Elizabeth Warren's DNA Test

[Koyaanisqatsi]

The legitimacy of making citizenship determinations based on race, less so.

What?

...her claim became based on DNA when she presented her DNA as support for it.

Did you just wake up from a coma or something? As my own post noted—and I reference it only because you quoted it, so you must have read it—Warren had been challenged (taunted, really) to get a DNA test to prove she had NA heritage, first by her opponent in 2012 and then more recently by Trump.

So she finally took a DNA test to shut them the fuck up AND because Trump said he pay a million to her preferred charity if she took a DNA test.

She did; it corroborated her family lore; Trump—like the cowardly bitch that he is—will welch on the million; and she is fully vindicated. End of fucking story.

 

[Copernicus]

And please stop with the nonsense about my use of the expression "political ally". That was meant solely to express her openness to supporting legislation that favored Native American welfare, not some kind of relationship with parochial tribal policies. She is a senator from Massachusetts who grew up in Oklahoma. So it is likely that she does have at least one Cherokee ancestor who contributed to her DNA makeup. That isn't a crime, nor is it an insult for a white person to claim to have such ancestry. What makes you feel so offended by this issue? Are you a Cherokee citizen? Do you feel that you should have a say in who ought to qualify for such status? I certainly don't.

So when you say, "political ally", you don't mean "allied to a political group to which the other party belongs", but merely "allied to a whole 'race' of people in a way you, not they, define"?

No, I mean "allied" in the sense that Warren can be counted on to back legislation that protects the rights of Native Americans. As such, she is currently in the political minority in the Senate, so I think that that ought to count for something in the eyes of Cherokee leaders. They made a serious mistake in going after her for this, because they are weakening the coalition of support that they need. Do any of them not understand the significance of the fight that the Senate just had over the Kavanaugh confirmation and what that means for Native American rights? This is a political battle, and they need to stand by those who stand by them.

And I am offended because I am an American, and have a stake in how we as an imperial power treat the nations we once subjected to genocide and now claim plenary rights over as subject peoples. Everyone should care about this, not just those who happen to share blood with one of those tribes. That mentality, that whites should only care about white issues, is exactly what led to those previous atrocities, and it will be the destruction of the American empire unless it changes, eventually.

What are you talking about? I am an American, too, and I am offended by your suggestion that Warren did something here that ought to offend Cherokees. Warren's DNA test has nothing to do with historical genocide by the US federal government. It is about the President of the United States taunting a sitting US senator with racist smears because she once claimed to have Native American ancestors. As far as I know, Warren was never complicit in distributing blankets tainted with smallpox. At worst, she believed stories that her family told her about a Cherokee ancestor. What is the big deal here?

 

[Koyaanisqatsi]

Stories—details—that are now corroborated by the DNA test.

 

[Politesse]

No, I mean "allied" in the sense that Warren can be counted on to back legislation that protects the rights of Native Americans. As such, she is currently in the political minority in the Senate, so I think that that ought to count for something in the eyes of Cherokee leaders. They made a serious mistake in going after her for this, because they are weakening the coalition of support that they need. Do any of them not understand the significance of the fight that the Senate just had over the Kavanaugh confirmation and what that means for Native American rights? This is a political battle, and they need to stand by those who stand by them.

And I am offended because I am an American, and have a stake in how we as an imperial power treat the nations we once subjected to genocide and now claim plenary rights over as subject peoples. Everyone should care about this, not just those who happen to share blood with one of those tribes. That mentality, that whites should only care about white issues, is exactly what led to those previous atrocities, and it will be the destruction of the American empire unless it changes, eventually.

What are you talking about? I am an American, too, and I am offended by your suggestion that Warren did something here that ought to offend Cherokees. Warren's DNA test has nothing to do with historical genocide by the US federal government. It is about the President of the United States taunting a sitting US senator with racist smears because she once claimed to have Native American ancestors. As far as I know, Warren was never complicit in distributing blankets tainted with smallpox. At worst, she believed stories that her family told her about a Cherokee ancestor. What is the big deal here?

Ah, tell me more about what Indians "need" to do, "for their own good". I just love that good old imperialist spirit.

 

[Koyaanisqatsi]

“Indians” are people from India.

 

[RavenSky]

Mainstream Media Is Blowing Its Coverage Of Elizabeth Warren’s DNA Test

Tribal leaders and Native people say the senator is an ally — and they support her look at her ancestry. But hardly anyone asked them.

Of the three Native voices mixed in with political pundits in the Times story, one is a known Warren critic and one is a congresswoman-elect whose positive comments were buried ― a stunning distortion of how many tribal leaders and Native people in general feel about Warren’s move.

HuffPost talked to a dozen tribal chiefs, Native politicians, researchers and influencers to get a sense of why this narrative that has taken off in the media ― that Warren, who has been a strong ally to tribes, is suddenly on the ropes with them because of her DNA test ― seems off... The consensus was clear: This narrative is incredibly overblown. Tribal leaders have far more pressing matters to deal with than a senator’s DNA test.

Was Warren wrong to release DNA test results showing that she had a Native ancestor? Are tribal leaders and Native people mad? It depends on whom you talk to. In the group that HuffPost surveyed, the answer to both those questions was overwhelmingly no.

Richard Sneed, the principal chief of the Eastern Band of Cherokee Indians, said he’s not upset at all by Warren’s DNA test. He hasn’t heard from any tribal leaders who are mad either.

“She’s never claimed to be a tribal citizen. She’s never used her story of ancestry to her advantage. She just has a story of Native ancestry,” he said. “People tell me that all the time. Everywhere I go. I don’t think people are trying to gain some status by saying that.”

Dennis Coker, the principal chief of Delaware’s Lenape Indian Tribe... also defended Warren. His comments haven’t gotten much news play.

“Someone who is proud of having that native ancestor — no matter what percentage or what degree it is — in my view, is a person I honor,” Coker said in October. “I honor people who are seeking their roots.”

Others lamented that it feels as though Warren’s personal journey of self-discovery is being weaponized against Native identity and Native people.

Trump’s bullying of Warren is part of the president’s record of disrespecting tribes ― like the time he made a Pocahontas crack about her during a White House ceremony honoring Native American World War II veterans ― and destroying or taking their land.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entr...t-native-american_us_5c19550fe4b0432554c512bb

 

[Derec]

“Indians” are people from India.

Siberian-Americans, then?

 

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