Dine and Dash dater now faces 6 years

[ruby sparks]

Well, this has nothing to do with women's equality or the damn feminazis not spreading their legs like good little whores after a hapless and innocent man paid for an entire burger for her.

The hell it doesn't! When women make men pay, its considered normal dating behavior.
Beware of ‘foodie call’ dates who are just in it for a free meal

Unfortunately, nobody is arresting bitches like Olivia Balsinger.

I really don't agree with the victims of this guy having lived 'spoiled princess lives' (you have no way of knowing).

That said, if what's in that article is true, it's also a pretty shitty, man-using thing to do, imo.

He's worse, obviously. He explicitly told them he was going to pay, took them to more expensive restaurants than initially intended and encouraged them to order whatever they wanted, ate and drank expensively himself, all on the basis he was paying.

But we live in a slightly odd world where women can brag openly in a New York Post article about essentially ripping off men for restaurant meals.

 

[ruby sparks]

Woman Dates for Free Dinner on Match.com
https://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/woman-dates-free-dinner-match-15112192

4 or 5 dinner dates a week!

'Woman and her friends' by the sound of it, since she says she shared her spreadsheets with her friends!

Eek.

 

[fast]

It says 16 years, not 6.

 

[ruby sparks]

Well spotted.

Sheesh. I admit I was already thinking 6 years was a tad extreme. Compared to some other stuff I mean. Maybe that report is a bit unreliable.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Poor Derec.

“What kind of monster does this? I was so embarrassed. I’m not an insecure woman, but it made me feel very insecure,” she said. “I’m just glad he got caught. I don’t want any other women to have to go through that.”

Monster? Jesus! The guy is a complete prick, but a "monster"?

16 years seems umm... a statutory maximum. I think one year would be insane. A couple hundred hours working at a local school Cafeteria would be justice in my mind.

 

[RavenSky]

What's so bad leaving the restaurant to make these women pay for their food for probably the first time in their spoiled princess lives?

And you wonder why no woman wants to date you

 

[RavenSky]

That said, if what's in that article is true, it's also a pretty shitty, man-using thing to do, imo.

It's not.

That's just what Derec assumes all women everywhere do

 

[Opoponax]

Woman Dates for Free Dinner on Match.com
https://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/woman-dates-free-dinner-match-15112192

4 or 5 dinner dates a week!

'Woman and her friends' by the sound of it, since she says she shared her spreadsheets with her friends!

Eek.

Sure, that's rotten, but it's also 100% avoidable by the already oft-mentioned coffee date.

I suppose she could meet you for coffee and then pretend to like you enough for a free dinner. But that to me sounds like being afraid to leave the house for fear of getting hit by lightning. It's extremely rare and not worth worrying about.

Also though, when I plan dates beyond coffee, I do something I like to do, so at the very worst I end up having fun anyway.

 

[Derec]

Woman Dates for Free Dinner on Match.com
https://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/woman-dates-free-dinner-match-15112192

4 or 5 dinner dates a week!

'Woman and her friends' by the sound of it, since she says she shared her spreadsheets with her friends!

Eek.

Note that this is a different money-grubbing bitch from the NY Post story. Both are NYC based though. Then there is one in Toronto.
Erin Wotherspoon Serial Dating For Free Restaurant Meals

Her motto is simple: Do whatever it takes to go on dates with men and eat at some of Toronto's fanciest spots. For free.
[..]
More of her blog entries describe pretending to be Jewish to land a date on J Date (a Jewish dating site) and a time someone asked her to split the bill. After spending her own money, Wotherspoon even added she would probably stick to dating guys who are "fresh off the boat and literally have no friend based established in the country yet."

And these are only the ones willing to be profiled by papers, websites and on TV.

But RavenSky still insists that this kind of thing does not happen.

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That said, if what's in that article is true, it's also a pretty shitty, man-using thing to do, imo.

It's not.

Why do you think it's not true? She (and others) freely admit to it, and are even proud of their deceptive ways.

That's just what Derec assumes all women everywhere do

Not all, but certainly some. The ones being profiled by NY Post, ABC or HuffPo are just the trip of the iceberg.

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And you wonder why no woman wants to date you

Saves me a lot of money I can spend on hookers, so I have that going for me, which is nice.

 

[Derec]

Only if it is well understood at the time of the date that sex is quid pro quo for dinner. Otherwise, it is not fraud. As zorq pointed out early, no one owes you a vagina.

Did I say anything about sex? No.
If a woman goes on a date with a man for the express purpose of scoring a free meal and not because she actually wants to go out with the guy, than that's fraud. She is getting him to pay for her food under false pretenses.

Abstracting from your biased assumptions about the women being spoiled princes or never having to have paid for their food, it is, at a minimum, bad form to sneak off.

Perhaps, but I do not feel too bad about these women getting stuck with the check either.

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For coffee dates isn’t it implied you buy your own? That was my experience.

I wouldn't know. I haven't been on a date in many a year. Certainly not this decade.

 

[Derec]

Here is a hint, nobody asked to be exploited. Not even "equally."

Paying for one's own meal is not being "exploited".

Here is another hint. Nobody owes you their vagina.

And nobody owes you a free meal just because you have a vagina.

 

[Derec]

I'm gonna guess that 99%+ of women who go out on a date with a guy have some kind of hope that he's a worthwhile mate.

I doubt that very much.

Sure, a woman might say, "At least I got a free dinner out of it" as a way to express their disappointment, but so few go out with the express purpose of getting freebies that they're really not worth considering.

Did you even read the article I posted? In the meantime, stories profiling two other female dating fraudsters were posted - another one from NYC and one from Toronto.

And even if you spend that kind of money, she's not obligated to fuck you afterwards.

Another one for the "why hookers are better than dating" list.

Edited to add: so fucking what if you have to shell out $5 at Starbucks? It's 30-45 minutes of your time and the risk/reward is certainly worth it. Maybe you meet someone you end up dating for awhile and have a good time with. But even if you don't, what have you really lost? You haven't been used, you haven't wasted anything more than a 5-spot and a few minutes of time. It doesn't get less risky than that. And if she's pissed you were only willing to meet for coffee, then you're probably better off anyway.

I may have lost little, but she got a free coffee out of the deal. But I guess gender inequality is all right with feminists as long as it benefits women.

 

[Derec]

Well, nobody is ever "making" men pay. Men are choosing to pay in exchange for the potential for sex in return. They are aware, however, that the sex isn't a guaranteed result, so it's no more fraud than the lottery company is committing fraud by selling someone a losing ticket.

But if a lottery company was selling tickets where there was no winning ticket, then that would be fraud, and illegal.
That's the situation with women like her and others. There is no potential for sex or relationship in return. They are only in it for free meals.

That's completely unrelated to the story in the OP. This is a guy who made a promise to pay and deliberately left and forced another person to pay. That's a clear case of deliberate fraud.

No more fraud than the women who feint interest when they are only interested in a free meal.

 

[Derec]

The guy committed fraud. He told the women he wanted to treat them to a nice meal. Then he left them with the bill. One woman had to use her rent money to pay for the meal.

... playing just for her. imagine, having to pick up the check for once in her life...

This man is in the wrong.

I guess he is. But I can't feel too sorry for the women who were hoist by their own petards.

But some of you want to make this look as if this jerk is the one being exploited. What's wrong with some of you! Why in the world would you defend this asshole? And then you wonder why women don't like you.

It's high time to end this sexist expectation that men must pay for dates.

 

[steve_bank]

Guys, get a good grip on your balls lest they be cut off and hung on the wall as a stuffed trophy...

I don't know about the sentence. If he was a con man sniffing women as a matter of course then maybe ok.OTOH ya woman want equality but do not seem to really want what that means. If it is what they want then they have to stand up fending for themselves.Look at those years of silence by Hollywood actors and actresses you choose a high paying career over making waves.

Selma Hayek said in a tearful interview in relation for rejecting sexual advances from a producer or director she was forced to do a lesbian scene. Why didn't she just say kiss my ass and walk off the set?

Women want equality but still want and or need to be protected.

 

[Trausti]

... playing just for her. imagine, having to pick up the check for once in her life...


I guess he is. But I can't feel too sorry for the women who were hoist by their own petards.

But some of you want to make this look as if this jerk is the one being exploited. What's wrong with some of you! Why in the world would you defend this asshole? And then you wonder why women don't like you.

It's high time to end this sexist expectation that men must pay for dates.

Imma take a guess that these women are, perhaps, homely looking. Chubby. A bit (a lot) desperate. This guy takes advantage of them by giving them attention; attention no other man is giving them. The women fall for it. It's not really about who should pay on the first date.

 

[ruby sparks]

That said, if what's in that article is true, it's also a pretty shitty, man-using thing to do, imo.

It's not.

That's just what Derec assumes all women everywhere do

I meant that what some of those women were doing was also a shitty man-using thing to do, imo. Possibly not in the same league as the fraudster in the OP, granted. And probably only a very small minority of women do it. Though I do note that the article cites a survey of online daters where 40% of women admit to it. I'm not sure how reliable the survey was. For one thing, the link to it didn't work.

 

[ruby sparks]

Woman Dates for Free Dinner on Match.com
https://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/woman-dates-free-dinner-match-15112192

4 or 5 dinner dates a week!

'Woman and her friends' by the sound of it, since she says she shared her spreadsheets with her friends!

Eek.

Sure, that's rotten, but it's also 100% avoidable by the already oft-mentioned coffee date.

I suppose she could meet you for coffee and then pretend to like you enough for a free dinner. But that to me sounds like being afraid to leave the house for fear of getting hit by lightning. It's extremely rare and not worth worrying about.

Also though, when I plan dates beyond coffee, I do something I like to do, so at the very worst I end up having fun anyway.

Sure. But the fraudster in the OP could have been avoided by the women only going on a coffee date with him. As for rarity, I'd guess foodie call dates by women are less rare than foodie call dates by men. So....what have either taking precautions and rarity got to do with it? There are differences between the two things, but those wouldn't be among them.

In fact, it's arguable that some men might deserve more sympathy than the victims of the OP guy. The woman in the ABC interview shared her spreadsheets with her female friends, so there might easily be guys who take the hit multiple times.

What I'm saying is, we can't condemn one and not the other. We can condemn one more than the other, sure.

Also, it's slightly....odd...that foodie call women can go on tv and have a laugh and a smile about it with along the (in that case female) interviewer. Even if this guy was only doing the equivalent, I can't easily imagine him being perceived in the same relatively lighthearted way. Surely it would be negatively perceived as the men using the women? At least in some cases.

Imo, Derec has a point, about double standards. Sure, he way overstates it the way he tends to.

 

[zorq]

Here is a hint, nobody asked to be exploited. Not even "equally."

Paying for one's own meal is not being "exploited".

Lies and fraud lead to the financial exploitation of these women. You understand that right?

Here is another hint. Nobody owes you their vagina.

And nobody owes you a free meal just because you have a vagina.

That's true. I'm glad you understand this. Good job, little buddy!

 

[ruby sparks]

And nobody owes you a free meal just because you have a vagina.

That's true. I'm glad you understand this. Good job, little buddy!

Yeah but he's objecting to the fact that some women do think it.

If derec overstates this, or applies it unfairly to all women, we can note that but still acknowledge a partial valid point.

Lies and fraud lead to the financial exploitation of these women. You understand that right?

"Balsinger admits she had zero attraction to her date. She chose him merely because he seemed successful and “lonely,” two factors suggesting he’d be happy to pay for her company.
“I can only imagine what the cost was — probably, like, a month of pay from my job,” she says of the five-course meal she savored that night.
When the bill came, she coyly fumbled for her clutch in a feigned attempt to pay for her half of the meal. As expected, her date swept in and took care of the tab".

https://nypost.com/2017/08/30/beware-of-foodie-call-dates-who-are-just-in-it-for-a-free-meal/

You wouldn't call that exploitation? Ok in that case the guy sounds like he could afford it, financially at least. That's maybe not always the case. But she's taking emotional advantage of him, yeah?

Yes the guy might be happy to pay for the date, but we don't know that he would have been so happy if he knew her real thoughts and intentions, because she was essentially being dishonest.