Disaster greater than San Andreas to hit LA by 2020

[Loren Pechtel]

What percent of people's food and drink budget in Australia is spent on eating out?

In the US, more is spent on eating and drinking out than eating and drinking at home.

Doesn't change the point that restaurants in Australia, and other parts of the world, are able to pay a reasonable wage to their employees, yet are still able to profit from their business. It can be done. It is being done.

And you continue to ignore the effect of training wages. Both have similar effects except a when it's keyed to those just starting out it means later failures have no path back into the labor force.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Five star French restaurants pay their employees quite well and are able to make a tidy profit. They could probably survive a $30/hr minimum wage without a hitch. The question is, how well overall are restaurant businesses doing? How often are the low to mid income people eating out?

Probably a little more when they get higher MW...

In practice the minimum wage transfers money from the poor to the middle class. The higher you make it the greater this transfer. Minimum wage is, as it always has been, a means of raising wages by forcing the inferior workers out of the labor market entirely.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Jimmy Higgins: I love fresh air.
dismal: Then why do you live in a house and not outside?

I don't understand why you think this analogy applies.

Which explains your posting history.

 

[ksen]

Since 200mg of ibuprofen usually takes my headache pain away I bet 200,000mg of ibuprofen would take it away 100x quicker!

 

[dismal]

I don't understand why you think this analogy applies.

Which explains your posting history.

I do understand you are not making any arguments.

I conclude this means you have none.

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Since 200mg of ibuprofen usually takes my headache pain away I bet 200,000mg of ibuprofen would take it away 100x quicker!

Are you saying a $50 minimum wage would cause bad things to happen?

What sort of bad things?

 

[Nice Squirrel]

Minimum wage is, as it always has been, a means of raising wages by forcing the inferior workers out of the labor market entirely.

Yes, of course. this makes perfect sense, and by perfect sense, I mean "no sense"

 

[coloradoatheist]

Minimum wage is, as it always has been, a means of raising wages by forcing the inferior workers out of the labor market entirely.

Yes, of course. this makes perfect sense, and by perfect sense, I mean "no sense"

Several of the programs in the past regarding wages were put in for the purpose of keeping blacks from getting those positions.

 

[James Brown]

Why is it only restaurant workers that are considered? I've worked in a retail bookstore for fourteen years, and I don't make $15/hour. I also don't live in Los Angeles.

I also know of quite a few people who work in neither restaurants nor retail that don't make $15/hour. Factory workers, office workers, etc.

Also for Derec. If, as you're arguing, raising the minimum wage from $9/hr to $15/hr over the course of five years (a 67% increase) will cause harmful effects, will lowering minimum wage from $9/hr to $6/hr cause beneficial effects?

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Yes, of course. this makes perfect sense, and by perfect sense, I mean "no sense"

Several of the programs in the past regarding wages were put in for the purpose of keeping blacks from getting those positions.

While I have no reason to disbelieve you, such a claim usually should come with a link or a reference.

 

[dismal]

Why is it only restaurant workers that are considered? I've worked in a retail bookstore for fourteen years, and I don't make $15/hour. I also don't live in Los Angeles.

I also know of quite a few people who work in neither restaurants nor retail that don't make $15/hour. Factory workers, office workers, etc.

Also for Derec. If, as you're arguing, raising the minimum wage from $9/hr to $15/hr over the course of five years (a 67% increase) will cause harmful effects, will lowering minimum wage from $9/hr to $6/hr cause beneficial effects?

Retail bookstores make so much money they don't have to worry about going out of business, so people don't worry about them, obviously.

 

[coloradoatheist]

Several of the programs in the past regarding wages were put in for the purpose of keeping blacks from getting those positions.

While I have no reason to disbelieve you, such a claim usually should come with a link or a reference.

The Davis Bacon act was. The arguments for it were that Southhern businessmen were bringing in blacks to undercut white unions in the north for the projects they were building

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Davis%E2%80%93Bacon_Act

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

While I have no reason to disbelieve you, such a claim usually should come with a link or a reference.

The Davis Bacon act was. The arguments for it were that Southhern businessmen were bringing in blacks to undercut white unions in the north for the projects they were building

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Davis–Bacon_Act

Appreciate the cite.

Niceties aside, is that a right-wing spin on businesses were bringing in cheaper labor from well outside the work area in order to underbid local companies/workers?

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Minimum wage is, as it always has been, a means of raising wages by forcing the inferior workers out of the labor market entirely.

Yes, of course. this makes perfect sense, and by perfect sense, I mean "no sense"

http://www.ncpa.org/sub/dpd/index.php?Article_ID=13974

The 1931 Davis-Bacon Act, requiring "prevailing" wages on federally assisted construction projects, was supported by the idea that it would keep contractors from using "cheap colored labor" to underbid contractors using white labor.

In other words, it's a Jim Crow law. You support Jim Crow??

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Yes, of course. this makes perfect sense, and by perfect sense, I mean "no sense"

http://www.ncpa.org/sub/dpd/index.php?Article_ID=13974

The 1931 Davis-Bacon Act, requiring "prevailing" wages on federally assisted construction projects, was supported by the idea that it would keep contractors from using "cheap colored labor" to underbid contractors using white labor.

In other words, it's a Jim Crow law. You support Jim Crow??

Whoa deja vu.

Was this about not allowing local blacks to work or about not allowing companies to get working crews from a great distance, and a much cheaper wage, to do the work?

 

[ksen]

Cheap appalachian whites would have been fine, apparently.

 

[bilby]

Cheap appalachian whites would have been fine, apparently.

I didn't even know they had vineyards in the Appalachians. Are their cheap reds any good?

 

[fromderinside]

Enter Dismal:

The real disaster is that they didn't raise the minimum wage to $50 or $100 per hour since doing so would hurt nothing and no one. Plus Australia.

I don't understand why you think this analogy applies.

I do understand you are not making any arguments.

I conclude this means you have none.

If someone argues a $15 minimum wage is great because it gives restaurant employees more money to spend in restaurants how does it not follow that a $50 minimum wager wouldn't be greater?

Wouldn't they have even more money to spend in restaurants?

Are you saying a $50 minimum wage would cause bad things to happen?

What sort of bad things?

Retail bookstores make so much money they don't have to worry about going out of business, so people don't worry about them, obviously.

What is the relevance of your comments on LA raising MW to $15 by the end of 2020? All I see is some particular poster sniping. Do you agree?

 

[Loren Pechtel]

http://www.ncpa.org/sub/dpd/index.php?Article_ID=13974

The 1931 Davis-Bacon Act, requiring "prevailing" wages on federally assisted construction projects, was supported by the idea that it would keep contractors from using "cheap colored labor" to underbid contractors using white labor.

In other words, it's a Jim Crow law. You support Jim Crow??

Whoa deja vu.

Was this about not allowing local blacks to work or about not allowing companies to get working crews from a great distance, and a much cheaper wage, to do the work?

Note "colored".

This is by no means the only place you'll find this, it was just the first I came up with with Google.

 

[dismal]

Enter Dismal:

The real disaster is that they didn't raise the minimum wage to $50 or $100 per hour since doing so would hurt nothing and no one. Plus Australia.

I don't understand why you think this analogy applies.

I do understand you are not making any arguments.

I conclude this means you have none.

If someone argues a $15 minimum wage is great because it gives restaurant employees more money to spend in restaurants how does it not follow that a $50 minimum wager wouldn't be greater?

Wouldn't they have even more money to spend in restaurants?

Are you saying a $50 minimum wage would cause bad things to happen?

What sort of bad things?

Retail bookstores make so much money they don't have to worry about going out of business, so people don't worry about them, obviously.

What is the relevance of your comments on LA raising MW to $15 by the end of 2020? All I see is some particular poster sniping. Do you agree?

All I see is you adding your list to the people who can't or won't explain what problems a $50 minimum wage would cause or why the asserted benefits of a $15 minimum wage would not be greater at $50.

 

[RavenSky]

http://www.ncpa.org/sub/dpd/index.php?Article_ID=13974

The 1931 Davis-Bacon Act, requiring "prevailing" wages on federally assisted construction projects, was supported by the idea that it would keep contractors from using "cheap colored labor" to underbid contractors using white labor.

In other words, it's a Jim Crow law. You support Jim Crow??

Whoa deja vu.

Was this about not allowing local blacks to work or about not allowing companies to get working crews from a great distance, and a much cheaper wage, to do the work?

Makes me wonder which right-wing media outlet made the Davis-Bacon Act comparison today.