person I was talking about was tested positive and is in hospital now.
All I can do now is count days and hope my vaccination prevents serious complications and that person at least does not die.
All because someone decided that it would be a great idea to travel 500 km by fucking train while having symptoms and during record high infection rates.
 
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I'm wondering if all COVID19 threads should be moved to the Science vs. Religion forum?

This guy on Forbidden Knowledge: https://forbiddenknowledgetv.net/woo-up/

He knows the vaccine is deadly because the goal is to kill off everyone and tear down cities and restore America to the buffalo roaming prairie as an Elite's vacation spot. and remake the world and some other bullshit.
Everyone vaccinated is going to die, today o rtomorrow or some time.

But when he gets to the mandates:
If they’re threatening your job – f* it – let them fire you. Don’t quit. Let ’em fire you. You let them force you off that property. Make them have that emotional angst. Make them go through that sh*t, so at least, you’re burning out emotions in them. You don’t have to get angry, you just have to be stubborn…let them do what they have to do – but this is a war and there is no external savior for your ass.

Angst? What angst? Someone standing in my workspace telling me that Earth is a concentration camp, and the shot i got in (checks card) February is almost certainly going to kill me two weeks later? I don't feel unfocused anxiety about their quitting, or forcing us to fire them.
If i help box their things and carry them to their car, it's not an act of guilt that i was helpless to stop the process. I want to speed and streamline the exit.
I am not anxious about how will we ever manage to do the job without them. S'alright, we'll manage.
I have suffered burnout a few times, but if any emotions are being 'burned out' in the martyr's defiant act of self-harm, it's wunderschadenfreude.

at my company, if you're fired rather than quitting, you lose your pension and your 401k match. i assume it's like that at many companies which further confuses me as to why this is the hill these idiots are willing to die on. at least we're not losing our best and brightest.

there have been protesters outside the gates here at Hill AFB to rally against the mandates.
 

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Well, looks like I got covid :(
And I know who I got it from.
Almost 2 years of doing everything right could not stand to stupidity of a relative with .... medical background.
Does this explain the fever and cough after your booster?
 

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One of my girlfriends lovers just tested positive for Covid. Now she needs to isolate until the test results come. That's a problem because of how we live. Oops. Sometimes a modern lifestyle has it's limitations.

Wish us luck.
 

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Was it covid all along?
I think so. the fact that I made a booster shot right after I got infected was just an unfortunate coincidence.
In reality I had been planning to make booster shot when my sister visited me (unannounced, don't ask why).
So I got shot when she left.
 

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This whistleblower discussion regarding the Pfizer covid-19 vaccine in the British Medical Journal is worth a read

Covid-19: Researcher blows the whistle on data integrity issues in Pfizer’s vaccine trial​

 

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Fact Check-Moderna’s COVID-19 vaccine does not contain luciferin or luciferase

The novel coronavirus vaccine manufactured by Moderna does not contain luciferin, an organic compound involved in bioluminescence, or the enzyme luciferase, contrary to claims on social media. While luciferase was involved in some COVID-19 research in the summer of 2020, none of the available vaccines contain either ingredient.

Suggesting a Satanic link, a post on Facebook reads, “MODERNA VACCINE CONTAINS "LUCIFERIN" IN A 66.6 SOLUTION. YOU CAN'T MAKE THIS STUFF UP (here). Other posts making this claim can be found here , here and here .
 

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You're rather privileged if could do so. Not everyone is.
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I don't understand why anyone can't get a different dentist or PCP or barber. Privileged? I don't understand.
Barber, sure.
But lots of people have health care providers chosen by someone else, like their insurance company.
Tom
Really? I have to choose in network but there are lots of them. Is this an urban/rural thing? Anyway, this is off topic from covid. I should probably stop.
Okay.
It's probably a rural thing. Around here there aren't many choices.
Tom
Huh? Guess private insurance is different.
I am in very rural Colorado and on Medicare. Not restricted to any network, but even if I was, I would walk out on an unvaxed doc. Without hesitation. My privilege is (probably) having resources enough to countersue any such Doctor who came after me for walking out of an appointment (and a complete disregard for “credit ratings”)
Medical science may be more than science, but it doesn’t include anti-science and I think trust is a critical component of effective healthcare.
 

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“MODERNA VACCINE CONTAINS "LUCIFERIN" IN A 66.6 SOLUTION. YOU CAN'T MAKE THIS STUFF UP
You also can never quite teach people that the Number of the Beast is not any combination of three sixes. 66.6 is not the same as Six Hundred Sixty Six. So even if this IS a significant number in the solution, it's not a Biblically Significant number.
Reminds me of the idiot in Porky's talking about 'KITE flying weather.' You're too stupid to be this superstitious, siddown.
 

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My wife just told me one of the shareholders for the company she works for has covid and is on a ventilator. He's a dentist. My first thought was how many of his patients did his unvaccinated ass infect.
Are you sure the dentist wasn't vaccinated? A close friend of mine told me this morning that her son in law died of COVID yesterday. He was fully vaccinated and had no preexisting conditions that would make him at high risk. He's been sick since September, on a ventilator etc. My point is that as most of you know, even a fully vaccinated person can die of COVID. It's rare but it happens. Health care providers are exposed to a lot of things, sometimes unknowingly. So, even a vaccinated health care provider can get COVID and can pass it on to others.

While I remain careful and always wear a mask when in a store or medical office, I sometimes eat in a restaurant if the tables are far apart and I attended a party last week. Everyone at my table had the vaccine. Was I taking a risk? Yes, but it was a small one, and I'm not going to live the rest of my life being constantly fearful of COVID. I've had workers in my house doing repair work, even before the vaccine. We all wore masks and kept a distance from each other. I don't wear my mask when I exercise with my workout group. We are all far apart and everyone I know there has been vaccinated. I wear my mask afterwards when I might need to get close to someone. I'm not judging anyone who isn't comfortable with what I do, but I feel that my precautions are reasonable and my risks are very small. I'm probably more at risk of dying in a car accident than from dying from COVID at this point. :)
 

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Fact Check-Moderna’s COVID-19 vaccine does not contain luciferin or luciferase

The novel coronavirus vaccine manufactured by Moderna does not contain luciferin, an organic compound involved in bioluminescence, or the enzyme luciferase, contrary to claims on social media. While luciferase was involved in some COVID-19 research in the summer of 2020, none of the available vaccines contain either ingredient.

Suggesting a Satanic link, a post on Facebook reads, “MODERNA VACCINE CONTAINS "LUCIFERIN" IN A 66.6 SOLUTION. YOU CAN'T MAKE THIS STUFF UP (here). Other posts making this claim can be found here , here and here .
Can't make this up? The right-wing? Made up shit is all they believe these days.
 

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My wife just told me one of the shareholders for the company she works for has covid and is on a ventilator. He's a dentist. My first thought was how many of his patients did his unvaccinated ass infect.
Are you sure the dentist wasn't vaccinated? A close friend of mine told me this morning that her son in law died of COVID yesterday. He was fully vaccinated and had no preexisting conditions that would make him at high risk. He's been sick since September, on a ventilator etc. My point is that as most of you know, even a fully vaccinated person can die of COVID. It's rare but it happens. Health care providers are exposed to a lot of things, sometimes unknowingly. So, even a vaccinated health care provider can get COVID and can pass it on to others.

While I remain careful and always wear a mask when in a store or medical office, I sometimes eat in a restaurant if the tables are far apart and I attended a party last week. Everyone at my table had the vaccine. Was I taking a risk? Yes, but it was a small one, and I'm not going to live the rest of my life being constantly fearful of COVID. I've had workers in my house doing repair work, even before the vaccine. We all wore masks and kept a distance from each other. I don't wear my mask when I exercise with my workout group. We are all far apart and everyone I know there has been vaccinated. I wear my mask afterwards when I might need to get close to someone. I'm not judging anyone who isn't comfortable with what I do, but I feel that my precautions are reasonable and my risks are very small. I'm probably more at risk of dying in a car accident than from dying from COVID at this point. :)
Actually I just assumed since it's so rare for a vaccinated individual to get so sick. I'll ask my wife if she can find out for sure.
 
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