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After the 2010 "shellacking", House Democrats, in their infinitesimal wisdom decided to keep Nancy Pelosi on as minority leader. As Speaker, she managed to hold on to the House majority for four whole years.
In 2014, GOP got their biggest majority in the House since 1928. Is Nancy Pelosi finally going to go?
Also, GOP won the majority in the Senate. Will Senate Democrats have a bit more sense and get rid of the decidedly illiberal Harry Reid?

In addition to being losers, Pelosi (74) and Reid (almost 75) are also very old. This is a problem with the Democratic party today even among presidential candidates where people are talking most about Hillary, Biden, Brown, Warren and Sanders who are all of social security age.
 
The elected politicians are rarely "leaders".

They sometimes listen to the "mob", if it is loud enough.

But usually they get their marching orders from representatives of great wealth.
 
Does anyone actually think Pelosi and Reid are appealing people who represent the party well?
 
Would you guys like Warren?

And to answer your question Derec: Yes, presidents tend to be in their 60s when elected.
 
Nice Squirrel said:
And to answer your question Derec: Yes, presidents tend to be in their 60s when elected.
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Actually there were only 3 people who were >65 when first inaugurated: William Harrison (who died only a month in), James Buchanan and Ronald Reagan. There were 7 more in their 60s when first inaugurated, but most were younger than that. We never elected somebody in their seventies to a first term and several of Democratic hopefuls are that old.
 
Nice Squirrel said:
Would you guys like Warren?
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When I have seen her speak on TV I have not found her to be particularly personable or appealing -- irrespective of her politics.

Of the above list I think Biden is the most personally appealing - again irrespective of what he says because I think he's something of a buffoon. Hills is probably second but she's about a C- on personal appeal.

Unless the "Sanders" is referring to Colonel Sanders.
 
dismal said:
Fried chicken = racism. Try to keep up.
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Exactly. It's a horrendously anti-chicken attitude which stereotypes them soley as meat for consumption and not as valuable animals with thoughts and feelings that should be respected and treasured. :mad:
 
I would love to see Warren run, and were I eligible to vote in the US, I would vote for her for sure. But from what I have seen and read of her, she really can do more good where she is than she could do in the white house. My only hope for her in connection with the presidency is that she enough waves to sway Hillary (or whoever wins) a little towards holding the bankers responsible.

Sanders makes a lot of sense and I would love to do him do the same, though I'm not sure I'd want to see him in the presidency itself. He strikes me as too old and too single issue foccussed. Would like to see him as VP or some prominent cabinet position though.
 
This thread went downhill in a hurry. Not directed at you Jolly.

I really am not a fan of the current leadership of the Democrats. They would be better off to stick to their traditional New Deal positions instead of moving to the right in an attempt to box in or triangulate the Republicans. The movement to the right has made the BS coming from the Republicans seem to be valid. a reasonable way to run the country when it is not.
 
SimpleDon said:
This thread went downhill in a hurry. Not directed at you Jolly.

I really am not a fan of the current leadership of the Democrats. They would be better off to stick to their traditional New Deal positions instead of moving to the right in an attempt to box in or triangulate the Republicans. The movement to the right has made the BS coming from the Republicans seem to be valid. a reasonable way to run the country when it is not.
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But the further to the right the GOP goes, the more value there is in the Dems being as centrist as possible. The left doesn't have another option and those who stay home in a huff or piss their vote away on a third party are more than made up for by those who want to vote for a party that isn't radical one way or the other.
 
SimpleDon said:
This thread went downhill in a hurry. Not directed at you Jolly.

I really am not a fan of the current leadership of the Democrats. They would be better off to stick to their traditional New Deal positions instead of moving to the right in an attempt to box in or triangulate the Republicans. The movement to the right has made the BS coming from the Republicans seem to be valid. a reasonable way to run the country when it is not.
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The likes of Warren and Sanders may start pulling the party back to the left. I don't think party leadership has quite caught the wave just yet, but it won't be long. The DCC is much more nimble in responding to shifts like this than is the GOP.
 
The 2010 was an odd election. Took 8000 or so dead or maimed American soldiers and $500ish billion in Iraq for the Republicans to lose control of the House and Senate. All it took for Dems to lose in a historical landslide was passing a bill to make access to health care a little bit easier. Tells you who is better at getting the message out.
Derec said:
After the 2010 "shellacking", House Democrats, in their infinitesimal wisdom decided to keep Nancy Pelosi on as minority leader. As Speaker, she managed to hold on to the House majority for four whole years.
In 2014, GOP got their biggest majority in the House since 1928. Is Nancy Pelosi finally going to go?
Also, GOP won the majority in the Senate. Will Senate Democrats have a bit more sense and get rid of the decidedly illiberal Harry Reid?
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If Nevada didn't nominate that crackpot lunatic Angle, Reid would have lost. Reid is better for the Republicans. Jebus! The Republicans don't know what a liberal actually is... and it isn't fucking Reid.

This is a problem with the Democratic party today even among presidential candidates where people are talking most about Hillary, Biden, Brown, Warren and Sanders who are all of social security age.
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The age may be up there, but at least the lunacy isn't.
 
I have to say that I prefer the current leaders of the party than the ones that were around when I was a lad. At least now they win occasionally.
 
KeepTalking said:
SimpleDon said:
This thread went downhill in a hurry. Not directed at you Jolly.

I really am not a fan of the current leadership of the Democrats. They would be better off to stick to their traditional New Deal positions instead of moving to the right in an attempt to box in or triangulate the Republicans. The movement to the right has made the BS coming from the Republicans seem to be valid. a reasonable way to run the country when it is not.
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The likes of Warren and Sanders may start pulling the party back to the left. I don't think party leadership has quite caught the wave just yet, but it won't be long. The DCC is much more nimble in responding to shifts like this than is the GOP.
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I feel like we've been saying the same thing about a bunch of people nobody hears about anymore for one reason or another. Howard Dean, Mike Gravel, Anthony Weiner, Dennis Kucinich, Russ Feingold, Alan Grayson... all of whom either had scandals or fatal PR moments, or just lost re-election. Never seems to stick.
 
PyramidHead said:
KeepTalking said:
The likes of Warren and Sanders may start pulling the party back to the left. I don't think party leadership has quite caught the wave just yet, but it won't be long. The DCC is much more nimble in responding to shifts like this than is the GOP.
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I feel like we've been saying the same thing about a bunch of people nobody hears about anymore for one reason or another. Howard Dean, Mike Gravel, Anthony Weiner, Dennis Kucinich, Russ Feingold, Alan Grayson... all of whom either had scandals or fatal PR moments, or just lost re-election. Never seems to stick.
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Hope springs eternal.
 
KeepTalking said:
PyramidHead said:
I feel like we've been saying the same thing about a bunch of people nobody hears about anymore for one reason or another. Howard Dean, Mike Gravel, Anthony Weiner, Dennis Kucinich, Russ Feingold, Alan Grayson... all of whom either had scandals or fatal PR moments, or just lost re-election. Never seems to stick.
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Hope springs eternal.
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Obama pretty much capped the spring with concrete. He seems to be the most "liberal" guy we can get elected.
 
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