Democrats Confirm Torturer As Director Of CIA

[RVonse]

https://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2018/05/19/64514/

This short article will not take that much of your time and is worth the read.

I sure know how I feel about this and its not good. But more important is how most people this forum (who seem to have a liberal tilt) here feel about allowing a known torturer as the leader of our CIA.

And even more to the point. If liberals seem to accept torture and flock to the war mongering politicians like Hillary, do these same liberals really think they have a moral standing and authority so say where this country should be heading?

We hear on a daily basis how un moral Trump is with his multiple marriages and prostitutes. But compared to this new director, I think Trump looks like mother Teresa having good morals!

 

[laughing dog]

https://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2018/05/19/64514/

This short article will not take that much of your time and is worth the read.

I sure know how I feel about this and its not good. But more important is how most people this forum (who seem to have a liberal tilt) here feel about allowing a known torturer as the leader of our CIA.

And even more to the point. If liberals seem to accept torture and flock to the war mongering politicians like Hillary, do these same liberals really think they have a moral standing and authority so say where this country should be heading?

We hear on a daily basis how un moral Trump is with his multiple marriages and prostitutes. But compared to this new director, I think Trump looks like mother Teresa having good morals!

Trump endorses the use of torture.

Also, if Paul Craig Roberts cannot distinguish between genocide (Milosevic's crime) and torture, there is no reason to pay attention to his opinions. Neither torture or genocide is acceptable, but one would hope that it is obvious that genocide is magnitudes worse than torture.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

https://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2018/05/19/64514/

This short article will not take that much of your time and is worth the read.

I sure know how I feel about this and its not good. But more important is how most people this forum (who seem to have a liberal tilt) here feel about allowing a known torturer as the leader of our CIA.

It wasn't just torture, she also destroyed evidence as well.

And even more to the point. If liberals seem to accept torture and flock to the war mongering politicians like Hillary, do these same liberals really think they have a moral standing and authority so say where this country should be heading?

I think the liberals who voted for Haspel aren't actually liberals (and not in a True Scotsman sort of way), they are Democrats, there is a notable distinction. And those Democrats who voted for her did so for electoral reasons because a vote against her would have been serious fodder for the GOP to use against them in November.

What really sucks is that the Democrats pushed her over the top as the Republicans did not have the votes to make it happen. The Democrat votes for her prove that America is indeed a reddish shade of purple is the battleground states when it comes to "security" and Americans' ridiculous understanding of it.

We hear on a daily basis how un moral Trump is with his multiple marriages and prostitutes. But compared to this new director, I think Trump looks like mother Teresa having good morals!

And no, Trump does not look like Teresa compared to her.

 

[Keith&Co.]

Trump endorses the use of torture.

Trump made war crimes a campaign promise.

 

[Elixir]

It wasn't just torture, she also destroyed evidence as well.

I think the liberals who voted for Haspel aren't actually liberals (and not in a True Scotsman sort of way), they are Democrats, there is a notable distinction. And those Democrats who voted for her did so for electoral reasons because a vote against her would have been serious fodder for the GOP to use against them in November.

What really sucks is that the Democrats pushed her over the top as the Republicans did not have the votes to make it happen. The Democrat votes for her prove that America is indeed a reddish shade of purple is the battleground states when it comes to "security" and Americans' ridiculous understanding of it.

We hear on a daily basis how un moral Trump is with his multiple marriages and prostitutes. But compared to this new director, I think Trump looks like mother Teresa having good morals!

And no, Trump does not look like Teresa compared to her.

More important IMHO is that she appears to favor the rule of law. Had the Dems blocker her nomination it would have given Cheato a chance to nominate one his proven loyalist sycophants.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

It wasn't just torture, she also destroyed evidence as well.

I think the liberals who voted for Haspel aren't actually liberals (and not in a True Scotsman sort of way), they are Democrats, there is a notable distinction. And those Democrats who voted for her did so for electoral reasons because a vote against her would have been serious fodder for the GOP to use against them in November.

What really sucks is that the Democrats pushed her over the top as the Republicans did not have the votes to make it happen. The Democrat votes for her prove that America is indeed a reddish shade of purple is the battleground states when it comes to "security" and Americans' ridiculous understanding of it.

We hear on a daily basis how un moral Trump is with his multiple marriages and prostitutes. But compared to this new director, I think Trump looks like mother Teresa having good morals!

And no, Trump does not look like Teresa compared to her.

More important IMHO is that she appears to favor the rule of law. Had the Dems blocker her nomination it would have given Cheato a chance to nominate one his proven loyalist sycophants.

What?! Her 'Well, I think we should go with the higher road thing that Obama decided on' bullshit was supreme bullshit. The US was anti-torture before W. She made it seem like it was an innocent moral quandary, but it was a position that was arrived at a long time ago. And then she destroyed the evidence of it all. She should never have been nominated, forget about being confirmed. Her nomination was the CIA's version of Bork being nominated for SCOTUS.

 

[Underseer]

https://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2018/05/19/64514/

This short article will not take that much of your time and is worth the read.

I sure know how I feel about this and its not good. But more important is how most people this forum (who seem to have a liberal tilt) here feel about allowing a known torturer as the leader of our CIA.

And even more to the point. If liberals seem to accept torture and flock to the war mongering politicians like Hillary, do these same liberals really think they have a moral standing and authority so say where this country should be heading?

We hear on a daily basis how un moral Trump is with his multiple marriages and prostitutes. But compared to this new director, I think Trump looks like mother Teresa having good morals!

Why wouldn't I be pissed about every Democratic politician who voted for this war criminal?

Oh.

Right.

You always put party before country, so you assume that liberals must also do the same thing. I mean, war crimes are good if someone from your side does it, so of course we dirty liberals must do the same thing because both sides are exactly as bad right?

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

https://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2018/05/19/64514/

This short article will not take that much of your time and is worth the read.

I sure know how I feel about this and its not good. But more important is how most people this forum (who seem to have a liberal tilt) here feel about allowing a known torturer as the leader of our CIA.

And even more to the point. If liberals seem to accept torture and flock to the war mongering politicians like Hillary, do these same liberals really think they have a moral standing and authority so say where this country should be heading?

We hear on a daily basis how un moral Trump is with his multiple marriages and prostitutes. But compared to this new director, I think Trump looks like mother Teresa having good morals!

Why wouldn't I be pissed about every Democratic politician who voted for this war criminal?

Oh.

Right.

You always put party before country, so you assume that liberals must also do the same thing. I mean, war crimes are good if someone from your side does it, so of course we dirty liberals must do the same thing because both sides are exactly as bad right?

I thought RVonse was more anti-government. Certainly not pro-GOP.

 

[J842P]

https://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2018/05/19/64514/

This short article will not take that much of your time and is worth the read.

I sure know how I feel about this and its not good. But more important is how most people this forum (who seem to have a liberal tilt) here feel about allowing a known torturer as the leader of our CIA.

And even more to the point. If liberals seem to accept torture and flock to the war mongering politicians like Hillary, do these same liberals really think they have a moral standing and authority so say where this country should be heading?

We hear on a daily basis how un moral Trump is with his multiple marriages and prostitutes. But compared to this new director, I think Trump looks like mother Teresa having good morals!

Why wouldn't I be pissed about every Democratic politician who voted for this war criminal?

Oh.

Right.

You always put party before country, so you assume that liberals must also do the same thing. I mean, war crimes are good if someone from your side does it, so of course we dirty liberals must do the same thing because both sides are exactly as bad right?

I thought RVonse was more anti-government. Certainly not pro-GOP.

RVonse, if I remember correctly, was a Democratic voter until recently. I don't think he is a libertarian or anything.

 

[prideandfall]

If liberals seem to accept torture and flock to the war mongering politicians like Hillary, do these same liberals really think they have a moral standing and authority so say where this country should be heading?

you're conflating "liberals" with "democrats" which is an incorrect assumption.
most people buy into the moore/coulter false dichotomy, that "both sides are just as bad" and think that politically the two parties in the US represent equal sides of the political divine.
in actuality, if 0 is the most liberal you could be and 100 is the most conservative you could be, republicans are at like 92 and democrats are at about 57.

but anyways, appointments are one of those things where there is little if any way to really stand against them if your party has a notable minority in the legislative body, as the "other side" can simply outvote you and further use the circumstance as a wedge issue to really fuck you over.
i'd say more accurately the american people confirmed the new CIA director, since they're the ones who caused the numbers to be what they are in the house and the senate.

 

[Elixir]

i'd say more accurately the american people confirmed the new CIA director, since they're the ones who caused the numbers to be what they are in the house and the senate.

Yeah, and there are very fine people on both sides of the aisle.
(You just have to look a lot harder to find them on the right.)

 

[Koyaanisqatsi]

https://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2018/05/19/64514/

This short article will not take that much of your time and is worth the read.

I sure know how I feel about this and its not good. But more important is how most people this forum (who seem to have a liberal tilt) here feel about allowing a known torturer as the leader of our CIA.

It’s despicable and the six turncoats should be hanging by piano wire in The Hague along with all the Republicans and Trump and Haspel and the Bush cabal that started it all.

We hear on a daily basis how un moral Trump is with his multiple marriages and prostitutes. But compared to this new director, I think Trump looks like mother Teresa having good morals!

Trump appointed her.

You appear to be engaging in whataboutism, which in turn is predicated on a giant strawman. As someone else pointed out, only Republicans think in terms of party first. Everyone who had anything to do with installing Haspel are traitors to America, regardless of party.

 

[Emily Lake]

Trump endorses the use of torture.

Trump made war crimes a campaign promise.

I don't know what this means. What campaign promise?

 

[J842P]

Trump endorses the use of torture.

Trump made war crimes a campaign promise.

I don't know what this means. What campaign promise?

Well, you can waffle about whether or not he supported torture, with his waterboarding comments, but he claimed that the US should assassinate the family members of terrorists, which would definitely be a war crime.

 

[braces_for_impact]

It's interesting how the far left sometimes ends up with some very strange ideas. Insisting Russiagate is a made up distraction, supporting Venezuela, Clinton becomes the worst warmonger ever. Where's the perspective?

 

[Trausti]

Why are liberals so afraid of strong female figures? Triggered that the CIA is now run by a woman? Stop the sexism, damn it.

 

[RVonse]

I thought RVonse was more anti-government. Certainly not pro-GOP.

RVonse, if I remember correctly, was a Democratic voter until recently. I don't think he is a libertarian or anything.

Id like to become a democrat again but they continue to keep showing me how they have advanced from clown show to freak show. For the moment Higgins has it right. Both parties (meaning all of the government) represents scum and villainy to me.

 

[funinspace]

I thought RVonse was more anti-government. Certainly not pro-GOP.

RVonse, if I remember correctly, was a Democratic voter until recently. I don't think he is a libertarian or anything.

Id like to become a democrat again but they continue to keep showing me how they have advanced from clown show to freak show. For the moment Higgins has it right. Both parties (meaning all of the government) represents scum and villainy to me.

What I don't get is how you fixate on 'how the Dums are just as bad' notion even when it is obviously an obtuse idea. Your hero FFvC nominated this asshat as CIA director. The first BAD goes this SCROTUS. Secondly, all but 2 Repugs voted to confirm. Yet you fixate on the 5 or 6 Dums that came over. 96% of the Repugs backed her, and 88% of the Dums were against her...WTF?

And yet again, you read and post a link to the crackpot PCRs...

 

[Koyaanisqatsi]

I thought RVonse was more anti-government. Certainly not pro-GOP.

RVonse, if I remember correctly, was a Democratic voter until recently. I don't think he is a libertarian or anything.

Id like to become a democrat again but they continue to keep showing me how they have advanced from clown show to freak show. For the moment Higgins has it right. Both parties (meaning all of the government) represents scum and villainy to me.

Yes, the “equivocation fallacy” of the Sanders’ fraud (that nevertheless hypocritically didn’t compel him to form his own party or run on one of the other already existing party platforms). Well worn. 5-10% error/corruption on the left equals 90-95% error/corruption on the right. The right wins again.

 

[Koyaanisqatsi]

It's interesting how the far left sometimes ends up with some very strange ideas regurgitating Republican talking points.

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