• Welcome to the new Internet Infidels Discussion Board, formerly Talk Freethought.

Epstein arrested

Cheerful Charlie

Contributor
Joined
Nov 11, 2005
Messages
6,134
Location
Houston, Texas
Basic Beliefs
Strong Atheist
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/more-jeffrey-epstein-accusers-come-forward_n_5d27db6ae4b0060b11e9dffa

...
At least a dozen more women have reportedly come forward with accusations of sexual assault and sex trafficking since Jeffrey Epstein, a New York money manager, was arrested for such crimes last weekend.

As the Miami Herald reported Thursday, at least 12 women have reached out to attorneys in New York and Palm Beach, Florida, with their claims about Epstein, 66.
...

This is getting to be a real circus from hell.
 

Cheerful Charlie

Contributor
Joined
Nov 11, 2005
Messages
6,134
Location
Houston, Texas
Basic Beliefs
Strong Atheist
https://www.rawstory.com/2019/07/bu...s-tampering-in-child-sex-trafficking-scandal/

...
Convicted sex offender Jeffery Epstein — a longtime close friend of President Donald Trump — payed hundreds of thousands of dollars in a witness tampering scheme, The New York Times reported Friday.
“Jeffrey Epstein, the financier facing sex-trafficking charges in New York, was accused of witness tampering on Friday by federal prosecutors, who said he wired $350,000 to two people who were potential witnesses against him,” the newspaper reported.
...

Can it get worse? Yes indeedy, it can get worse.
 

masterpeastheater

New member
Joined
Sep 20, 2010
Messages
49
Location
eastern u.s.
Basic Beliefs
agnostic leaning atheist
The firm that defended Epstein 15 years ago employed William Barr, Brett Kavanaugh, William Acosta and John Bolton. Good scary shit indeed.
 
Last edited:

ZiprHead

Loony Running The Asylum
Staff member
Joined
Oct 23, 2002
Messages
29,889
Location
Frozen in Michigan
Gender
Old Fart
Basic Beliefs
Democratic Socialist Atheist
The firm that defended Epstein 15 years ago employed William Barr, Brett Kavanaugh, William Acosta and John Bolton. Good scary shit indeed.
proof?--aside from Acosta--that's well known.

 Kirkland & Ellis

Prominent attorneys to have worked at the firm include former appellate court judge Robert Bork, Supreme Court justice Brett Kavanaugh, Clinton-era Special Counsel Ken Starr, and various Trump administration officials, including National Security Adviser John R. Bolton, Attorney General William Barr, former Secretary of Labor Alexander Acosta, and Secretary of Health and Human Services Alex Azar.
 

Cheerful Charlie

Contributor
Joined
Nov 11, 2005
Messages
6,134
Location
Houston, Texas
Basic Beliefs
Strong Atheist
https://www.rawstory.com/2019/07/ep...r-in-accused-predators-home-trump-biographer/

...
Appearing on MSNBC’s “AM Joy” the author of “TrumpNation,” Tim O’Brien, claimed that the Southern District of New York investigators uncovered a wealth of photographic evidence from accused child trafficker Jeffrey Epstein’s Manhattan townhouse that could clear up — or confirm — accusations made by a woman who claimed Donald Trump raped her in Epstein’s home in the ’90s.
Speaking with host Joy Reid, O’Brien noted that Epstein’s home has cameras in every room leading him to believe that there is a treasure trove of tapes showing criminality.
...

It just keeps getting better and better. Who is going to turn up on these tapes? I can hear sphincters clenching all over America.
 

Worldtraveller

Veteran Member
Joined
Nov 28, 2017
Messages
2,700
Location
Layton, UT
Basic Beliefs
Atheist
Liberals are already lining up to condemn Clinton if the evidence shows he is involved.

That's the difference between authority fellators and the rest of us - they worship authority, the rest of us have principles.

Good. But it wasn't always that way.

Back in the '90's Democrats were very eager to defend Bill from the multiple rape accusations, much like Republicans today with Trump. The Clintons are yesterday's news, which is why it is safe to throw them to the mob.

Both sides are not the same, Jason, no matter how much you stomp your feet and insist so.
Also, it's not the 90s anymore.

Unlike the neanderthals in the GOP and libertarian side of things, many of us are capable of learning and wanting things to improve.
 

Angry Floof

Tricksy Leftits
Staff member
Joined
Jul 17, 2008
Messages
14,139
Location
Sector 001
Basic Beliefs
Humanist
It makes me wonder, how many other wealthy sexual predators are doing similar things today but are flying under the radar?

Probably thousands. I wouldn't be surprised. Our culture offers no consequences for it. Men just won't hold each other accountable. Oh, yes, there's a small fraction of men who have the courage to call out misogynists and abusers for what they are, but most men, including a great man "good men," go along with the status quo no matter how disgusting or unjust it is because men in general cannot stand up to each other. Even if they have the wherewithal to recognize each other's bad behavior as such, it's too uncomfortable to stand up to abusers. It's much easier to let it go and even consider the child or the woman to be complicit in their own abuse because there is literally no consequences for men who do nothing. Just as I posted in another thread, men, particularly white men, do not have to care about women and children and so most of them simply do not.
 

Cheerful Charlie

Contributor
Joined
Nov 11, 2005
Messages
6,134
Location
Houston, Texas
Basic Beliefs
Strong Atheist
https://www.nydailynews.com/new-yor...0190707-tl4t2wptbzcslnwycdztwkb6wi-story.html

....
“And the other interesting thing is Trump had a modeling agency, and Epstein also had a stake in a modeling agency, which they suspect he used to bring in underage girls from overseas,” she added. “There is a comment in one of the court files where Epstein is quoted as saying, ‘I want to set up my modeling agency the same way Trump set up his modeling agency.’ I don’t know what that means, but it is curious that he was trying to do something similar to Trump.”
...

This may get very interesting indeed.
 

Angry Floof

Tricksy Leftits
Staff member
Joined
Jul 17, 2008
Messages
14,139
Location
Sector 001
Basic Beliefs
Humanist
We have the ongoing R. Kelly case. A wealthy man with a lot of enablers helping him. Bill Cosby of course.

So wealthy they're almost white in what they can get away with. Almost.

You hate White men. We get it.

Yeah, that's the ticket! ;) If white men are held accountable or their privilege exposed, it just means we hate them. How convenient! No glucose wasted there, right? We wouldn't want you to experience discomfort or anything, would we, sweetheart?
 

Trausti

LGBASDF3+/-
Joined
Jul 30, 2005
Messages
9,743
Gender
Who/Whom
What's interesting to me, anyway, is that this gives us hoi polloi a window into New York high society. Epstein, it seems, knew a lot of rich and powerful people. I guess they all know each other. It's almost like high school. He was the cool kid, for some reason. But why would he know Woody Allen, George Snuffleupagus, and Katie Couric?
 

Angry Floof

Tricksy Leftits
Staff member
Joined
Jul 17, 2008
Messages
14,139
Location
Sector 001
Basic Beliefs
Humanist

Jason Harvestdancer

Contributor
Joined
Oct 24, 2005
Messages
7,233
Location
Lots of planets have a North
Basic Beliefs
Wiccan
Both sides are not the same, Jason, no matter how much you stomp your feet and insist so.
Also, it's not the 90s anymore.

Or even the 2016 primary, which wasn't that long ago.

Unlike the neanderthals in the GOP and libertarian side of things, many of us are capable of learning and wanting things to improve.

Now that Clinton is expendable, the Democrats showed they are finally capable of learning and wanting things to improve - only after 2016.

Don't soft peddle it. This is going to hurt LOTS of Republicans and LOTS of Democrats. Now how many libertarians are involved in this? Ah yes, none.
 

Cheerful Charlie

Contributor
Joined
Nov 11, 2005
Messages
6,134
Location
Houston, Texas
Basic Beliefs
Strong Atheist
https://www.rawstory.com/2019/07/je...ill-stay-in-jail-until-sex-trafficking-trial/

...
A federal judge denied bail bail to Jeffrey Epstein after his arrest on sex-trafficking charges.
U.S. District Judge Richard Berman heard arguments from prosecutors and Epstein’s attorneys Monday but waited until Thursday to issue his ruling.


Prosecutors argued that Epstein, who has pleaded not guilty, should remain jailed because he’s a danger to the public and a flight risk, pointing to a phony passport listing a Saudi Arabia residence that was found in a safe at his New York home, along with cash and diamonds.
...

And a lot less chance to destroy evidence also.
 

Keith&Co.

Contributor
Joined
Apr 1, 2006
Messages
22,444
Location
Far Western Mass
Gender
Here.
Basic Beliefs
I'm here...
A federal judge denied bail bail to Jeffrey Epstein after his arrest on sex-trafficking charges.
U.S. District Judge Richard Berman heard arguments from prosecutors and Epstein’s attorneys Monday but waited until Thursday to issue his ruling.
And the defense didn't claim, "He's not a flight risk, you guys grabbed his flight passport!"?
Seems like an obvious response...
 

Cheerful Charlie

Contributor
Joined
Nov 11, 2005
Messages
6,134
Location
Houston, Texas
Basic Beliefs
Strong Atheist
Can this whole Epstein escapade get weirder and bizarre? Why yes, it can!

https://www.rawstory.com/2019/07/st...humanity-with-his-dna-and-freezing-his-penis/

...
The New York Times on Wednesday published an article detailing Jeffrey Epstein’s desire to “seed the human race with his DNA.”
...
“On multiple occasions starting in the early 2000s, Mr. Epstein told scientists and businessmen about his ambitions to use his New Mexico ranch as a base where women would be inseminated with his sperm and would give birth to his babies,” sources told The New York Times. His dream “was to have 20 women at a time impregnated.”
Epstein had also expressed an interest in cryogenics. He allegedly wanted both his head and penis to be frozen.
...

I for one welcome our new master race overlord.
 

Angry Floof

Tricksy Leftits
Staff member
Joined
Jul 17, 2008
Messages
14,139
Location
Sector 001
Basic Beliefs
Humanist
Can this whole Epstein escapade get weirder and bizarre? Why yes, it can!

https://www.rawstory.com/2019/07/st...humanity-with-his-dna-and-freezing-his-penis/

...
The New York Times on Wednesday published an article detailing Jeffrey Epstein’s desire to “seed the human race with his DNA.”
...
“On multiple occasions starting in the early 2000s, Mr. Epstein told scientists and businessmen about his ambitions to use his New Mexico ranch as a base where women would be inseminated with his sperm and would give birth to his babies,” sources told The New York Times. His dream “was to have 20 women at a time impregnated.”
Epstein had also expressed an interest in cryogenics. He allegedly wanted both his head and penis to be frozen.
...

I for one welcome our new master race overlord.

I'd like to see his head and penis frozen, too, but not wait until he dies.
 

Sarpedon

Veteran Member
Joined
Sep 24, 2002
Messages
2,976
Location
MN, US
Basic Beliefs
the Philosophy of Not Giving a Damn
And here the biggest problem with cryogenics is illustrated: Why the fuck would the future want us?
 

Jimmy Higgins

Contributor
Joined
Feb 1, 2001
Messages
35,638
Basic Beliefs
Calvinistic Atheist
Can this whole Epstein escapade get weirder and bizarre? Why yes, it can!

https://www.rawstory.com/2019/07/st...humanity-with-his-dna-and-freezing-his-penis/

...
The New York Times on Wednesday published an article detailing Jeffrey Epstein’s desire to “seed the human race with his DNA.”
...
“On multiple occasions starting in the early 2000s, Mr. Epstein told scientists and businessmen about his ambitions to use his New Mexico ranch as a base where women would be inseminated with his sperm and would give birth to his babies,” sources told The New York Times. His dream “was to have 20 women at a time impregnated.”
Epstein had also expressed an interest in cryogenics. He allegedly wanted both his head and penis to be frozen.
Isn't he worried about shrinkage?
 

Cheerful Charlie

Contributor
Joined
Nov 11, 2005
Messages
6,134
Location
Houston, Texas
Basic Beliefs
Strong Atheist
This is getting more and more entertaining by the day. If he had been smarter, he would have become a founder and head guru of a new age sex cult.
 

Elixir

Made in America
Joined
Sep 23, 2012
Messages
20,134
Location
Mountains
Basic Beliefs
English is complicated
This is getting more and more entertaining by the day. If he had been smarter, he would have become a founder and head guru of a new age sex cult.

Indeed. If he had called it a religion from the outset, he could still be doing business as usual while the matter winds its way through the courts...
 

Derec

Contributor
Joined
Aug 19, 2002
Messages
21,695
Location
Atlanta, GA
Basic Beliefs
atheist

blastula

Contributor
Joined
Apr 14, 2006
Messages
7,962
Gender
Late for dinner
Basic Beliefs
Gnostic atheist
He's dead, dammit. Conspiracy theories are rampant.
 

southernhybrid

Contributor
Joined
Aug 13, 2001
Messages
6,450
Location
Georgia, US
Basic Beliefs
atheist
Considering that most prison deaths are due to suicide, considering that he already made one attempt to hang himself and considering that the poor little shit head didn't like being in his cell because he had to be near all those other inmates who he thought he was so superior to, so he spent hours with his lawyers when they came to visit just to avoid that terrible cell, I think he probably did commit suicide. I'm glad the mother fucker is dead! He can't hurt anyone again, and there will be numerous civil suits against his estate. Plus think of all the money that was saved by not having to prosecute or jail him any longer.

Regardless of what the investigation discovers, I say good riddance to a horrible man that caused a huge number of young women to suffer.
 

TV and credit cards

Veteran Member
Joined
Nov 17, 2013
Messages
4,353
Location
muh-dahy-nuh
Basic Beliefs
Humanist

Don2 (Don1 Revised)

Contributor
Joined
Apr 1, 2004
Messages
11,630
Location
USA
Basic Beliefs
Nonpracticing agnostic
Here's a guy who would have wanted to commit suicide. But he's surrounded by coincidences. For some reason he is not under constant watch. He's also not in a cell by himself: he has a cellmate. It just so happens that the cellmate had already been charged with quadruple murder and "found" Epstein. I don't know what he killed himself with but all those materials are supposed to banned, even shoelaces so you can't hang yourself with them. Additionally, news media is saying the "lapse" in security is unprecedented for the Epstein case. Now, if kept alive, Epstein could have ratted out the most powerful men in the country and government.

Therefore, while I think he probably did this himself, I am open-minded because of the motives, opportunity, and coincidences. Now, if something else comes out, like another dead person, or someone confessing to something, I will probably at that point believe a conspiracy is more likely because of the weight of all these coincidences, plus the new ones. And if nothing comes out over time, I will be less open-minded to the idea of a conspiracy because there will have been opportunity for evidence to come out, but it didn't.
 

ZiprHead

Loony Running The Asylum
Staff member
Joined
Oct 23, 2002
Messages
29,889
Location
Frozen in Michigan
Gender
Old Fart
Basic Beliefs
Democratic Socialist Atheist
 Frank Pentangeli

After the hearing, Corleone family consigliere Tom Hagen (Robert Duvall) visits Pentangeli in custody. Hagen tells Pentangeli, a history buff, a story about how traitors in ancient Rome could spare their families if they committed suicide; the implication being that Michael will take care of Pentangeli's family if he kills himself. Pentangeli thanks Hagen, returns to his assigned quarters, and slits his wrists while taking a bath.
 

abaddon

Veteran Member
Joined
Aug 13, 2003
Messages
2,076
Location
USA
Basic Beliefs
agnostic
 Frank Pentangeli

After the hearing, Corleone family consigliere Tom Hagen (Robert Duvall) visits Pentangeli in custody. Hagen tells Pentangeli, a history buff, a story about how traitors in ancient Rome could spare their families if they committed suicide; the implication being that Michael will take care of Pentangeli's family if he kills himself. Pentangeli thanks Hagen, returns to his assigned quarters, and slits his wrists while taking a bath.
That movie scene is exactly what came to my mind too when I heard of this.

It's not good that this guy's dead, he can have named names... really famous names... for a plea bargain.
 

Jimmy Higgins

Contributor
Joined
Feb 1, 2001
Messages
35,638
Basic Beliefs
Calvinistic Atheist
Well, we probably will never know. He is certainly the type of guy that'd want to not serve time in prison and knew he was boned. Then you've got the power connection.
 

Elixir

Made in America
Joined
Sep 23, 2012
Messages
20,134
Location
Mountains
Basic Beliefs
English is complicated
Well, we probably will never know. He is certainly the type of guy that'd want to not serve time in prison and knew he was boned. Then you've got the power connection.

Trump's name was on one of the flight manifests... :rolleyes:
 

Jason Harvestdancer

Contributor
Joined
Oct 24, 2005
Messages
7,233
Location
Lots of planets have a North
Basic Beliefs
Wiccan
Words cannot express just how disappointed by the murder of Epstein. This had the potential to sink so many rich and powerful people, most of the Washington elite.

I should have guessed this would of course happen. Hopefully given the amount of evidence they seized they may actually follow through and release a lot of the information and charge the many people who deserve it. Probably that won't happen.
 

Elixir

Made in America
Joined
Sep 23, 2012
Messages
20,134
Location
Mountains
Basic Beliefs
English is complicated
Words cannot express just how disappointed by the murder of Epstein. This had the potential to sink so many rich and powerful people, most of the Washington elite.

I should have guessed this would of course happen. Hopefully given the amount of evidence they seized they may actually follow through and release a lot of the information and charge the many people who deserve it. Probably that won't happen.

I predict there will be designated fall guy(s) - just enough that the public will lose interest.
 

repoman

Contributor
Joined
Aug 4, 2001
Messages
8,282
Location
Seattle, WA
Basic Beliefs
Science Based Atheism
So, if this was a drug kingpin on suicide watch (or just taken off it) and this happened, would not the FBI be brought in and the body not leave the cell until a truly massive amount of information was taken? The cell also put under immense security.
 
Top Bottom