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Derail from Feminist Gamer: Catcalling on the Streets
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How did you get anybody? What is the problem in expressing interest in wanting to have sex with someone if you are polite and courteous about it?
None. Doing the body language version of "i want to fuck you" to a unwanting recepient is neither polite nor courteous.
Derec
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It's not even about expressing interest. Merely having interest after looking at a woman is condemned by Juma. It's the Christian "whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart" in a feminist garb.
Dude. Saudi Arabia called. Your visa application has been approved because you're their kind of people.
No. It is about your failure to keep you from staring and drooling. Keep your libido in check. You have no right to clame any woman just because you get horny.
So you have no other way to make contact with women? It is so sad...
Derec
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Looking is not the same as staring. And nobody said anything about drooling. You mentioned "body language" which is hardly the same thing. I have no idea what "clame" means though. Is it Arabic?
Sabine Grant
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IMO, a point which seems to be dismissed is that cat-calling falls under the pattern of women being so often objectified. It is difficult for a woman to not experience the sense of being viewed as a sexual object when being greeted by stranger males with "cat-calls". That because there had been such a predominance of women being viewed as property, chattel, their role in society being relegated to being reproductive organs, "barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen", etc....
IOW, the cat calling is not to be discussed in a vacuum. As women, we might all be culturally conditioned to experience cat calling by stranger males as another demonstration of the objectification of our gender.
Personally, I have tended to not be offended by cat calling. I say " have tended" because at my age now, it is not as if when I am in public I become a subject of attention for stranger males! But in my younger years, I often "stuck out" when I lived in cultures where strawberry blond hair and a peachy skin complexion very often caught the attention of stranger males. Such as when we lived in Naples, Italy. "ma, come bella" coming from a passing by Napolitano male was quite common. Where I drew the line though was when physical contact would occur.
IOW, the cat calling is not to be discussed in a vacuum. As women, we might all be culturally conditioned to experience cat calling by stranger males as another demonstration of the objectification of our gender.
Personally, I have tended to not be offended by cat calling. I say " have tended" because at my age now, it is not as if when I am in public I become a subject of attention for stranger males! But in my younger years, I often "stuck out" when I lived in cultures where strawberry blond hair and a peachy skin complexion very often caught the attention of stranger males. Such as when we lived in Naples, Italy. "ma, come bella" coming from a passing by Napolitano male was quite common. Where I drew the line though was when physical contact would occur.
It is. Dont fool yourself that "looking" at a nice pair of boobs etc is not staring..
Rather telling really that you dont get that.
And very telling that I somehow must be muslim just because I recognize bad behaviour...
Dont you (and stevie) realize that your comments so far are good examples of what is wrong?
No, of course you dont, you are to full of yourself to have any perspective on this...
What is wrong with you?
You seem to be saying that letting someone know that you think they're attractive is an example of a character flaw. Given that there are zero people here advocating panting after women or drooling or whatever else you've made up, I take your posts to mean that you feel that expressing interest in someone through their body language is a negative.
Do you feel that if a woman plays with her hair around a guy she likes and laughs at his bad jokes, there's something sick and despicable about her? I'm just curious what your threshold for someone being sad and pathetic might be and what post it was that you felt someone here was advocated something more than that.
Nothing. Kind of 100% of the point.
What the hell are you talking about?
I seem to be having a different conversation than other people in this thread.
thebeave
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There's an interesting saying I heard recently, from an older female, that goes, "The only thing worse than a woman being sexually objectified is when she stops being sexually objectified."
Uh... nah.
Tom said:
This thread is about one person walking down a street and a stranger calling out at her.
Are you talking about that or about something different? If it's different, maybe a new thread would make your point more clear.
Do you have any comments on the occurrence of a person walking down the street in normal clothes being called out over and over and over and (over)20 again? Strangers calling out various things to a woman walking by not making eye contact with them. Do you have any opinion on that?
Sabine Grant
Member
I am not sure how this topic went from catcalling to stranger men looking at women. Catcalling implies a verbal communication of some sort. Or a sound such as whistling.
But going back to Juma's comments, is there any belief here that women do not look at men in a manner which conveys "oh...I like what I am seeing". I do not keep my eyes in my pocket as a woman. If I notice a male who fits my perception of what attractive means, I will look and definitely with the " Oh I like what I am seeing" going through my mind. Is it offensive to men as I suspect I am not an oddity or rarity and will assume that I am not the only woman who will allow herself to let her looking linger on an attractive male?
Regarding catcalling, if not as direct as males tend to do, one should remember groups of adolescent or teen girls giggling and chattering in each other ears as an attractive male student would walk by. I am certain that those of us who attended middle and high school are familiar with how females have their own way to "catcall". As usual, we are not as straight forward as males are but the effect is the same.