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https://www.cnbc.com/2017/11/06/21s...o-sell-most-of-company-to-disney-sources.html
Please let the X-Men be part of this deal!
Please let the X-Men be part of this deal!
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It'll never be approved because of the comic book monopoly it would create.
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- No one complains about DC owning all of their own comic book characters
- There hasn't been much enforcement of antitrust laws since Reagan.
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Either you're missing Jimmy's snark, or I'm missing yours, not sure which...
Getting back to the OP. The talks are regarding the entertainment portion of Fox, while the Murdochs would retain the news and sports networks. So, it would entail Disney getting the rights to the X-Men and Fantastic Four franchises, thus finally bringing nearly all of the Marvel character movie rights under one company (Spider Man being the glaring exception). Definitely a plus for comic book fans if they can keep the quality of the movies going at the current standard. It would open up a ton of awesome story possibilities that we might not ever see if the rights remain as fractured as they are now. Unfortunately it seems the talks are done for now, with no deal having been struck, but it does seem that there is hope that they will pick back up again.
On the one hand, I really like the quality of the work which Marvel is doing and getting all their characters together in the same world would be a plus. On the other hand, there might be issues with all of this being under the creative control of the same group. I don't think we'd have gotten a Logon or a Deadpool if Disney were at the helm.
Right now, Marvel is letting directors kind of do what they want and there's a lot of variety in the movies, but that doesn't mean that the next guy in charge won't want to exert more control and that end up impacting the quality of all the films.
Right now, Marvel is letting directors kind of do what they want and there's a lot of variety in the movies, but that doesn't mean that the next guy in charge won't want to exert more control and that end up impacting the quality of all the films.
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One problem with Disney getting the Fantastic Four is that if there is yet another origin story for the F4, I'm going to lose it and bash my skull with a sledgehammer.
2) It was a joke.
1) Too busy complaining about crappy DC movies.
2) It was a joke.
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I'm missing his.
Anyway, don't forget Universal, which owns Hulk. Marvel can include Hulk in other stuff, but can't make a full Hulk movie, and I'm guessing that Amadeus Cho is completely off the table. Too bad. I would pay to watch an entire movie of Amadeus and his sister trading insults.
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The Incredibles was the only decent Fantastic Four movie.
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I didn't know about Universal having the rights to Hulk, so I went looking, turns out that the rights to Hulk are actually split right now. Apparently, Universal had full rights to the Hulk when they made the Ang Lee film, but after that the production rights reverted back to Marvel Studios, while the distribution rights remained with Universal. That is why Marvel Studios produced the much better Incredible Hulk film starring Edward Norton, but Universal distributed the movie. It seems Marvel Studios never really had the money to distribute it's own films, so they produced them, and had distribution rights split between Paramount and Universal. When Disney bought Marvel studios, they were able to buy back the distribution rights for all of the properties Paramount held, but Universal was unwilling to sell. Disney isn't interested in producing a movie for their competitor to distribute, so the Hulk sits in limbo for now, only able to appear in movies that do not bear his name.
I have only read a few comic books with Amadeus Cho as the Hulk, but I do like the new take on the character being able to hulk out while retaining his intelligence. I picked up the new Marvel Legacy issue of Incredible Hulk, and I am enjoying the story with the Hulk returning to Skaar as Amadeus Cho. It is one of my favorite Legacy titles so far, so think I will stick with the book for a while. On the other hand, Banner is getting ready to make a come back in the Avengers books, so I'm not sure how much longer Amadeus will be around. Maybe they will keep him on Planet Hulk, and go back to Banner as the Earth-bound Hulk of the Avengers.
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Good news on the DC comics side, Rifftrax has said their riff of Superman v Batman comes out on December 1st, which will make that movie instantly watchable!
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That's not the new spin that Amadeus brings to the table. At various times in the past, Banner was able to gain control of Hulk's body. There is also a third personality in there who is not as intelligent as Banner, not as strong as the Hulk, but completely amoral (the infamous "grey Hulk") and in his own way far more dangerous than either. Hulk and Banner hate his guts more than they hate each other, so you hardly ever see him.
Amadeus took the Hulk curse upon himself because he wants to prove that the Hulk isn't as dangerous nor as awful as everyone says he is.
He is able to keep the rage-monster personality under control, but barely. For now he's having the time of his life vanquishing monsters and punching mountains, but it's only a matter of time before Hulk wrecks his life. So it's a happy fun-fun version of the Hulk with this horrible tragedy lurking in the background waiting to destroy everything, and that impending threat of tragedy "flavors" all of the fun and whimsy.
Much of the fun side, as previously mentioned, is Amadeus and his sister insulting each other.
Honestly, I don't understand why so many people had a problem with the "second generation" heroes. They're all really quite good. Time passes in the Marvel universe, but it passes oddly. Marvel's been able to get away with sweeping inconsistencies under the carpet, but their silver age heroes are starting to get too old to continue the hero thing. The second generation heroes became inevitable the moment Marvel decided to go with the "sliding scale" for dealing with the passage of time.
And what exactly is the problem here? Peter Parker is an adult now. He has post-graduate degrees. He's a divorced man who owns a successful tech company. He's an adult with adult responsibilities. The adorable teenage Peter Parker that fans love so much is long gone. Miles Morales scratches the itch many Spider-Man fans have. He started the superhero thing a year younger than Parker did, so everything that made teenage Parker adorable is even more adorable with Miles Morales. He's still driven by and wracked by guilt, he still has incredibly complex love-hate relationships with his villains, plus there are a few new and interesting twists on things. The character is well-written and interesting with interesting support characters. Is it really such a horrible thing that he's not white?
Female Thor is far more interesting than Odinson ever was. Now the incredibly powerful god(dess) of thunder is a mortal who is dying of cancer and is incredibly frail in her alter ego form? She is a long-standing side character from the Thor comic books, and we always knew her defining quality was bravery. Now she can really do something with that. She is desperate to indulge every urge and save every village and do every good before her inevitable, impending death, and can you blame her? Odinson was never this interesting. Is it really so bad that she's not a white male?
Kamala Khan is the best new comic book character in decades. She is the audience. She reads too many comic books and plays too many video games. She takes the fan-girl thing to such extremes as to annoy the other superheroes (e.g. writing fan fiction about the other Avengers), but still manages to make it adorable.
Logan/Wolverine made a tragic character because he didn't know his past. X-23/Laura is tragic because she knows every horrible detail of her past, and because you know it's only a matter of time before her superpower wipes her memory just like what happened with Logan. Will she be worse off when she loses her memory and can't even remember the people most important to her, or is she worse off now with the memory that she killed people that she loved?
I haven't read anything with Ironheart/Riri Williams in it, but I know that Brian Michael Bendis can write the hell out of intelligent characters. Even though he's run off to DC, I'm sure the backstory is good enough for another writer to keep her interesting.
In most cases, the second generation characters are as interesting or more interesting than their silver age counterparts. What exactly is the problem here? Is it really just butthurt misogynist white supremacists getting their panties in a wad because a comic book company famous for diversity is increasing diversity? I'm sorry, but if you're the kind of person who throws around the phrase "social justice warrior" and thinks diversity is a bad thing, why the [bad word] did you ever start reading Marvel comics in the first place?
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Read that since they can't do a Hulk movie, they are doing a Hulk story arc through several of the other movies, starting with the current Thor.
She has been pretty good so far. As a super genius kid, her parents were worried about her being more into her tech than actual people. She did finally make a good friend. Then her friend, and her father were both killed in a shooting. When Stark was put into a coma at the end of the Civil War, he had lot of his tech given over to Riri, including an AI made from Stark's personality to help operate her armor. After her first super-villain battle, a cop actually shot at her, to which she responded "really??"
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As noted, I haven't had much exposure to Amadeus Cho as the new Hulk. Actually, I haven't read a whole lot of Hulk comics at all. I read a good portion of the original Planet Hulk run, and have an odd issue or two of other runs (actually, I just checked my database, and I have a grand total of 8 Hulk titles in my collection). Most of my knowledge of the Hulk comes from the TV series I watched religiously as a kid.
I think there is a little of that right wing SJW butthurt, but you also get the old-timers who don't want "their" heroes to change in any significant way, and the new-comers who have gotten into comics because the Marvel movies are all the rage right now. Those new-comers are probably finding it hard to understand why the comics aren't exactly reflecting what they see on the silver screen.
I've been reading comics for a long time, and I agree with you. Those silver age heroes have to adapt to the changing times if you want them to stay relevant. The only other option is to create entirely new heroes, and let the old ones fade away. Marvel has chosen a bit of both. One of the things Bendis did for Marvel is create some entirely new heroes, while breathing new life into some existing characters. Hopefully he will bring the same thing to DC. Though DC has never really shied away from reinventing their characters, especially Batman, they could use a few new heroes that speak to the new generation of potential readers and reflect the changing times.
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Nah, it's just the usual Nazi wannabes getting butthurt because some portion of the popular media is no longer telling them that they are superior because they are white and have penises.
Ooops. Sorry. I didn't mean to say "Nazi." We're supposed to use the term "alt right free speech advocate" now, right? I hope you can forgive me for using the politically incorrect term. Please don't cry.
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Sorry for being so snarky, but I'm getting sick of constantly having to stroke the egos of racists and misogynists (whoops, I meant "free speech advocates").
They are butthurt that all the heroes are no longer white males, and so they don't feel like special snowflakes anymore, so we're supposed to hate the newer, more interesting heroes.
They are butthurt that all the heroes are no longer white males, and so they don't feel like special snowflakes anymore, so we're supposed to hate the newer, more interesting heroes.
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Sounds good. The Riri Williams stuff will have to be next on my comic book reading list, but right now I'm still working through the current Coates run of Black Panther (Nation Under Our Feet).
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He created Miles Morales and Jessica Jones.
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But he did it with average of about two words per page. Here is a representative example from his earlier work:
Really BMB? Are you really done? Stan Lee must be rolling over in his grave, because if he had written this page, Mary-Jane would have been tossed from a bridge by green goblin halfway down the page, and resurrected as a werewolf by the end.
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Oh my fuck, that is hilarious. How can you have a problem with that page?
You must hate Manga. Sometimes they will have wordless splash pages that do nothing but establish tone and introduce symbolism. Also, there are some iconic comic book pages in America that are completely without dialog.
You must hate Manga. Sometimes they will have wordless splash pages that do nothing but establish tone and introduce symbolism. Also, there are some iconic comic book pages in America that are completely without dialog.
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That's why Manga comes in 300-page books, not 20-page leaflets like American comic books. As for Bendis's writing, it's fun, but only if you get the TPB or downoad 5 years at a time.