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Dear USA - Why are the goods on offer of such poor quality?

Dear USA
As an interested outsider I look at your circus acts known as the primaries and are alternatively bemused, appalled, horrified, terrified etc.
In a population of >300 million is H. Clinton, B. Sanders and D. Trump the best you have to offer?

Speaking from the not-so-safe zone of Australia I look at them and wonder.

Some comments (feel free to expand or ignore as you desire)

1. Clinton - Are you so bereft of new talent that you have to recycle the name Clinton? I thought you septics were opposed to dynastic families? She has enough baggage to sink the Titanic. Try as I might I cannot find any achievement of hers except for an indefatigable appetite for self-promotion. If she has some achievement worth of note please reply soonest.

Clinton's accomplishments are long-standing and varied. She has served as a Congressional legal counsel, on the board of directors of Wal Mart, founded a legal advocacy group for children and families, was twice elected US Senator from the State of New York, and held the most important diplomatic post in the world - Secretary of State of the United States of America - and served her country as head of the US State Department for 5 years. Her stints as First Lady of Arkansas and First Lady of the USA made her the closest advisor to the Governor and President, and placed her at the center of the Executive Branch of those institutions. She knows how power is wielded, and has wielded much of it herself. But her greatest achievement has been withstanding the relentless attacks on her as a person and politician from the right wing.

Make no mistake about this: the right wing absolutely hates her. There is no complaint too trivial, no attack too low, no snipe too mean, no critique too contrived for them. There is no hypocrisy too blatant or too odious for them to peddle if it means another slam against her.

Imagine for one moment if Clinton acted the same way Donald Trump does. Is there anyone here who thinks people would cheer if Hillary waved off questions in the same high-handed, smug fashion as The Donald and mocked the reporters asking them? Suppose she said the pyramids were built for grain storage, or she was a no-show for much of her time in the Senate. Suppose her eyes briefly glistened with unshed tears as they did during the last campaign. Would she be permitted to shed them without the right wing going crazy about her 'weakness'? Reagan could get weepy, Biden can choke up, Boehner can bawl like a calf. But the slightest sign of tears, or arrogance, or unconventional beliefs, or erratic job performance from her is unforgivable. So she shows none of those flaws. She is resolutely presidential at all times.

Clinton's greatest accomplishment is she has endured the worst her enemies could throw at her. She not only survived, she actually became stronger for it. She's tough. She's tough enough to take on anyone and prevail. But the right wing wants everyone to ignore all that. So now their strategy is to claim she hasn't accomplished anything. :rolleyes:

Now, wrt my favorite candidate:

2. B. Sanders - You septics go on about Sanders as if he was new and exciting or somehow brave. Come to Australia (or the UK for that matter) and you will discover that every union leader sounds like Sanders (and disturbingly they look remarkably similar). We tolerate them, occasionally listen to them, allow them to be elected to parliament (in a safe seat naturally) but would never let them be head of government.

Bernie Sanders isn't new, but a viable Progressive candidate hasn't come along in such a long time that for many younger voters he's a first. He's a satisfying combination of fiscal conservative and social liberal. He has plenty of experience (not as much as Clinton but more than enough to be a viable candidate), and as someone who has consistently won elections as an Independent, taps into the hope for change in a Progressive direction that many of the Democrats and unaffiliated voters want.

3. D. Trump - What can I say? Not much. We had a premier (of the state of Qld - I am looking at you master Bilby :mad:) that is our closest approximation to your dear Donald. He was scatter-brained too but had a coherence that Trump lacks. Tell Trump to look on Youtube for Sir Joh Belke-Peterson's press conferences. And pay attention on how to run a press conference and yet say nothing.

Trump is a sideshow act. He's entertaining. I doubt he can garner enough votes to win many delegates in the state primaries, but he's a spoiler for anyone who thought they'd have a smooth ride to the top.
 
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Clinton's greatest accomplishment is she has endured the worst her enemies could throw at her. She not only survived, she actually became stronger for it. She's tough
It is certainly true, she IS an american politician. I just wish there was less "politics" in US politics and more ideas.
 
For 2016, yes, this is what we have to offer.
 
... when it comes to a man like Sanders. While he is not a perfect saint, he seems a perfect fit for a decent president for all the people. Something I have never been able to say about any Australian president.

How many of our presidents have you assessed before making such a sweeping judgement?

Admittedly, the incumbent, Stephen Parry, is a Liberal and a Taswegian, making him less representative of Australians than many of his predecessors in the post of president; but, for example, Doug McClelland, president from 1983 to 1987, seems like a decent bloke, and as a Douglas Wilkie Medallist, has done much to free Victorians from the clutches of their state's most influential cult.

No doubt Tigers! feels even less friendly towards former President McClelland then he does towards the late (but not much lamented) Sir Joh, but what else could we expect from someone who expects to get a point for missing a kick at goal?
 
I feel like I need help the Yanks with this one.


Dear Australia,

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What were you saying about quality?
 
Dear USA
As an interested outsider I look at your circus acts known as the primaries and are alternatively bemused, appalled, horrified, terrified etc.
In a population of >300 million is H. Clinton, B. Sanders and D. Trump the best you have to offer?

Speaking from the not-so-safe zone of Australia I look at them and wonder.

Some comments (feel free to expand or ignore as you desire)

1. Clinton - Are you so bereft of new talent that you have to recycle the name Clinton? I thought you septics were opposed to dynastic families? She has enough baggage to sink the Titanic. Try as I might I cannot find any achievement of hers except for an indefatigable appetite for self-promotion. If she has some achievement worth of note please reply soonest.

2. B. Sanders - You septics go on about Sanders as if he was new and exciting or somehow brave. Come to Australia (or the UK for that matter) and you will discover that every union leader sounds like Sanders (and disturbingly they look remarkably similar). We tolerate them, occasionally listen to them, allow them to be elected to parliament (in a safe seat naturally) but would never let them be head of government.

3. D. Trump - What can I say? Not much. We had a premier (of the state of Qld - I am looking at you master Bilby :mad:) that is our closest approximation to your dear Donald. He was scatter-brained too but had a coherence that Trump lacks. Tell Trump to look on Youtube for Sir Joh Belke-Peterson's press conferences. And pay attention on how to run a press conference and yet say nothing.

If you cannot find any candidates with substance could you please build that wall that Trump wants and leave the rest of us alone and in peace?

Yours sincerely

Australia

(lol at wall)

As others point out, Clinton is actually a very accomplished individual, even by POTUS standards (or should I say especially by POTUS standards - cough*Reagan*cough*Dubya)

Sanders is a credible statesman who - like Corbyn in the UK - represents a big swathe of public opinion previously disenfranchised by party politics. With Sanders to her left, Clinton won't have to lean as far right to look like the centre.

Trump doesn't belong in the same universe. A comedy act gone too far with armageddon written all over him.
 
Dear USA
As an interested outsider I look at your circus acts known as the primaries and are alternatively bemused, appalled, horrified, terrified etc.
In a population of >300 million is H. Clinton, B. Sanders and D. Trump the best you have to offer?

US politics is shit.
 
Dear USA
As an interested outsider I look at your circus acts known as the primaries and are alternatively bemused, appalled, horrified, terrified etc.
In a population of >300 million is H. Clinton, B. Sanders and D. Trump the best you have to offer?

US politics is shit.

Politics is shit.
 
Dear USA
As an interested outsider I look at your circus acts known as the primaries and are alternatively bemused, appalled, horrified, terrified etc.
In a population of >300 million is H. Clinton, B. Sanders and D. Trump the best you have to offer?

Speaking from the not-so-safe zone of Australia I look at them and wonder.

Some comments (feel free to expand or ignore as you desire)

1. Clinton - Are you so bereft of new talent that you have to recycle the name Clinton? I thought you septics were opposed to dynastic families? She has enough baggage to sink the Titanic. Try as I might I cannot find any achievement of hers except for an indefatigable appetite for self-promotion. If she has some achievement worth of note please reply soonest.

2. B. Sanders - You septics go on about Sanders as if he was new and exciting or somehow brave. Come to Australia (or the UK for that matter) and you will discover that every union leader sounds like Sanders (and disturbingly they look remarkably similar). We tolerate them, occasionally listen to them, allow them to be elected to parliament (in a safe seat naturally) but would never let them be head of government.

3. D. Trump - What can I say? Not much. We had a premier (of the state of Qld - I am looking at you master Bilby :mad:) that is our closest approximation to your dear Donald. He was scatter-brained too but had a coherence that Trump lacks. Tell Trump to look on Youtube for Sir Joh Belke-Peterson's press conferences. And pay attention on how to run a press conference and yet say nothing.

If you cannot find any candidates with substance could you please build that wall that Trump wants and leave the rest of us alone and in peace?

Yours sincerely

Australia

Sure. As soon as you can explain this:

Once a jolly swagman
Sat beside the billabong
Under the shade of the coolibah tree
And he sang as he sat
And waited by the billabong
You’ll come a waltzing Matilda
With me

Waltzing Matilda
Waltzing Matilda
You’ll come a waltzing
Matilda with me
And he sang as he sat
And waited by the billabong
You’ll come a waltzing Matilda
With me

Down came a jumbuck
To drink beside the billabong
Up jumped the swagman
And seized him with glee
And he sang as he tucked
That jumbuck in his tuckerbag
You’ll come a waltzing Matilda
With me

Waltzing Matilda
Waltzing Matilda
You’ll come a waltzing
Matilda with me
And he sang as he sat
And waited by the billabong
You’ll come a waltzing Matilda
With me

Once a jolly traveler
Sat beside the clear blue lake
Under the shade of the tall, tall tree
And he sang as he sat
And waited by the clear blue lake
You’ll come a waltzing Matilda
With me

Waltzing Matilda
Waltzing Matilda
You’ll come a waltzing
Matilda with me
And he sang as he sat
And waited by the billabong
You’ll come a waltzing Matilda
With me

Oh, and vegemite. Please explain that too.
 
Dear USA
As an interested outsider I look at your circus acts known as the primaries and are alternatively bemused, appalled, horrified, terrified etc.
In a population of >300 million is H. Clinton, B. Sanders and D. Trump the best you have to offer?

Speaking from the not-so-safe zone of Australia I look at them and wonder.

Some comments (feel free to expand or ignore as you desire)

1. Clinton - Are you so bereft of new talent that you have to recycle the name Clinton? I thought you septics were opposed to dynastic families? She has enough baggage to sink the Titanic. Try as I might I cannot find any achievement of hers except for an indefatigable appetite for self-promotion. If she has some achievement worth of note please reply soonest.

2. B. Sanders - You septics go on about Sanders as if he was new and exciting or somehow brave. Come to Australia (or the UK for that matter) and you will discover that every union leader sounds like Sanders (and disturbingly they look remarkably similar). We tolerate them, occasionally listen to them, allow them to be elected to parliament (in a safe seat naturally) but would never let them be head of government.

3. D. Trump - What can I say? Not much. We had a premier (of the state of Qld - I am looking at you master Bilby :mad:) that is our closest approximation to your dear Donald. He was scatter-brained too but had a coherence that Trump lacks. Tell Trump to look on Youtube for Sir Joh Belke-Peterson's press conferences. And pay attention on how to run a press conference and yet say nothing.

If you cannot find any candidates with substance could you please build that wall that Trump wants and leave the rest of us alone and in peace?

Yours sincerely

Australia

Whatever you say, Crocodile Dundee.
 
Dear USA
As an interested outsider I look at your circus acts known as the primaries and are alternatively bemused, appalled, horrified, terrified etc.
In a population of >300 million is H. Clinton, B. Sanders and D. Trump the best you have to offer?

Speaking from the not-so-safe zone of Australia I look at them and wonder.

Some comments (feel free to expand or ignore as you desire)

1. Clinton - Are you so bereft of new talent that you have to recycle the name Clinton? I thought you septics were opposed to dynastic families? She has enough baggage to sink the Titanic. Try as I might I cannot find any achievement of hers except for an indefatigable appetite for self-promotion. If she has some achievement worth of note please reply soonest.

2. B. Sanders - You septics go on about Sanders as if he was new and exciting or somehow brave. Come to Australia (or the UK for that matter) and you will discover that every union leader sounds like Sanders (and disturbingly they look remarkably similar). We tolerate them, occasionally listen to them, allow them to be elected to parliament (in a safe seat naturally) but would never let them be head of government.

3. D. Trump - What can I say? Not much. We had a premier (of the state of Qld - I am looking at you master Bilby :mad:) that is our closest approximation to your dear Donald. He was scatter-brained too but had a coherence that Trump lacks. Tell Trump to look on Youtube for Sir Joh Belke-Peterson's press conferences. And pay attention on how to run a press conference and yet say nothing.

If you cannot find any candidates with substance could you please build that wall that Trump wants and leave the rest of us alone and in peace?

Yours sincerely

Australia

Trump is our winning quarterback. He's our ace in the hole. He's the guy that will bring America and the rest of the world to a new era of prosperity. Be thankful that we have him and that's he's willing to make America great again.

The challenge to making this possible lies with getting him elected, and to do that, he must win the hearts and minds of the voters. Fortunately, he's a winner and knows how to make that happen. He knows we're crazy, and he's knows that in order to tap into that, he must identify with who we are at heart. That's why he casts aside who he is and puts on his movie role persona and pretends that he himself is a nut case. Judge not the man for how you perceive him to be, as that's merely a necessary ruse; judge instead his ability to successfully get the job done and bring us up from our knees. He can get us out of the darkness by bringing the light of admirable prosperity to mankind the globe over.

<brought to you by Fireball cinnamon whiskey>
 
In Back to the Future, Marty is stranded in the past and must find Doc in the 1950's, 30(?) years before he invents the time machine that sent Marty back, to help him repair it and return home. Marty finds him and has to convince Doc that he is actually from the future. Doc asks, "If you're from the future, who is the President of the United States?", to which Marty responds, "Ronald Regan". Doc exclaims, "The actor!!!??", in complete disbelief. Later, Marty is able to hook up his 1980's VCR camcorder to doc's 1950's black and white TV set, and play a video of Doc, in the future, explaining how he invented the Flux Capacitor. Doc, now believing Marty, says, "With everyone running around with these portable movie studios on their shoulders, OF COURSE THE PRESIDENT HAS TO BE AN ACTOR.. Remarkable!".

So, in the spirit of the prophetic, Back to the Future, I say to you, with respect to the commoditization of the US government and proliferation of business lobby groups...

DONALD TRUMP!!!???!! THE BUSINESSMAN??!!!

well... yes, maybe.
 
In Back to the Future, Marty is stranded in the past and must find Doc in the 1950's, 30(?) years before he invents the time machine that sent Marty back, to help him repair it and return home. Marty finds him and has to convince Doc that he is actually from the future. Doc asks, "If you're from the future, who is the President of the United States?", to which Marty responds, "Ronald Regan". Doc exclaims, "The actor!!!??", in complete disbelief. Later, Marty is able to hook up his 1980's VCR camcorder to doc's 1950's black and white TV set, and play a video of Doc, in the future, explaining how he invented the Flux Capacitor. Doc, now believing Marty, says, "With everyone running around with these portable movie studios on their shoulders, OF COURSE THE PRESIDENT HAS TO BE AN ACTOR.. Remarkable!".

So, in the spirit of the prophetic, Back to the Future, I say to you, with respect to the commoditization of the US government and proliferation of business lobby groups...

DONALD TRUMP!!!???!! THE BUSINESSMAN??!!!

well... yes, maybe.

Have you been studying under dystopian? If not, then you really stumbled onto a real high level dystopia on your own. It is almost as bad as reality.:thinking:
 
Dear USA
As an interested outsider I look at your circus acts known as the primaries and are alternatively bemused, appalled, horrified, terrified etc.
In a population of >300 million is H. Clinton, B. Sanders and D. Trump the best you have to offer?

Speaking from the not-so-safe zone of Australia I look at them and wonder.

Some comments (feel free to expand or ignore as you desire)

1. Clinton - Are you so bereft of new talent that you have to recycle the name Clinton? I thought you septics were opposed to dynastic families? She has enough baggage to sink the Titanic. Try as I might I cannot find any achievement of hers except for an indefatigable appetite for self-promotion. If she has some achievement worth of note please reply soonest.

2. B. Sanders - You septics go on about Sanders as if he was new and exciting or somehow brave. Come to Australia (or the UK for that matter) and you will discover that every union leader sounds like Sanders (and disturbingly they look remarkably similar). We tolerate them, occasionally listen to them, allow them to be elected to parliament (in a safe seat naturally) but would never let them be head of government.

3. D. Trump - What can I say? Not much. We had a premier (of the state of Qld - I am looking at you master Bilby :mad:) that is our closest approximation to your dear Donald. He was scatter-brained too but had a coherence that Trump lacks. Tell Trump to look on Youtube for Sir Joh Belke-Peterson's press conferences. And pay attention on how to run a press conference and yet say nothing.

If you cannot find any candidates with substance could you please build that wall that Trump wants and leave the rest of us alone and in peace?

Yours sincerely

Australia

Sure. As soon as you can explain this:

Once a jolly swagman
Sat beside the billabong
Under the shade of the coolibah tree
And he sang as he sat
And waited by the billabong
You’ll come a waltzing Matilda
With me

Waltzing Matilda
Waltzing Matilda
You’ll come a waltzing
Matilda with me
And he sang as he sat
And waited by the billabong
You’ll come a waltzing Matilda
With me

Down came a jumbuck
To drink beside the billabong
Up jumped the swagman
And seized him with glee
And he sang as he tucked
That jumbuck in his tuckerbag
You’ll come a waltzing Matilda
With me

Waltzing Matilda
Waltzing Matilda
You’ll come a waltzing
Matilda with me
And he sang as he sat
And waited by the billabong
You’ll come a waltzing Matilda
With me

Once a jolly traveler
Sat beside the clear blue lake
Under the shade of the tall, tall tree
And he sang as he sat
And waited by the clear blue lake
You’ll come a waltzing Matilda
With me

Waltzing Matilda
Waltzing Matilda
You’ll come a waltzing
Matilda with me
And he sang as he sat
And waited by the billabong
You’ll come a waltzing Matilda
With me

Oh, and vegemite. Please explain that too.

Matilda is his swag or sleeping blanket.

I can't explain vegemite. I love it but can't explain it.
 
To Akirk
The Queen ugly? Have you had a good look at Clinton lately?

(Not that I suggest looks are any determinant for ability.)
 
What concerns me most is that whomever you Yanks elect will have a great effect on Australia (and other nations) for good or ill. (The converse does not necessarily apply).

I have seen some of these debates (I know I am a glutton for punishment) and have not been impressed terribly much. There is too much 'gotcha' chasing, shallow thinking and lack of vision etc..

Oscar Wilde spoke of those who look at the stars and those who look at the mud. We (nations in general) have so many mud lookers but not those who look at the stars. None of the 3 (the ones we always hear about in Oz) seem to have much vision.

Your primaries are an endurance race that seems to work by a perverse survival of the fattest. The best seem not to survive but rather those who have deep pockets, thick skin and a liking for self-flagellation. Stamina not ideas or vision are most necessary.
 
Trump is our winning quarterback. He's our ace in the hole. He's the guy that will bring America and the rest of the world to a new era of prosperity. Be thankful that we have him and that's he's willing to make America great again.
I am glad that you have Trump in the US. I am concerned that you will let him escape.
 
What concerns me most is that whomever you Yanks elect will have a great effect on Australia (and other nations) for good or ill. (The converse does not necessarily apply).

I have seen some of these debates (I know I am a glutton for punishment) and have not been impressed terribly much. There is too much 'gotcha' chasing, shallow thinking and lack of vision etc..

Oscar Wilde spoke of those who look at the stars and those who look at the mud. We (nations in general) have so many mud lookers but not those who look at the stars. None of the 3 (the ones we always hear about in Oz) seem to have much vision.

Your primaries are an endurance race that seems to work by a perverse survival of the fattest. The best seem not to survive but rather those who have deep pockets, thick skin and a liking for self-flagellation. Stamina not ideas or vision are most necessary.

What's up with this, "you yanks?" Is that short for Yankees? If it is, I ain't no damn Yankee. If it isn't, I still ain't no damn Yankee. I's be a Rebel!

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Trump is our winning quarterback. He's our ace in the hole. He's the guy that will bring America and the rest of the world to a new era of prosperity. Be thankful that we have him and that's he's willing to make America great again.
I am glad that you have Trump in the US. I am concerned that you will let him escape.


We have a tracking device on his collar.
 
What's up with this, "you yanks?" Is that short for Yankees? If it is, I ain't no damn Yankee. If it isn't, I still ain't no damn Yankee. I's be a Rebel!
Just a collective noun mate.
We prefer the diminutive terms in Australia i.e. we tend to shorten nouns and drop off the last syllable.

No need to get your nappy in a knot.
 
What's up with this, "you yanks?" Is that short for Yankees? If it is, I ain't no damn Yankee. If it isn't, I still ain't no damn Yankee. I's be a Rebel!
Just a collective noun mate.
We prefer the diminutive terms in Australia i.e. we tend to shorten nouns and drop off the last syllable.

No need to get your nappy in a knot.
I've never been told that before. :D
 
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