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Donald the Orange and Family Sued in NY

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Though it's not a criminal suit, they are looking to recover 250 million dollars that orange fleeced. That's about what he grifted from supporters to investigate election fraud, which he pocketed.
 

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This is a civil suit, but some counts are being referred to the IRS and SDNY AG for potential criminal charges.

Also, pleading the 5th CAN be used as evidence of guilt in a civil trial (not a criminal trial).

I'm buying stock in popcorn for this. 😁
And guilt in a civil trial can then be used to bolster claims in criminal...
 

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Listening to Thom Hartman, Trump valued Mar-a-Lardo at 75 million to the taxing authorities but when applying for loans against the property he valued it at 750 million.
 

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Listening to Thom Hartman, Trump valued Mar-a-Lardo at 75 million to the taxing authorities but when applying for loans against the property he valued it at 750 million.
It's just another zero - "no big deal"
 

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Listening to Thom Hartman, Trump valued Mar-a-Lardo at 75 million to the taxing authorities but when applying for loans against the property he valued it at 750 million.
It's just another zero - "no big deal"
Fake news! Witch hunt! He probably declassified his tax returns and loan applications so everything is perfectly okay. :rolleyes:
 

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Looks like a lot of fraud for a long time. And it took until only recently for someone to finally look into this?

And how does one triple the square footage of an apartment and it goes unnoticed? Around these here parts, that's public information available at your county auditor's website.
 

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Looks like a lot of fraud for a long time. And it took until only recently for someone to finally look into this?

And how does one triple the square footage of an apartment and it goes unnoticed? Around these here parts, that's public information available at your county auditor's website.
The orange one is extraordinarily adept at bullying, and intimidation, including from his legal team. It takes an extraordinary person to stand up to that kind of abuse and risk the public shaming from the MAGA crowd that follows. Letitia James is one of those extraordinary individuals. I applaud her for tenacity, bravery and skill.
 

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Looks like a lot of fraud for a long time. And it took until only recently for someone to finally look into this?

And how does one triple the square footage of an apartment and it goes unnoticed? Around these here parts, that's public information available at your county auditor's website.
The orange one is extraordinarily adept at bullying, and intimidation, including from his legal team. It takes an extraordinary person to stand up to that kind of abuse and risk the public shaming from the MAGA crowd that follows. Letitia James is one of those extraordinary individuals. I applaud her for tenacity, bravery and skill.

Agreed, but I still don’t see how a faceless insurance or financial institution looks the other way, particularly in the pre-maga days. They crumbled before Trump?
 

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And in other lawsuit news:

In May, New York passed a law giving adult sexual assault victims a one-time opportunity to file civil lawsuits, even if the statutes of limitations have long expired.
So a woman who accused Trump of rape is using that new law to open a new case against him.

How is that going to stand up to a constitutional challenge?

We'll find out, hopefully on Trump's dime.
 

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Looks like a lot of fraud for a long time. And it took until only recently for someone to finally look into this?

And how does one triple the square footage of an apartment and it goes unnoticed? Around these here parts, that's public information available at your county auditor's website.
The orange one is extraordinarily adept at bullying, and intimidation, including from his legal team. It takes an extraordinary person to stand up to that kind of abuse and risk the public shaming from the MAGA crowd that follows. Letitia James is one of those extraordinary individuals. I applaud her for tenacity, bravery and skill.

Agreed, but I still don’t see how a faceless insurance or financial institution looks the other way, particularly in the pre-maga days. They crumbled before Trump?
I don't know the answer to that.
 

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Looks like a lot of fraud for a long time. And it took until only recently for someone to finally look into this?

And how does one triple the square footage of an apartment and it goes unnoticed? Around these here parts, that's public information available at your county auditor's website.
The orange one is extraordinarily adept at bullying, and intimidation, including from his legal team. It takes an extraordinary person to stand up to that kind of abuse and risk the public shaming from the MAGA crowd that follows. Letitia James is one of those extraordinary individuals. I applaud her for tenacity, bravery and skill.

Agreed, but I still don’t see how a faceless insurance or financial institution looks the other way, particularly in the pre-maga days. They crumbled before Trump?
I don't know the answer to that.
It's most likely got a lot to do with how corrupt the NY real estate market is. They were all involved in all kinds of shady shit, and fussing too much over one guy's shady shit would inevitably lead to their own shady shit getting more light than they wanted.
 

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It's most likely got a lot to do with how corrupt the NY real estate market is. They were all involved in all kinds of shady shit, and fussing too much over one guy's shady shit would inevitably lead to their own shady shit getting more light than they wanted.
That's what I was about to say. It's called fraud, money changing hands under the table.
 

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Right... cause when a bank is robbed they are on their own to identify and sue the robbers. what a complete maroon

I guess the idea is that if the banks don't complain about being robbed then the government has no interest in stopping the bank robber. Even if the banks are robbed through fraud and don't necessarily know how much they were robbed.
 

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The robbery occurred against the public, not against the institutions that loaned the money. I'd be willing to wager these institutions just went along with it because they made money on the fraud. If banks made money when they got robbed there would be a lot more robberies. If Orange Face claimed two different values for the same properties for purposes of paying less tax while obtaining favorable loan conditions then Orange Face committed fraud.
 

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The robbery occurred against the public, not against the institutions that loaned the money. I'd be willing to wager these institutions just went along with it because they made money on the fraud. If banks made money when they got robbed there would be a lot more robberies. If Orange Face claimed two different values for the same properties for purposes of paying less tax while obtaining favorable loan conditions then Orange Face committed fraud.
This is a good point.. there were two victims... the banks, and those who pay the taxes that criminals don't. If the criminals paid their taxes, there would be less tax burden on the rest of the population.
So my answer to those that say "so what" to this fraud, I say, "so pay my tax bill too (you fucking moroff)".
 

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Right... cause when a bank is robbed they are on their own to identify and sue the robbers. what a complete maroon

I guess the idea is that if the banks don't complain about being robbed then the government has no interest in stopping the bank robber. Even if the banks are robbed through fraud and don't necessarily know how much they were robbed.


Maybe after Letitia James has managed to stick it Trump, the banks et al defrauded get their chance to sue Trump. Then it will be much harder to play expensive legal delaying games, bullying, non-cooperation, etc.
 

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The robbery occurred against the public, not against the institutions that loaned the money. I'd be willing to wager these institutions just went along with it because they made money on the fraud. If banks made money when they got robbed there would be a lot more robberies. If Orange Face claimed two different values for the same properties for purposes of paying less tax while obtaining favorable loan conditions then Orange Face committed fraud.
then of course, there's the whole tax fraud element of the case, which Dersh doesn't seem to address--spin, baby, spin. Dersh never was a particularly good person--Claus Von Bulow, anyone; or Harvey Weinstein? Check out the decidely checkered list of his past clients
 
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