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Of all the Marvel characters, why doctor Strange? It's just another redemption story. What does this character add that is needed in the cinematic universe?

Oh, and I agree that Cumberbach is a very good choice. I look forward to watching him transform from a selfish jerk into a selfless guardian.
 
Underseer said:
Of all the Marvel characters, why doctor Strange? It's just another redemption story. What does this character add that is needed in the cinematic universe?
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Magic. Their attempts to sell all the Asgardian stuff and the like as "advanced science" or "dark energy" or whatever have fallen kind of flat. Now they can just say "It's frigging magic - deal with it" and not need to bother coming up with some kind of explanation.
 
Tom Sawyer said:
Underseer said:
Of all the Marvel characters, why doctor Strange? It's just another redemption story. What does this character add that is needed in the cinematic universe?
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Magic. Their attempts to sell all the Asgardian stuff and the like as "advanced science" or "dark energy" or whatever have fallen kind of flat. Now they can just say "It's frigging magic - deal with it" and not need to bother coming up with some kind of explanation.
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That makes sense. Goodness knows they will need that for Wanda.
 
Tom Sawyer said:
Underseer said:
Of all the Marvel characters, why doctor Strange? It's just another redemption story. What does this character add that is needed in the cinematic universe?
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Magic. Their attempts to sell all the Asgardian stuff and the like as "advanced science" or "dark energy" or whatever have fallen kind of flat. Now they can just say "It's frigging magic - deal with it" and not need to bother coming up with some kind of explanation.
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That's pretty much how I see it. He's the other major hero archtype. You have tech heroes (Iron Man, Hulk), Mutants (X-Men), Aliens (Most of Guardians of the Galaxy), and Magic (Dr. Strange).

There's been overlap or changes as I recall. For instance, in the comics, Juggernaut was the result of magic, not mutant abilities. That changed with the movies. Wolverine is combo mutant/tech. So is Spiderman really, although his powers were the result of an experiment gone awry.
 
Tom Sawyer said:
Underseer said:
Of all the Marvel characters, why doctor Strange? It's just another redemption story. What does this character add that is needed in the cinematic universe?
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Magic. Their attempts to sell all the Asgardian stuff and the like as "advanced science" or "dark energy" or whatever have fallen kind of flat. Now they can just say "It's frigging magic - deal with it" and not need to bother coming up with some kind of explanation.
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They have Scarlet Witch already, but don't seem interested in exploring her back story, could be due to her ties with both the Avengers and X-Men. Doctor Strange on the other hand is the Sorcerer Supreme, and is one of the most powerful heroes in the Marvel universe.

His story is a redemption story, as noted, but it is also a story of an unbeliever who comes to believe and fully embrace magic, so not quite like any of the other magic based Marvel characters. Also, some of the major Avengers heroes are winding up their contracts, and need to be replaced by new blood. Doctor Strange has been a major player in the Avengers, so his character is ripe for plugging into the franchise. I doubt, however, that they have Cumberbatch under any kind of long term contract yet, and are probably waiting to see how the movie is received before solidifying anything. And that assumes that he would even want to get pegged in the role for more than one movie.
 
I hope he has a lot of room to show personality.

I like Sherlock ok, but he is so wound tight there is not much room left. Watson has a better part in some ways.
 
braces_for_impact said:
That's pretty much how I see it. He's the other major hero archtype. You have tech heroes (Iron Man, Hulk), Mutants (X-Men), Aliens (Most of Guardians of the Galaxy), and Magic (Dr. Strange).
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In the role playing game the groupings were Altered Human (Fantastic Four, Hulk, Spiderman, Juggernaut), Mutant (the Mutants), Alien (anyone who wasn't at least originally human), Robot (Vision, Ultron) and High Tech Wonders (anyone whose powers came from a device or system) (Iron Man, Hawkeye). We tended to put Dr. Strange in the High Tech Wonder group, as he was still fully human, and a lot of the 'technology' in the Marvel Universe was so fantastic it might as well be magic. The difference between a magic wand and a plasmoid-force-projection-ray being mostly the number of batteries it takes and the ritual to charge them...
 
The City of Heroes origin options were Science (Hulk, Spider-Man), Technology (Iron Man), Magic (Thor, Dr Strange), Mutants, and Natural (Black Widow, Punisher)
 
Keith&Co. said:
braces_for_impact said:
That's pretty much how I see it. He's the other major hero archtype. You have tech heroes (Iron Man, Hulk), Mutants (X-Men), Aliens (Most of Guardians of the Galaxy), and Magic (Dr. Strange).
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In the role playing game the groupings were Altered Human (Fantastic Four, Hulk, Spiderman, Juggernaut), Mutant (the Mutants), Alien (anyone who wasn't at least originally human), Robot (Vision, Ultron) and High Tech Wonders (anyone whose powers came from a device or system) (Iron Man, Hawkeye). We tended to put Dr. Strange in the High Tech Wonder group, as he was still fully human, and a lot of the 'technology' in the Marvel Universe was so fantastic it might as well be magic. The difference between a magic wand and a plasmoid-force-projection-ray being mostly the number of batteries it takes and the ritual to charge them...
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The Marvel Universe is more varied than that, I am sure they had to shoehorn some heroes and villains in places they didn't really fit to make the game manageable. There are actually a good number of characters that do get their powers from magic, which is most definitely not high tech. Of course Doctor Strange is the most popular and notable of them, but there is also Doctor Voodoo, Doctor Druid (anyone noticing a trend here?), Nico Minoru, and the retconned Scarlet Witch among others, including a host of villains.

Other categories that aren't represented in either of the above groupings are the Inhumans, who are probably most closely related to the Altered Human grouping, but not the same, and Cosmic Powers. Altered Humans are individually altered, whereas Inhumans had their DNA altered millions of years ago by the Kree, and only express their powers after being exposed to Terrigen. As Marvel continues to try to shift from Mutants to Inhumans in order to regain movie rights to many of their traditionally mutant characters (and the FF), you will hear more and more about the Inhumans. One example is the Human Torch, who has been retconned as Inhuman in the comics. Of course the original Human Torch was actually a robot, before he got retconned into the FF back in the '60s, so this is Marvel claiming him back. They have also written in a new aspect to Terrigen, as well as causing Inhumans to express their powers, it kills Mutants who are exposed to it. They are very literally killing off Mutants in favor of Inhumans at this point, and it is an obvious play to snatch their heroes back from Fox.

The most notable Cosmic Power heroes are the Heralds of Galactus (and Galactus himself, though he isn't a hero), including Silver Surfer, and once again the Human Torch (Johnny gets around). Singularity is the newest of the Cosmic Power heroes (she debuted in A-Force last year), but most of the Cosmic Powers are neutral with regard to being heroes or villains. When they do involve themselves with human affairs, they are often seen as villainous because of their lack of empathy for mortal affairs.
 
Ya know, I played Heroes and Marvel growing up, so I'm pretty sure that's where I got that from. I know there are comics online, I wonder if there's any kind of depository with lots of comics to peruse, going back decades. It would be fun re-reading The Beyonder story arc again, for example. Off to Google!
 
braces_for_impact said:
Ya know, I played Heroes and Marvel growing up, so I'm pretty sure that's where I got that from. I know there are comics online, I wonder if there's any kind of depository with lots of comics to peruse, going back decades. It would be fun re-reading The Beyonder story arc again, for example. Off to Google!
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There is Marvel Unlimited, which is around $8 a month, and has tons of comics from past decades. The farther back you go, the more spotty the coverage becomes, especially once you get as far back as Silver Age. The '80s are fairly well covered though, so the Beyonder arc should be there.
 
marc said:
A depository with lots of comics to peruse? Off to my basement. ;)
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I made that mistake once. A flooded basement destroyed most of my collection. I lost everything from the '70s on back, though I only had a couple of very worn issues from the the late '60s. Now my oldest comics are a handful of Superman issues from '82.

My collection currently sits atop a table on the main floor of my house, slowly taking over one corner of the living room. My wife keeps threatening to remove the "eye sore" of carefully stacked drawer boxes, but until shes gives me a better option, they are going nowhere.
 
KeepTalking said:
marc said:
A depository with lots of comics to peruse? Off to my basement. ;)
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I made that mistake once. A flooded basement destroyed most of my collection. I lost everything from the '70s on back, though I only had a couple of very worn issues from the the late '60s. Now my oldest comics are a handful of Superman issues from '82.

My collection currently sits atop a table on the main floor of my house, slowly taking over one corner of the living room. My wife keeps threatening to remove the "eye sore" of carefully stacked drawer boxes, but until shes gives me a better option, they are going nowhere.
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Good for you! My wife has told me outright she won't let me get rid of my comics. Her parents were into collecting toys for a long time, and she has that collectors mindset. In my old house the boxes were kept on pallets to keep them off the ground. Up on a hill we didn't have much worry of flooding. Now they are about 4 feet above the floor, and still not in a flood area. Think my oldest are early 80's, maybe a couple late 70's
 
marc said:
KeepTalking said:
I made that mistake once. A flooded basement destroyed most of my collection. I lost everything from the '70s on back, though I only had a couple of very worn issues from the the late '60s. Now my oldest comics are a handful of Superman issues from '82.

My collection currently sits atop a table on the main floor of my house, slowly taking over one corner of the living room. My wife keeps threatening to remove the "eye sore" of carefully stacked drawer boxes, but until shes gives me a better option, they are going nowhere.
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Good for you! My wife has told me outright she won't let me get rid of my comics. Her parents were into collecting toys for a long time, and she has that collectors mindset. In my old house the boxes were kept on pallets to keep them off the ground. Up on a hill we didn't have much worry of flooding. Now they are about 4 feet above the floor, and still not in a flood area. Think my oldest are early 80's, maybe a couple late 70's
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I occasionally point out the value of some of the books I still have, at which point she asks "When are you going to sell them?" My response is a horrified look. Why would I sell them?

Actually, all of that is in the past. I recently got her into reading a couple of titles, and she now has more of an appreciation of comics in general. She even relaxed my weekly comics budget, but only in the case where the titles she is reading are involved in the purchase. This week it was:

Her: "Hey, volume 3 of Rat Queens is out, let's get it."
Me: "That's half of my weekly budget, I don't think I can afford it."
Her: "Forget the budget, I'm getting it."
Me (whispered): "Score one for the home team."
 
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