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Daddy’s Boy

"That just means he's smart and therefore fit to be president." - Trump supporters
 
Probably he has a few shark lawyers and accountants that design his scams that he first got from his dad and later from very secretive referrals from those same lawyers/accountants.

These are probably some of the only guys he does not rip off. Rip them off and he would be completely destroyed.
 
NYC real estate was always known as a dirty business. Organized crime connected garbage collection, materials suppliers, unions. Political favoritism on zoning and regulations.

There was probably legal grey area quid pro quos between Giuliani and Trump.
 
This is stuff that most of us already suspected to good degree of certainty. That Trump's a tax cheat is kind of like saying that fish have gills. It's common knowledge. But the article really lays out it all out in great detail.

Oddly, what I think is most important for Trump fans to take from this article is that this fucker is as far from "self made" as one can get. Their image of him as a courageous captain of industry is bewildering to begin with, and hopefully this story and others like it will go just a little ways toward bringing them out of the fog they've been in for the last X number of years.

He is the epitome of a privileged trust fund baby who had everything handed to him. He's never done a day of work that threatened to put callouses on his hands, or ruin his back. He's never sweated a utility bill... hell, he's probably never even personally had to pay a utility bill or even open the envelope the bill came in.

It is continuously baffling to me how 100% of non-wealthy people don't hold this guy in contempt for who he is and what he represents. He's a disgustingly rich person cheating the system so that he can have even more.

By the bye, has anyone seen that awesome plan he had about being able to health insurance across state lines?
 
Opoponax said:
It is continuously baffling to me how 100% of non-wealthy people don't hold this guy in contempt for who he is and what he represents. He's a disgustingly rich person cheating the system so that he can have even more.
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The first response I saw from a Trump supporter today was "so he cheated on his taxes? He's smart! That's why he's rich!"

That's the sort of "thinking" you're up against.

By the bye, has anyone seen that awesome plan he had about being able to health insurance across state lines?
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It's in the bin along with the plans to "lock her up" and defeat ISIS within 30 days of his inauguration.
 
The talking heads on MSNBC were squeaking about a statute of limitations. Back when I was a VITA rep, I recall the creepy little IRS dude who instructed the course saying they could look back X number of years (7?) but if they found something in that timeframe, the gloves were off, they could go back as far as they liked.

I hope the Great State of New York rips him a new one. I'm ambivalent about getting Trump out of office before his time considering what is waiting in the wings. But I'd love to see the Trump organization get ripped to shreds. That would hurt Donald more than anything else. Take his precious.
 
Opoponax said:
This is stuff that most of us already suspected to good degree of certainty. That Trump's a tax cheat is kind of like saying that fish have gills. It's common knowledge.
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It mystifies me how the talking heads feign outrage at these astonishing revelations. The reaction of anyone who paid the least bit of attention to the Moron in Chief from the start of his rise to power, should be "WELL, DUH!"
 
Elixir said:
Opoponax said:
This is stuff that most of us already suspected to good degree of certainty. That Trump's a tax cheat is kind of like saying that fish have gills. It's common knowledge.
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It mystifies me how the talking heads feign outrage at these astonishing revelations. The reaction of anyone who paid the least bit of attention to the Moron in Chief from the start of his rise to power, should be "WELL, DUH!"
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Of course, but it also helps to have actual proof as this piece provides.
 
Elixir said:
It mystifies me how the talking heads feign outrage at these astonishing revelations.
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I don't think it's feigned. The shock is not the revelation, though, it's that they apparently did almost nothing to bury or obfuscate the backtrail.
Everyone else aspiring to that level of power takes much more care to hide the bodies, blur the faces, burn down the hall of records... You know, all the stuff you do, or your posse does, knowing that the entire media is going to perform a colonoscopy on your life, and that's even if you don't purposefully antagonize 98% of the industry.
 
All this story says to me is that the NYT has no respect for contextual timeliness in their releases. Seriously, all they had to do to not distract from the Kavanaugh issue was wait four more goddamn days. After all, it's not like the fraud trump committed will be any less relevant or timely given that all of this is ancient history, and BK is happening NOW.

Four fucking goddamn days. Hell, there are multiple new Kavanaugh allegations right now they could have run, and they could have STILL dominated the news cycle with this after the vote. And I can't help but think this isn't the first time that the NYT has had such suspect timing in their news cycle.
 
Ford said:
The first response I saw from a Trump supporter today was "so he cheated on his taxes? He's smart! That's why he's rich!"

That's the sort of "thinking" you're up against.
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Yes. Pathetic, but absolutely true.

While I still do check out conservative forums, I don't engage in them because hitting one's head against a brick wall only results in brain damage. There is no convincing these people. Also, you're summarily banned for not being in agreement. Their "arguments" are about e.g. just how deep the Derp State goes, not whether this thing actually exist. They argue about the degree of Trump's brilliance; as in, "He's so brilliant because he's doing this." The counterargument is, "No, he's brilliant because he's doing that and this."

I'm not exaggerating. It's so fucking weird and worrisome.

I ran across one earlier this morning who claimed the Wall was only going to cost $19-30 million, not the billions the MSM has so clearly lied about.

By the bye, has anyone seen that awesome plan he had about being able to health insurance across state lines?
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It's in the bin along with the plans to "lock her up" and defeat ISIS within 30 days of his inauguration.
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And these are things they simply don't discuss... Well, the thing about locking Hillary up is still going strong. There's a relevant number of Trumptards who think sincerely believe that Mueller is secretly investigating Hillary and Obama, and that this whole thing about conspiracy and obstruction is just a front for the Big Surprise that's going to be revealed when Mueller concludes the investigation. The dissenting argument to that is that Mueller is a Democrat/Socialist shill and--are you ready for it--here it comes------part of the deep state.

It's absurd conspiracy vs. absurd conspiracy. That's the substance of what they argue about.

But they don't discuss Trump's healthcare promises. State lines, better and cheaper for everyone, etc. It's as if he never said it.
 
Keith&Co. said:
Elixir said:
It mystifies me how the talking heads feign outrage at these astonishing revelations.
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I don't think it's feigned. The shock is not the revelation, though, it's that they apparently did almost nothing to bury or obfuscate the backtrail.
Everyone else aspiring to that level of power takes much more care to hide the bodies, blur the faces, burn down the hall of records... You know, all the stuff you do, or your posse does, knowing that the entire media is going to perform a colonoscopy on your life, and that's even if you don't purposefully antagonize 98% of the industry.
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Which seems to only lend strength to the notion that Trump didn't think he would win, but that he didn't want to win.

OTOH, when you hear people like Bannon talk about Trump as a candidate, they convincingly communicate that Trump wanted to win for A, B, and C reasons. Or maybe that's just them speaking to what they wanted from a Trump presidency.

Anyway though, yes, you don't run for office when you have so much obviously bad shit to hide that's already burst open the door to the closet and is laying in piles outside of it. At least nobody sane does.
 
Opoponax said:
Which seems to only lend strength to the notion that Trump didn't think he would win, but that he didn't want to win.
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Oh, yeah.
Plus, if anyone in the government, at any level, had tried to prosecute him for any crimes, he would scream that it was Hillary being a sore loser. Either her, directly, or her pulling strings, or someone trying to win favor with her... A Trump Loss as a presidential bid would have been a win-win.

OTOH, when you hear people like Bannon talk about Trump as a candidate, they convincingly communicate that Trump wanted to win for A, B, and C reasons. Or maybe that's just them speaking to what they wanted from a Trump presidency.
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But that's not on the other hand. That's part and parcel of this administration being less a campaign and more of a loose confederacy of individual agendas. Which Trump allowed because he had no real plans for implementing any agenda after the election.
So probably a string of handshakes with 'Yeah, sure, you can do whatever you want with (agency-he-doesn't-care-about)(or, more accurately: Agency.)" Then promise the next guy whatever he asks for...

Everyone comes away thinking that they're going to get their load onto the train...
 
Opoponax said:
Anyway though, yes, you don't run for office when you have so much obviously bad shit to hide that's already burst open the door to the closet and is laying in piles outside of it. At least nobody sane does.
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I'm not sure if it's necessarily sanity at issue as much as it has been an entire lifetime of special privilege combined with a careful grooming by narcissists that in turn was finally taken over by a modern day Machiavelli. He went from his father--a hyper patriarchal German--to Roy Cohn (a sociopathic hedonist) to Putin and all the while "fought" and "won" against no less a formidable obstacle as the IRS and the "government" (both State and Federal) countless times without ever once really having to do anything at all.
 
Jarhyn said:
All this story says to me is that the NYT has no respect for contextual timeliness in their releases. Seriously, all they had to do to not distract from the Kavanaugh issue was wait four more goddamn days. After all, it's not like the fraud trump committed will be any less relevant or timely given that all of this is ancient history, and BK is happening NOW.

Four fucking goddamn days. Hell, there are multiple new Kavanaugh allegations right now they could have run, and they could have STILL dominated the news cycle with this after the vote. And I can't help but think this isn't the first time that the NYT has had such suspect timing in their news cycle.
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So you think the NYT should be an arm of the Democratic party just like Trump alleges? You are explicitly calling for them to time their stories based on partisan considerations.
 
Axulus said:
Jarhyn said:
All this story says to me is that the NYT has no respect for contextual timeliness in their releases. Seriously, all they had to do to not distract from the Kavanaugh issue was wait four more goddamn days. After all, it's not like the fraud trump committed will be any less relevant or timely given that all of this is ancient history, and BK is happening NOW.

Four fucking goddamn days. Hell, there are multiple new Kavanaugh allegations right now they could have run, and they could have STILL dominated the news cycle with this after the vote. And I can't help but think this isn't the first time that the NYT has had such suspect timing in their news cycle.
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So you think the NYT should be an arm of the Democratic party just like Trump alleges? You are explicitly calling for them to time their stories based on partisan considerations.
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Nah, it's not that. It's just that The Donald should be be effusive with gratitude to the NYT for not harping on the corrupt, lying scumbag he nominated for the Supreme Court.
 
Jarhyn said:
All this story says to me is that the NYT has no respect for contextual timeliness in their releases. Seriously, all they had to do to not distract from the Kavanaugh issue was wait four more goddamn days. After all, it's not like the fraud trump committed will be any less relevant or timely given that all of this is ancient history, and BK is happening NOW.

Four fucking goddamn days. Hell, there are multiple new Kavanaugh allegations right now they could have run, and they could have STILL dominated the news cycle with this after the vote. And I can't help but think this isn't the first time that the NYT has had such suspect timing in their news cycle.
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What? Is this serious? I can’t tell.

If it is, are you old enough to remember newspapers? Do you recall ever reading one that only reported one story on every single page?
 
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