Does the US right wing want a second civil war?

[lpetrich]

Thread by @DavidNeiwert: "1) There’s been a lot of handwringing in the media pundit corps and centrist politicians these days about the loss of comity, post-Kavanaugh […]"

After noting the pResident stating

You don't hand matches to an arsonist and you don't give power to an angry left-wing mob, and that's what they've become. Democrats have become too extreme and too dangerous to govern. Republicans believe in the rule of law, not the rule of the mob.

He continues with

This is a remarkable moment in American politics: The President of the United States just declared an entire political party fundamentally illegitimate. And the media are treating it as just another of Trump’s crazy things. ...

One side of the political aisle, and only one, appears intent on provoking a violent civil war in America. And it is the party currently in power.

Right-wingers deny that they are looking forward to a second civil war, and they claim that it is the Left that wants one. But they enjoy talking about it, and they seem to look forward for what they expect it to bring. Alex Jones is the most prominent advocate of this position, but Tucker Carlson of Fox News also does so, and also Rush Limbaugh and Michael Savage and various militias.

And now we have gangs of heavily armed right-wing thugs, largely outsiders from rural and exurban areas, invading liberal urban centers with the full intent of provoking violence so that they can portray the American left as innately violent.

I’ve covered about a dozen of these events. I hang out among the alt-righters and militiamen who populate that side and listen to them. They all are brimming with eagerness to beat the shit out of liberals, and they’re prepared to kill if they deem it necessary.

They admire Chilean dictator Augusto Pinochet, and they have T-shirts showing people being shoved out of helicopters.

Then DN gets into the sort of people who claim that "both sides do it", even though most of the nastiness is coming from the Right.

 

[lpetrich]

Thread by @DavidNeiwert: "1) OK, let's try to keep 'antifa' and their violence in perspective, can we? And I say this as someone who’s been assaulted by Black Bloc ac […]"

OK, let's try to keep 'antifa' and their violence in perspective, can we? And I say this as someone who’s been assaulted by Black Bloc activists on various occasions for the sin of being a journalist carrying a camera, mostly while covering alt-right ‘free speech’ events.

I can't say I am even remotely a fan of the antifascists' _tactics_. I also happen to believe that giving the fascists violence is what they want, and that any violence at all should be purely defensive. I believe mockery is infinitely more effective and more persuasive.

A lot of the left wing dislikes the Antifa / Black Bloc -- some left-wingers even have a conspiracy theory to the effect that they are being paid to ruin peaceful demonstrations with senseless violence.

I understand the underlying dynamics of both sides at these events too, and am not fooled into believing there is any kind of moral equivalency. One side wants to create a white male ethnostate and maybe gin up some genocide along the way. The other side wants to stop them.

The difference is manifest in the way the violence often plays out. The antifa kids are often all jacked up and run at their opponents, but they usually are terrible fighters and even worse strategists, and thus always are shortly overwhelmed by more organized rightists.

DN then quotes one of his Tweets from a fight between the right-wing Proud Boys and the Antifa:

For anyone wondering why observers felt Saturday's violence in Portland had a disturbingly vicious quality to it, this little scene will explain why. This was fairly typical of what we were seeing from Proud Boys: Whole gangs attacking single vulnerable counterprotesters.

So the Proud Boys and other right-wing gangs are better at street fighting than the Antifa.

This seems almost like Germany cs. 1930, with gangs of left-wing and right-wing young men fighting each other, gangs including Communists on the left and the Nazi brown-shirt SA on the right.

Then he criticizes more moderate people on the Left for not doing enough:

When mainstream liberals finally recognize that they've been missing from this fight, and need to be making their very large presence known at radical right events by registering their peaceful (and disciplined) disapproval, then they will have earned the right to complain.

Yes, antifascist tactics suck. But mainstream liberals better look hard in the mirror when they second-guess the only people who are showing up to fight the war that has been declared on their democracy.

 

[untermensche]

The last thing the Donald Trumps want is chaos and looting armies.

They are looting just nicely.

They want power.

And it is sickening they can use such ignorant rhetoric to get it.

 

[none]

i heard somewhere.... "the sourth will rise again.."

 

[Cheerful Charlie]

I happened a few days ago to catch a few minutes of Faux's Mark Levin. The Trump clans tax avoidance schemes and other illegal acts prompted NY Governor Cuomo to state that there may have to be an official investigation into the charges. Which pissed off the always pissed off Levin. "Of course he'd say that, he's a communist!" Trump you see is a "job creator" So job creators obviously get to break all and any laws they want. This is what Grandpa and Grandma Gormless listen to all day, Faux incendiary bullshit

And witness the insane meltdown the alt right glorps are having now about Taylor Swift's support for Democratic candidates in her state.
Serious brain damage on display.

 

[Politesse]

I don't think most people care enough for something like the Civil War to erupt; public engagement in politics is nothing like it was at that time, nor can the South use slave labor as free muscle were they to attempt another secession of that nature.

But another Bleeding Kansas? Larger in scale and effect? I could see that happening, certainly. In fact, I think I do see it happening.

 

[Cheerful Charlie]

If the Southern states of the Confederacy were to secede, it would be a serious problem for them. Many deep Southern states rely on the blue donor states to stay afloat. Mississippi gets like $2.50 back for every tax dollar they send to Washington. These states as they are are mired in poverty, crumbling infrastructure and all are at the bottom of the heap in educational achievement. The clowns running these states, mostly Republicans, couldn't run a taco wagon, much less a state.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

I don't think they want a civil war. Instead, they want to subvert the nation from within, take it over without a war.

 

[Koyaanisqatsi]

Putin wants it. And he’s manipulated Trump into fostering it by whispering, “Think of all the gold you can steal while everyone is killing each other.”

 

[Old Woman in Purple]

I don't think they want a civil war. Instead, they want to subvert the nation from within, take it over without a war.

Probably something like that... cuz if they tried to secede again, the rest of us would (at the least) seriously consider letting them.

 

[Sarpedon]

Just like last time, they think they have the advantage at this moment, but won't in the future.

This makes it entirely possible that they do want it.

 

[RVonse]

The real enemy is China and not ourselves. For 25 years, China has been at war with us on 2 out of 3 fronts (economically and intellectually but not with military). The globalists will do everything they can to create an illusion of anything else but what is real. Simply because they can make money on the fall of the west as well as its prosperity. There really is no blue vs red or liberal vs conservative. All there really is, is corporate monopoly (in form of globalism) vs populism (people).

Perhaps in time and with Trump's help, even the slowest among us will finally wake up and come to know this reality.

 

[Elixir]

The real enemy is China and not ourselves. For 25 years, China has been at war with us on 2 out of 3 fronts (economically and intellectually but not with military). The globalists will do everything they can to create an illusion of anything else but what is real. Simply because they can make money on the fall of the west as well as its prosperity. There really is no blue vs red or liberal vs conservative. All there really is, is corporate monopoly (in form of globalism) vs populism (people).

Perhaps in time and with Trump's help, even the slowest among us will finally wake up and come to know this reality.

Not as long as Trump is in Uncle Vlad's pocket. Uncle Vlad doesn't want any resolution between the US and China, and he has just the puppet to keep any such thing from happening. For now...

All there really is, is corporate monopoly

Uh, did you know that Trump's donor class IS corporate monopoly? Did you know what percentage of the $1,500,000,000,000.00 he "borrowed" from our children went to those people?
Without the corporate monopolies, Trump would be left with nothing but Rubles trickling through the NRA.

 

[Patooka]

Perhaps in time and with Trump's help, even the slowest among us will finally wake up and come to know this reality.

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*deep breath*

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Thank you, I needed that this morning. Trump as a uniter, very funny indeed.

 

[blastula]

Thread by @DavidNeiwert: "1) There’s been a lot of handwringing in the media pundit corps and centrist politicians these days about the loss of comity, post-Kavanaugh […]"

After noting the pResident stating

You don't hand matches to an arsonist and you don't give power to an angry left-wing mob, and that's what they've become. Democrats have become too extreme and too dangerous to govern. Republicans believe in the rule of law, not the rule of the mob.

So, Democrats are a dangerous, angry mob. At least when Clinton called Republicans deplorable, she said only half of them were.

Remember in 2009 when the tea party was an angry mob? Republicans should remember how the next election turned out.

And, oh yeah, Republicans maybe used to believe in the law, but now they call rule of law the deep state.

 

[Koyaanisqatsi]

So, Democrats are a dangerous, angry mob.

No, but they need us to be in order to take the next steps. So it’s all provocation.

No one remembers Shane.