Dine and Dash dater now faces 6 years

[RVonse]

https://www.yahoo.com/news/apos-dine-dash-apos-dater-095558964.html

I'm not quite sure how I feel about this one.

On the one hand, the guy is certainly a big douchebag fraudster taking advantage of innocent women. But OTOH, today's modern women have been asking for equal everything. And should that not include paying for their meal?

Without question these particular women definitely got screwed here. But when you stop to think about many other women of past who have frequently consumed cheerfully at the guy's expense. And then to go out to fuck a different guy the next day. To me at least, that is also a fraud of intentions on the woman's part which never gets any discussion. And strictly in those terms, I don't think I would feel so bad about what happened here.

In any case, I think a 6 year sentence for this is way excessive IMO.

 

[Tom Sawyer]

Well, this has nothing to do with women's equality or the damn feminazis not spreading their legs like good little whores after a hapless and innocent man paid for an entire burger for her.

This is a deliberate case of multiple acts of fraud. He said that he would pay for their meals and then left them with a bill which they would not have otherwise had absent that promise from him.

 

[laughing dog]

https://www.yahoo.com/news/apos-dine-dash-apos-dater-095558964.html

I'm not quite sure how I feel about this one.

On the one hand, the guy is certainly a big douchebag fraudster taking advantage of innocent women. But OTOH, today's modern women have been asking for equal everything. And should that not include paying for their meal?

Without question these particular women definitely got screwed here. But when you stop to think about many other women of past who have frequently consumed cheerfully at the guy's expense. And then to go out to screw a different guy the next day. To me at least, that is also a fraud of intentions on the woman's part which never gets any discussion. And strictly in those terms, I don't think I would feel so bad about what happened here.

Yeah, because there is no difference whatsoever in not agreeing to jump in the sack because you got a dinner and literally running away from the restaurant to avoid paying the bill. WTF are these people thinking?

In any case, I think a 6 year sentence for this is way excessive IMO.

Suppose this thief was not on a date and just ran off without paying the bill? Would you still think the sentence was excessive?

 

[Derec]

Well, this has nothing to do with women's equality or the damn feminazis not spreading their legs like good little whores after a hapless and innocent man paid for an entire burger for her.

The hell it doesn't! When women make men pay, its considered normal dating behavior.
Beware of ‘foodie call’ dates who are just in it for a free meal

Unfortunately, nobody is arresting bitches like Olivia Balsinger.

 

[Opoponax]

He won't get 6 years.

And yes, the guy is a prick.

As to it being some kind of revenge on women, well, you spend your money, you take your chances, and teaching a lesson to women via this method doesn't fall much short of crazy. I would guess that a majority of men have spent dinner/movie/show-date money on women only to feel completely used afterward. But there's a way to avoid that. Just meet for coffee. I haven't dated in awhile for Reasons, but I've never had a woman turn me down for a coffee date while instead insisting on dinner. It's a perfectly reasonable method of meeting someone for the first time, and most people accept it as such.

This guy is no hero or symptom of an imbalanced dating world. He's just an asshole, and maybe something of a sociopath.

 

[Derec]

Yeah, because there is no difference whatsoever in not agreeing to jump in the sack because you got a dinner and literally running away from the restaurant to avoid paying the bill. WTF are these people thinking?

If a woman goes on a date where she knows she is not attracted to the guy just to enjoy a free meal, that's fraud as well.

What's so bad leaving the restaurant to make these women pay for their food for probably the first time in their spoiled princess lives?

 

[Derec]

Just meet for coffee.

Since coffee is not free (Starbucks is like $5), that's not really a solution to the "women expect for men to pay even if they have no intentions of actually dating him" problem.

 

[zorq]

But OTOH, today's modern women have been asking for equal everything. And should that not include paying for their meal?

Here is a hint, nobody asked to be exploited. Not even "equally."

Without question these particular women definitely got screwed here. But when you stop to think about many other women of past who have frequently consumed cheerfully at the guy's expense. And then to go out to fuck a different guy the next day. To me at least, that is also a fraud of intentions on the woman's part which never gets any discussion. And strictly in those terms, I don't think I would feel so bad about what happened here.

Here is another hint. Nobody owes you their vagina.

Really. It is true.

It doesn't matter how 'nice' you think you are behaving. That doesn't entitle you to anything from another person.

I don't even know why I am bothering to explain this to you. If you have reached this point in your life without understanding something this fundamental... there is probably no hope.

This post is so clueless, I think I finally understand how you were duped into voting for Trump. Especially after considering your other thread where you think Trump qualifies for a Nobel in Economics...

 

[Opoponax]

Yeah, because there is no difference whatsoever in not agreeing to jump in the sack because you got a dinner and literally running away from the restaurant to avoid paying the bill. WTF are these people thinking?

If a woman goes on a date where she knows she is not attracted to the guy just to enjoy a free meal, that's fraud as well.

What's so bad leaving the restaurant to make these women pay for their food for probably the first time in their spoiled princess lives?

Oh jesus.

I'm gonna guess that 99%+ of women who go out on a date with a guy have some kind of hope that he's a worthwhile mate. Sure, a woman might say, "At least I got a free dinner out of it" as a way to express their disappointment, but so few go out with the express purpose of getting freebies that they're really not worth considering.

As I mentioned above, a guy shouldn't take a woman out on an expensive first date, and certainly not one they can't afford. So get coffee. If you've never gone out with a woman and you spend hundreds of dollars on the date, you're an idiot, not a gentleman. And even if you spend that kind of money, she's not obligated to fuck you afterwards.

Edited to add: so fucking what if you have to shell out $5 at Starbucks? It's 30-45 minutes of your time and the risk/reward is certainly worth it. Maybe you meet someone you end up dating for awhile and have a good time with. But even if you don't, what have you really lost? You haven't been used, you haven't wasted anything more than a 5-spot and a few minutes of time. It doesn't get less risky than that. And if she's pissed you were only willing to meet for coffee, then you're probably better off anyway.

 

[Tom Sawyer]

Well, this has nothing to do with women's equality or the damn feminazis not spreading their legs like good little whores after a hapless and innocent man paid for an entire burger for her.

The hell it doesn't! When women make men pay, its considered normal dating behavior.
Beware of ‘foodie call’ dates who are just in it for a free meal

Unfortunately, nobody is arresting bitches like Olivia Balsinger.

Well, nobody is ever "making" men pay. Men are choosing to pay in exchange for the potential for sex in return. They are aware, however, that the sex isn't a guaranteed result, so it's no more fraud than the lottery company is committing fraud by selling someone a losing ticket.

That's completely unrelated to the story in the OP. This is a guy who made a promise to pay and deliberately left and forced another person to pay. That's a clear case of deliberate fraud.

 

[laughing dog]

If a woman goes on a date where she knows she is not attracted to the guy just to enjoy a free meal, that's fraud as well.

Only if it is well understood at the time of the date that sex is quid pro quo for dinner. Otherwise, it is not fraud. As zorq pointed out early, no one owes you a vagina.

What's so bad leaving the restaurant to make these women pay for their food for probably the first time in their spoiled princess lives?

Abstracting from your biased assumptions about the women being spoiled princes or never having to have paid for their food, it is, at a minimum, bad form to sneak off.

 

[Worldtraveller]

https://www.yahoo.com/news/apos-dine-dash-apos-dater-095558964.html

I'm not quite sure how I feel about this one.

On the one hand, the guy is certainly a big douchebag fraudster taking advantage of innocent women. But OTOH, today's modern women have been asking for equal everything. And should that not include paying for their meal?

Without question these particular women definitely got screwed here. But when you stop to think about many other women of past who have frequently consumed cheerfully at the guy's expense. And then to go out to screw a different guy the next day. To me at least, that is also a fraud of intentions on the woman's part which never gets any discussion. And strictly in those terms, I don't think I would feel so bad about what happened here.

Yeah, because there is no difference whatsoever in not agreeing to jump in the sack because you got a dinner and literally running away from the restaurant to avoid paying the bill. WTF are these people thinking?

In any case, I think a 6 year sentence for this is way excessive IMO.

Suppose this thief was not on a date and just ran off without paying the bill? Would you still think the sentence was excessive?

Yes. Especially when white collar crime that does thousands of times this kind of economic damage invariably get off with a suspended sentence, or 6 months. Our injustice system is fucked. But that's not really what this thread is about.

 

[J842P]

I'm gonna guess that 99%+ of women who go out on a date with a guy have some kind of hope that he's a worthwhile mate. Sure, a woman might say, "At least I got a free dinner out of it" as a way to express their disappointment, but so few go out with the express purpose of getting freebies that they're really not worth considering.

Mmmm that depends. I think in the younger age-group, at the moment, it's more common than that.

 

[ronburgundy]

Protip: Any woman that is going to screw you, is going to screw you even if you don't pay for dinner.
The days where women felt obligated to put out just because a guy buys drinks or dinner are over.

Buying dinner might increase your odds of getting a second date, where you can pay for dinner again, but will do little to your odds of getting laid.

So, do not buy a woman dinner if sex is your goal. Only do so if more dates is your goal, and you don't really care if she actually like you personally.

As for 6 years, that is the average sentence for rape and assault, thus it seems excessive even if there are multiple counts.

 

[Keith&Co.]

As for 6 years, that is the average sentence for rape and assault, thus it seems excessive even if there are multiple counts.

Maybe he got 4 months for dashing, and the rest for bringing up feminism in his defense?

 

[southernhybrid]

Did anybody bother to read the last line in the link. After the hearing, a judge is set to rule on whether the case should be taken to trial.


We don't even know if the case will go to trial and if it does and he's found guilty, he's likely to get a suspended sentence, community service or a fine etc. He's not going to get serious jail time unless he has committed other crimes in the past. The guy committed fraud. He told the women he wanted to treat them to a nice meal. Then he left them with the bill. One woman had to use her rent money to pay for the meal. This man is in the wrong. But some of you want to make this look as if this jerk is the one being exploited. What's wrong with some of you! Why in the world would you defend this asshole? And then you wonder why women don't like you.

 

[TV and credit cards]

Isn’t the option of “separate checks” always presented by the server or is that just the restaurants I go to?
Look numbnuts, you have the entire meal to size the date up and make a determination as to whether or not you want to pay for her meal. Unless you were foolish enough to imply beforehand that you would.
If she brings up her boyfriend as a topic of conversation during the meal, it should be clear as an azure sky of deepest summer to take the “separate check” option.

 

[Trausti]

Back when I was in the dating world, I always had the first date at a coffee shop. No ackward long meals with someone you don’t like; dessert? Who pays? Just some unsolicted advice.

 

[Trausti]

Just meet for coffee.

Since coffee is not free (Starbucks is like $5), that's not really a solution to the "women expect for men to pay even if they have no intentions of actually dating him" problem.

For coffee dates isn’t it implied you buy your own? That was my experience.

 

[Elixir]

Just meet for coffee.

Since coffee is not free (Starbucks is like $5), that's not really a solution to the "women expect for men to pay even if they have no intentions of actually dating him" problem.

For coffee dates isn’t it implied you buy your own? That was my experience.

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