Elizabeth Warren's DNA Test

[laughing dog]

No, report says 10 generations which is just a way to express 1/512 which was found in her DNA. So no such uncertainty.

No, the report (to which the article has a link) says

Conclusion
While the vast majority of the individual’s ancestry is European, the results strongly support
the existence of an unadmixed Native American ancestor in the individual’s pedigree, likely in the range of 6- 10 generations ago.

(https://mk0elizabethwarh5ore.kinstacdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/Bustamante_Report_2018.pdf.

 

[dismal]

There is more than enough to separate Native (north) americans from native (south) americans.
If you are worried you can get pure native american DNA from old remnants.

Well, regardless of what you can do, that's not what they did do. They compared her DNA to samples they had on record and found a small amount of her DNA was correlated to people from Mexico, Peru and Colombia.

You want her deported?
Report says "native americans"

There were five parts of Warren’s DNA that signaled she had a Native American ancestor, according to the report. The largest piece of Native American DNA was found on her 10th chromosome, according to the report. Each human has 23 pairs of chromosomes.

“It really stood out,” said Bustamante in an interview. “We found five segments, and that long segment was pretty significant. It tells us about one ancestor, and we can’t rule out more ancestors.”

He added: “We are confident it is not an error.”

Detecting DNA for Native Americans is particularly tricky because there is an absence of Native American DNA available for comparison. This is in part because Native American leaders have asked tribal members not to participate in genetic databases.

“The tribes have felt they have been exploited,” explained Lawrence Brody, a senior investigator with the Medical Genomics and Metabolic Genetics Branch at the National Institutes of Health. “The amount of genetic data that is available from Native Americans is sparse.”

To make up for the dearth of Native American DNA, Bustamante used samples from Mexico, Peru, and Colombia to stand in for Native American. That’s because scientists believe that the groups Americans refer to as Native American came to this land via the Bering Strait about 12,000 years ago and settled in what’s now America but also migrated further south. His report explained that the use of reference populations whose genetic material has been fully sequenced was designed “for maximal accuracy.”

https://www.bostonglobe.com/news/po...rican-issue/YEUaGzsefB0gPBe2AbmSVO/story.html

As an aside, I looked into the public market genetic tests a while back when my brother got his DNA tested and some of what came back was not consistent with known family history. This is a good article about the inexactitude of the testing methodology:

https://gizmodo.com/how-dna-testing-botched-my-familys-heritage-and-probab-1820932637

 

[marc]

So, she's white.

Not according to the One Drop rule.

Well, one thing we can say for sure is that it does not count as being Native American on an employment form.

So good thing she never claimed such on any employment form, or application, etc.

 

[RavenSky]

So the headline is that Warren is 0% [1/1024] Native American. Brilliant.

No, the headline is that Trump is less than 2/3 orangutan.

I think we're going to require a larger blood sample.

Also, some of these tests are little less than reliable.

https://www.insideedition.com/inves...tests-investigation-uses-triplets-to-find-out

I'm much more native american than Warren, but I've never tried to pretend that it means anything. It's not like I was raised with a tribal affiliation (my great great grandmother was Lakota) and it really doesn't mean much.

I don't remember the original context of Warren's claim, but why is this even an issue?

Because years and years and years ago - long before DNA ancestry tests were commonly available - a young Elizabeth Warren marked on a form that she was part Native American based on what she was told by her family of her ancestry. She did not receive any personal benefits from doing so; though iirc someone at the university once included her picture as part of a diversity brochure as a result.

The Globe obtained a portion of Warren’s application to Rutgers, which asks if prospective students want to apply for admission under the school’s Program for Minority Group Students. Warren answered “no.”For her employment documents at the University of Texas, Warren indicated that she was “white.”

The Herald has twice quoted Charles Fried, the head of the Harvard appointing committee that recommended Warren for her position in 1995, saying that the Democratic candidate’s heritage didn’t come up during the course of her hiring. “It simply played no role in the appointments process,” he said. “It was not mentioned and I didn’t mention it to the faculty.”

The Herald later quoted Fried, a former U.S. Solicitor General under President Ronald Reagan, saying, “I can state categorically that the subject of her Native American ancestry never once was mentioned.”

Because of that, Fuck Face Von Clownstick has now spent years insulting Native Americans in his attempts to belittle and shame a strong woman he feels threatened by.

Note, both he and Scott Brown (where this nonsense originated) have insisted that Elizabeth Warren has no Native American heritage in her family tree based purely on their apparent ability to simply look at someone to determine they are 100% "white". In other words, they had zero facts to support their years-long attacks on Elizabeth Warren.

 

[blastula]

I don't like that she gave in to this idiocy, just like Obama did too with his birth certificate.

 

[laughing dog]

Because of that, Fuck Face Von Clownstick has now spent years insulting Native Americans in his attempts to belittle and shame a strong woman he feels threatened by.

Don't forget his mindless adorers and dupes as well.

 

[Derec]

I don't remember the original context of Warren's claim,

She was hired by Harvard as a "woman of color". No, really.

but why is this even an issue?

The only reason it's an issue is that in contemporary America, being a "minority" gives you a lot of special rights and privileges (for example, it would not have been PC for Moogly to make that orangutan joke about Obama). In case of Indians, in addition to admission and hiring preferences blacks and hispanics also enjoy, Indians get monopoly gambling businesses, legal right to use certain drugs the rest of us would be thrown in jail for, tax exemptions and many more privileges. Being an Indian is a big benefit.

 

[Derec]

Warren never claimed to be a full on Native American.

She claimed to be a "woman of color" when at Harvard.

 

[Tom Sawyer]

I don't remember the original context of Warren's claim,

She was hired by Harvard as a "woman of color". No, really.

but why is this even an issue?

The only reason it's an issue is that in contemporary America, being a "minority" gives you a lot of special rights and privileges (for example, it would not have been PC for Moogly to make that orangutan joke about Obama). In case of Indians, in addition to admission and hiring preferences blacks and hispanics also enjoy, Indians get monopoly gambling businesses, legal right to use certain drugs the rest of us would be thrown in jail for, tax exemptions and many more privileges. Being an Indian is a big benefit.

Ya, and all it took to get them those benefits was mass genocide and generations of oppression. Lucky fuckers.

 

[Elixir]

So, she's white.

What a relief. I was so afraid that El Cheato would attack her for not being white enough.
Much better if he attacks her for being too white.

 

[laughing dog]

I don't remember the original context of Warren's claim,

She was hired by Harvard as a "woman of color". No, really.

Your source is dated and wrong. According to a recent review

(https://www.bostonglobe.com/news/nation/2018/09/01/did-claiming-native-american-heritage-actually-help-elizabeth-warren-get-ahead-but-complicated/wUZZcrKKEOUv5Spnb7IO0K/story.html)

In the most exhaustive review undertaken of Elizabeth Warren’s professional history, the Globe found clear evidence, in documents and interviews, that her claim to Native American ethnicity was never considered by the Harvard Law faculty, which voted resoundingly to hire her, or by those who hired her to four prior positions at other law schools. At every step of her remarkable rise in the legal profession, the people responsible for hiring her saw her as a white woman.

 

[Derec]

Ya, and all it took to get them those benefits was mass genocide and generations of oppression. Lucky fuckers.

Two wrongs do not make a right. Having special rights because your ethnicity is American Indian (or Siberian-American if you prefer) should not give you any special rights.
And no, the so-called tribal sovereignty doesn't really count, as they claim sovereign only when it suits them. "Pay taxes? Obey laws? Sorry, we're 'sovereign'. But do give us your taxpayer money for roads, sewers, schools, hospitals, etc." It's a ripoff! Also: "yes, we do like to drive pickup trucks and the like, but don't you dare route a pipeline anywhere near us, or there'll be trouble!"

 

[RavenSky]

So, she's white.

Not according to the One Drop rule.

Well, one thing we can say for sure is that it does not count as being Native American on an employment form.

So good thing she never claimed such on any employment form, or application, etc.

I read somewhere today (will link it if I can find it again) that the "one drop rule" only applied to blacks, because then white plantation owners could declare them slaves.

OTOH, a minimum of 1/16th (iirc) was required to claim Native American status because the U.S. government wanted to minimize the number of people who could claim land or benefits as a Native American.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

I don't like that she gave in to this idiocy, just like Obama did too with his birth certificate.

But now with egg on their face, I'm certain the right-wingers will show grace, admit error, and move forward.

*sigh*

 

[Derec]

Your source is dated and wrong. According to a recent review

That's what they claim now. But it doesn't pass the smell test. They didn't consider her "minority status" when they hired her, but touted her "minority status" in brochures once she was hired. Sure, whatever you say.

We know these universities engage in "affirmative action" not only when admitting students but also in hiring. I am sure they thanked their lucky stars tehy could use Pochachontas there to fill their "minority" quotas.

This whole business goes to show why so-called "affirmative action" is so wrong. Especially when universities discriminate in favor of feather Indians but against dot Indians.

 

[Tom Sawyer]

Your source is dated and wrong. According to a recent review

That's what they claim now. But it doesn't pass the smell test. They didn't consider her "minority status" when they hired her, but touted her "minority status" in brochures once she was hired. Sure, whatever you say.

We know these universities engage in "affirmative action" not only when admitting students but also in hiring. I am sure they thanked their lucky stars tehy could use Pochachontas there to fill their "minority" quotas.

This whole business goes to show why so-called "affirmative action" is so wrong. Especially when universities discriminate in favor of feather Indians but against dot Indians.

Ya, it really sucks how everyone in the world is a liar except for the virulent racists.

 

[ZiprHead]

I don't like that she gave in to this idiocy, just like Obama did too with his birth certificate.

But now with egg on their face, I'm certain the right-wingers will show grace, admit error, and move forward.

*sigh*

Hope springs eternal.

 

[Derec]

I read somewhere today (will link it if I can find it again) that the "one drop rule" only applied to blacks, because then white plantation owners could declare them slaves.

That indeed was the origin. Current use is just as racist, although it has flipped 180°. Currently "one drop" is championed by black race warriors who want to declare all biracial people "black" to boost their ranks.

OTOH, a minimum of 1/16th (iirc) was required to claim Native American status because the U.S. government wanted to minimize the number of people who could claim land or benefits as a Native American.

1/16th is pretty tiny already. But I think it depends on the tribe. Cherokees have no minimum and so we people with less than .1% Indian blood claim racist Indian benefits because they are enrolled Cherokee.

 

[Derec]

Ya, it really sucks how everyone in the world is a liar except for the virulent racists.

You claim I am a "virulent racist" because I oppose giving special benefits to people on account of their race?

War is peace, freedom is slavery, ignorance is strength. Being against racist policies is virulently racist.
Have we merged with UK and became Oceania and I missed it?

 

[RavenSky]

I don't like that she gave in to this idiocy, just like Obama did too with his birth certificate.

I agree. And it won't shut up the likes of Trump or his MAGA morons.

But I like that the irrefutable facts are public. It is much easier to shut down the claims of the morons for the benefit of those who weren't sure either way.