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And WTF is “white patriotism”, coming from a guy that is about as WASP as one gets, as my mommy traced my bloodline back to 10-15 families of the Mayflower
It's the very funny effort of 'white power' supporters choosing a less offensive term so they can find each other and grouse about 'political correctness' ruining the language.
Maybe I should raise a white flag ;)

Next I should pick up a copy of the genuine photo of Hillary with a Confederate flag in her room....
 

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Give me time. I am just getting warmed up. As for this thread, nobody has sucessfully refuted me yet. But with some things, it is like debating the reality of human caused global warming with a global warming denier. No answwer you give is good enough. As for what any experts may have to say, they aren't expert enough. If you don't want to believe me, fine. Look this stuff up for yourself. But if your mindset is that 6 million Jews were gassed, I doubt if it will do any good.

So if someone refuted you, you would change your position and decide that everything you learned about WW2 is true?


My only question about all of this, is whether you believe it yourself, or are you just trying to dupe people who don't know any better? Neither is very good for you, but I'm curious.
Bronzeage,
It isn't possible for anybody to refute me. So your question is pointless. As for the rest, watch the documentary I mentioned. Do what the makers of it invite you to do at the end of it. Which is to look up the facts for yourself. Until then, don't bother me with your brainwashed opinions.
 

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So if someone refuted you, you would change your position and decide that everything you learned about WW2 is true?


My only question about all of this, is whether you believe it yourself, or are you just trying to dupe people who don't know any better? Neither is very good for you, but I'm curious.
Bronzeage,
It isn't possible for anybody to refute me. So your question is pointless. As for the rest, watch the documentary I mentioned. Do what the makers of it invite you to do at the end of it. Which is to look up the facts for yourself. Until then, don't bother me with your brainwashed opinions.
Actually, you have been refuted and proven wrong a number of times. So the correct statement is "It isn't possible for me to acknowledge that anybody has refuted me."
 

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So if someone refuted you, you would change your position and decide that everything you learned about WW2 is true?


My only question about all of this, is whether you believe it yourself, or are you just trying to dupe people who don't know any better? Neither is very good for you, but I'm curious.
Bronzeage,
It isn't possible for anybody to refute me. So your question is pointless. As for the rest, watch the documentary I mentioned. Do what the makers of it invite you to do at the end of it. Which is to look up the facts for yourself. Until then, don't bother me with your brainwashed opinions.
Could you please make a chart and indicate which facts are true and which facts are lies? That'd make it easier to look up all the right facts.
 

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Bronzeage,
It isn't possible for anybody to refute me. So your question is pointless. As for the rest, watch the documentary I mentioned. Do what the makers of it invite you to do at the end of it. Which is to look up the facts for yourself. Until then, don't bother me with your brainwashed opinions.
Actually, you have been refuted and proven wrong a number of times. So the correct statement is "It isn't possible for me to acknowledge that anybody has refuted me."

How I imagine he'll look after awhile...

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I don't know if I can believe you cult smasher, because I was fooled once before.

I saw a series of films produced with intricate detail that detailed the lives of a secretive group of people living in Great Britain. These people deliberately hid in the shadows and had their own specialized schools, shops, and even transportation.

One movie showed me the actual currency that these people used apparently they distrust the pound and prefer to use gold and silver coins whenever they make transactions with one another. One movie told me the secret words they used when they would summon their buses and taxis which would shuttle them around the city of London and the surrounding countryside.

I couldn't believe that nobody had heard about these people before, but their existence started to come to light when a book was published in 1997. This book was telling expose of one of this groups most prominent and secretive schools hidden in a quaint valley north of London. I read this book and couldn't believe the startling detail and shocking acts the students and teachers would perform. Apparently this group believes in occult practices and think they can do all kinds of mystical things like foretell the future and acquire aspects of animals after they perform certain rituals.

Further research on the internet including some queries I made on AskJeeves confirmed the existence of this queer xenophobic clan.

It turns out that all the details and testimony that went into the production of the movies and books were lies. I was so disappointed. None of it was true. Spectacular dialogues with actual members of this hidden cult and it turns out they were paid actors. Even the author of the first book admitted she had made the whole thing up.

Well I swore to myself that I would never be tricked again.

From now on I need REAL evidence that can't be faked by paid actors, detailed props, and anonymous internet testimony.
Can you provide me the evidence I need cultsmasher? Or is it possible you are just as duped as I was.


And that dirty J.K. Rowling and her Harry Potter books can just go rot in hell.

zorq,
Everybody has probably been fooled at times. But the real tragedy is to remain fooled. As to the reality or not of the holocaust, all I have to do is look at the sorry state of the world. But in particular, the U.S. Which I blame on Jews. Seing all the filth they are responsible for, it is just more likely that they also lied about the holocaust.

But getting down to specifics, how can you know anything apart from the sciences unless you've researched them yourself. For a poor person like me, I am limited to what can be found on the internet. Some is real and some is fake. The best you can do is weigh the evidence for yourself.

But therein lies another problem. In my thread I quoted a couple old sayings. One was, "In war, truth is the first casualty." When a lie has been established, how can you go back on it without making yourself look as bad as, or worse, than your enemy. The other old saying is, "History is written by the victors." In this case, that means the U.S. and its allies. If they chose to spout bullshit, they could flood the internet with it. No doubt they could find an endless supply of forged documents, "patriotic" experts and those willing to give false testimony. It is a minefield. But if you're careful, you can find your way through it.

As for evidence, look up "Esienhower's Holocaust." Is it true? Well after the war, just like after most other wars, the losing soldiers go home and peace is sought. But that didn't happen with the German ex-soldiers being held prisoners of ex-war. So it is most likely true. You can also enter into your google browser, "How many German Jews were deported to Palestine under The Haavara Agreement." A couple websites down, you will find that question asked. It is hosted by "Yahoo, answers." In it they have what they call "The Best Answer." It says that Germany deported 60 to 70% of it's Jews. That puts a different take on the whole "final solution" thing. But feel free to look up "The Haavara Agreement" at other websites.

There is something else that you can do. Which is to watch the documentary I mentioned. Even though it is a bit of a chore and could that three or four days to do. If you watch a little each day. Write down all of the interesting points that come up and look them up for yourself.
 

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I love that. "If you'd just devote three or four days to looking into this obviously bullshit claim, maybe it wouldn't seem like such bullshit".
 

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I love that. "If you'd just devote three or four days to looking into this obviously bullshit claim, maybe it wouldn't seem like such bullshit".

And to think I devoted sixteen weeks to just one class in German history...I could have been so much better off suffering through an internet documentary!

I'm going to watch this important film, then apply for a teaching position in the history department of the nearest university. After all, I'll be qualified!


They'll have no choice but to accept me...unless they're dirty Jews...
 

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bilby,
Give me time. I am just getting warmed up. As for this thread, nobody has sucessfully refuted me yet. But with some things, it is like debating the reality of human caused global warming with a global warming denier. No answwer you give is good enough. As for what any experts may have to say, they aren't expert enough. If you don't want to believe me, fine. Look this stuff up for yourself. But if your mindset is that 6 million Jews were gassed, I doubt if it will do any good.

You have yet to present anything other than bald assertions, so refutation isn't on the table - that which is asserted without evidence may be dismissed without evidence.

And you haven't answered my questions:

Why is it important to you that we should come around to your view?
What hard evidence can you present that your view is correct - and that the difference between your view and the more commonly held opinion is important or significant?
What difference would it make if you were correct?
What actions would we take, or stop taking, if we accept your assertion that 'only' a quarter million Jews were murdered by the Nazis?
bilby,
I'm not here to jump through hoops for you. But I will be getting around to some of the things you ask by and by. As for evidence for holocaust denial, watch the documentary I mentioned. When interesting points come up, write them down. Then look them up for yourself. I don't get paid anything to present you with absolute proof on a silver platter. I don't care if you believe me or not. If you are comfortable living with lies, then so be it.
 

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So if someone refuted you, you would change your position and decide that everything you learned about WW2 is true?


My only question about all of this, is whether you believe it yourself, or are you just trying to dupe people who don't know any better? Neither is very good for you, but I'm curious.
Bronzeage,
It isn't possible for anybody to refute me. So your question is pointless. As for the rest, watch the documentary I mentioned. Do what the makers of it invite you to do at the end of it. Which is to look up the facts for yourself. Until then, don't bother me with your brainwashed opinions.

Modus Operandi. Accuse everyone else of being brainwashed. Provide little to no evidence. Claiming it's impossible to be refuted is especially telling. A Yahoo answers website and Youtube videos are not evidence. You must go to the sources of that evidence. It must be evaluated using the proper methods. Until then you're just another conspiracy nut who feels good about them self because they're one of the few that "figured it out" and "knows the Truth".

You don't seem to understand what constitutes strong or weak evidence; how to evaluate claims; how to control for bias. Any clown on the Internet can point to a website, a video, documentary, or book. You have to dig deeper than that, you have to source these things. You have to verify. Also, you have to learn what the proper methods are for evaluating and analyzing evidence and why those methods are used. It takes a lot of homework to do this right. To put it bluntly, you haven't put in the effort. To ask me to put in the effort to find the truth is unreasonable. I have NO reason to do so. It takes time and energy to evaluate claims properly. I can't spend that time on just any Alex Jones that comes strolling through our forum. Your claim thus far is that instead of six million Jews being killed in the holocaust there were only several hundred thousand? So what? What would be the motive for for such a conspiracy? What effect would it have on us today if this earth shattering truth was revealed to all? What reason do I have to look into this?

I like my beliefs to track as closely to reality as possible. I want to have as few false beliefs as I can, and as many true ones as I am able. I care about what is true. Yet, time is a precious resource for us all.

Thus far, every time I've run into someone that disputes the holocaust they turn out to be anti-Semitic. Arabs that hate Jews, KKK members that hate Jews, Neo-Nazis and so on. There may be honestly inquiring people that have no racial bias that are actually interested in this subject, but I have not met them. I know this. Most people who aren't racist would be quite uncomfortable having an Adolf Hitler Avatar, yet you seem to do so without a second thought. You also seem to be unable to hide your apologizing for one of the greatest blundering mass murderers of all time. This isn't typical. What is typical is that irrationality, ignorance and racism often going together hand in hand. You proudly flaunt the first two traits so far, even being arrogant enough to pronounce that you cannot be refuted, so you wouldn't even entertain what you would do if you were to turn out to be in error about this claim.

I suggest you look into the Dunning–Kruger effect.

Looking at your profile, you mention you're a White National Socialist. Oh dear, I think I see where your bias lies.
 

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I'm not here to jump through hoops for you. But I will be getting around to some of the things you ask by and by. As for evidence for holocaust denial, watch the documentary I mentioned. When interesting points come up, write them down. Then look them up for yourself. I don't get paid anything to present you with absolute proof on a silver platter. I don't care if you believe me or not. If you are comfortable living with lies, then so be it.

Cults,
What puzzles me about all of this is, in a world full of skeptics, the Holocaust is pretty much an accepted fact, even to the point of video taped testimony of not only survivors of the camps, but also the employees of the camps, mostly people for whom there was no apparent reward for lying.

How is it, you came out smarter than all the people who think the Holocaust is a historical fact?

By your own admission, you were fooled the first time you were told about WW2. We'll assume you were told and were not actually involved. If you were deceived the first time, how are you so sure this version is correct?
 

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Ford,
Just a warning, I especially enjoy smashing the various cults of those who have a status quo supporting "Bo Peep" diploma. What makes it especially satisfying is that I dropped out of high school in my third year with three years of credits to make up for.

Well at least you admit to being uneducated.


I have written many threads at many forums.

I have as well. So have lots of people. Many uneducated people like yourself have latched onto absurd conspiracy theories and clung to them with all their might. Yet number of posts in forums does not an expert make. You're just an uneducated person with time on their hands.

I was only successfully refuted in one of them. It was a rather flippant thread in which I accused the actress Melissa Joan Hart of dating a negro.

If you're trying to impress me, it isn't working.

I have debated hundreds of people. With many hundreds more back and forth debates. Nobody was ever able to sucessfully refute anything I said in any of my other threads.

Links to these debates would be helpful. If things are as you claim, you should be proud to show us all when and where you trounced people with more education than yourself.

I can't wait for you to try too.

Try what? You apparently don't understand how this works. Not surprising for a dropout. You came here and made a pretty big assertion. It is on you to back up that assertion with evidence.

You could find your holocaust affirming cult smashed.

Or as I like to call it, long-established and well-documented historical fact.


The title of your OP is "Everything I Learned About WW II is a lie!" Based upon your posts so far, you have not learned anything about WWII, nor about German history generally, nor about the Holocaust specifically.
Ford,
You don't want evidence. If you did, you would look up the things I suggested. Next, if you want to go there, enter "cultsmasher" into your google browser. Threads that I wrote at a number of forums should come up. Pick one and read the debates. You will find that nobody has sucessfully refuted anything I said in those threads. As for what I learned about WW II concerning the holocaust, it was largely a hoax. But if you want to believe otherwise, that's up to you.
 

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cultsmasher said:
I'm not here to jump through hoops for you. But I will be getting around to some of the things you ask by and by. As for evidence for holocaust denial, watch the documentary I mentioned. When interesting points come up, write them down. Then look them up for yourself. I don't get paid anything to present you with absolute proof on a silver platter. I don't care if you believe me or not. If you are comfortable living with lies, then so be it.

And yet you came here for a reason. If the reason is not to convince people, then it is probably some internal reason. What is it about your psyche that would make you come to a group of people and yell at them, if you have no interest in actually convincing them of anything?
 

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You don't want evidence. If you did, you would look up the things I suggested.

I don't need to look up your threads or watch your movie or spend time reading the bullshit you've bought into because I actually studied these things in a real academic setting. I've done actual research, read more books on this one topic than you probably own altogether, and have been tested by actual experts in the subject.

If you disagree with this assessment, then you are free to step up to the plate and demonstrate the superiority of your knowledge, but be warned, neither I nor (I suspect) most people on this forum will take your credentials of "having spent time watching a movie" as proof of said superiority.


From where I sit, you are (if not an outright troll having a laugh at our expense) an uneducated rube who has a completely unearned ego, no real grasp of how to debate let alone win, and it appears you're a virulent racist to boot.


So unless you're going to provide evidence beyond "just type these words into your browser," I won't do anything more than mock you. If you really want to get into it with me, then as the kids today say..."come at me, bro." I've got a brain, an education, and historical facts on my side.


Your move.
 

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I have the feeling that just about any poster here, history degree or no, could clean this guy's clock if he but had the balls to step into the ring. Small chance of that.
 

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I love that. "If you'd just devote three or four days to looking into this obviously bullshit claim, maybe it wouldn't seem like such bullshit".
You'd think that someone who spent all this time looking up what really happened in WWII could spell Eishenhower correctly.
 

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Well, just for starters, there was this:
(source)

And this:
The Commissar Order (German: Kommissarbefehl) was an order issued by Adolf Hitler on 6 June 1941 before Operation Barbarossa. Its official name was Guidelines for the Treatment of Political Commissars (Richtlinien für die Behandlung politischer Kommissare). It demanded that any Soviet political commissar identified among captured troops be summarily executed as an enforcer of the Communist ideology and the Soviet Communist Party line in military forces.
(source)

These are well documented; the Third Reich was a very modern and well organised bureaucracy, and as a result, orders were widely copied and distributed. Many copies still exist.

bilby,
Orders to execute enemy soldiers under certain conditions is far from rare in warfare.
True; but that doesn't alter the facts - you asked " What makes you think Hitler caused anybody to be executed", and I have provided evidence that Hitler did, indeed, cause people to be executed.

That's how debate works - you show evidence supporting the asserions you make; and you show evidence refuting the assertions made by your opponent.

If you simply assert without evidence; or you ignore refutations as though they never happened; or you engage in logical fallacies, then you have lost the debate - whether or not you admit this to yourself or others.
Next, as far as executing Russians, the more of those barbaric brainwashed animals were killed, the better.
This is another unsupported claim - you have not shown that it is good that Russians were killed, nor that they were barbaric, brainwashed or animals. You need to provide evidence, or your assertions are worthless.
Next, do you remember my saying that the victors write history?
Yes.
Not to say what you mentioned was fake.
Then don't mention it. :confused2:
But do you suppose the victors might include forgery to see that theur version of history prevails?
Anything 'might' happen. You need to provide evidence - otherwise your implications are valueless. Do you have evidence that the victors in WWII forged the evidence for the Kommandobefehl or the Kommissarbefehl? If so, then present it. Innuendo is not evidence. Hints are not evidence. Possibility is not evidence.
Also, after the war the U.S. dumped huge amounts of money into European countries that it controlled under the Marshall plan. Who in their right mind that would like part of that money or be grateful for benifiting from any part of it say anything aginst the American version of things.
If all of the people who claim that the holocaust took place were beneficiaries of the US Marshall Plan, then they might have a motive for bias. But that is far from being the case - and even if it was, it takes more than money to keep most people quiet. The Marshall Plan is long gone. Like all conspiracy theories, yours relies on the idea that huge numbers of people with little or no motive to lie, and with a huge incentive to reveal the truth, choose to remain silent.

Human nature is just not like that.
bilby,
When I speask of executions, I of course am referring to the victims of the holocaust. You want evidence? Look up "The Haavara Agreement." Tell me what kind of "final solution" that is. Hell, Hitler had a lot to do with there being a modern state of Israel. Next, I never had anything in my thread refuted. All I hear is that my "evidence" isn't good enough. I'm not working on a doctoral theisis or writing things ment for a textbook. All I am doing it stlling people things.

For example, I say that there was no lampshade made out of Jewish skin. If you don't believe it, look it up. I say that the Russians were barbaric animals. If the Iron Curtan or Gulags isn't proof enough for you, look it up. Next, look at murdering German ex-soldiers and the Marshall plan. The carrot and stick method is pretty effective. It also give people who might think of speaking the truth an indication of which way the wind is blowing. On top of that, it is outright illegal in many countries to deny the holocaust. If the holocaust was real, you wouldn't need any laws to protect the story.
 

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Keith&Co,
Copies of my post? What in the hell are you takling about.
I am takling about putting the phrase you suggested into google and all that came up were fifteen posts that parroted the OP you posted. Nothing about an actual document just your posting.
I found them long before I ever mentioned them anywhere.
Maybe so, maybe no. But your posted suggestion only returns fairly close copies of the OP.
Admittedly, I don't read or speak German.
Neither do I.
You did not mention that we needed to put a German phrase into the search engine.
I had to take the word of the people who posted the documents
Ah. So, either everything you know about WWII is a lie, or everything you know about these documents you cannot read is a lie.

Good to know.
who say that they show the "concentration camp" deaths of Jews to only have been about 271,000.
Okay. Now, is that the total death of all Jews in that document you haven't actually read, or is it possibly only the German Citizens who died in the camps, or maybe the Jews killed over a certain period of time?
Who can say?




Evidently, not you.......




Not 6 million. Next, is the population of Paraguay or Bosie 271,000?
No, the population of Paraguay is about 6 million. Boise is close to 217,000.
Am I missing something?
Whoo dang, yes.
Your entire point is missing.
Keith&Co,
When I entered what I suggested into my browser, in among the various websites that came up, I was able to find the actual Red Cross documents. As to why you weren't able to, I have no explanation. Maybe you could try entering, "Old Red Cross documents that say that only 271,000 Jews died in concentration camps." Next, I never said that you had to enter anything in German. The Red Cross documents just happen to be in German. I could read the numbers. But as far as what they actually said, I had to take other people's word for it.

Next, who are you to say that the old Red Cross documents are fake or saying something else. Though in the documentary I mentioned, strangely enough, they don't mention those documents. But I can tell you one of the many things they SHOW you. Between about 1915-1938, they show several articles that appeared in various newspapers. They talk about something bad happening to 6 million Jews. Isn't it interesting that it is also the number that they claim died in the holocaust? Next, Paraguay, Bosie. If you are trying to make a point, try to be a little more clear about it.

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I accused the actress Melissa Joan Hart of dating a negro.
I find 'accused' and 'negro' terribly telling words in that sentence.

Why is interracial dating an 'accusation?'
What's the point of 'accusing' a white woman of dating a 'Negro?'
Keith&Co,
When I figure I'm about ready to get banned, I will answer your questions.
 

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Denying the Holocaust is, to my mind, as obscene as advocating sex with minors.
Why is this thread still in existence? Freedom of speech? Does nobody among the Admins here know the difference between freedom and licence" As in "Licence, they mean when Freedom they cry" ?
Denial of the Holocaust is a crime in Germany. Are you going to allow the neonazis to have a stage for their obscenity here?

NB. I AM REPORTING MY OWN POST FOR THE ADMINS CONSIDERATION AND ACTION.
I refuse to read or take part in this obscene pantomime.
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If you don't like what I have to say, don't read it. But you should. You will learn something.
 

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bilby,
When I speask of executions, I of course am referring to the victims of the holocaust. You want evidence? Look up "The Haavara Agreement." Tell me what kind of "final solution" that is. Hell, Hitler had a lot to do with there being a modern state of Israel. Next, I never had anything in my thread refuted. All I hear is that my "evidence" isn't good enough. I'm not working on a doctoral theisis or writing things ment for a textbook. All I am doing it stlling people things.
You don't seem to have an understanding of timelines. The Haavara Agreement was 1933, six years before the war started and nine years before "Final Solution" was put into serious effect. Hitler was trying to empty Europe of Jews well before the war started. Before the war and only dealing with German Jews, he tried sending them to the Middle East. After 1939 and the invasion of Poland, the NAZIs suddenly had millions more Jews they had to figure out what o do with. Germany overrunning Holland, France, incursion into the USSR, etc. added more millions of Jews for the NAZIs to try to eliminate from Europe.

Your problem, since you believe they weren't killed, is to a explain how millions that were accounted for by name in the census in 1939, were not available to reclaim their property and businesses or to be counted in the census after 1945.
 

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So, you're doomed to have a false history? That doesn't sound like a particularly bad doom.

You could have been doomed to an office job without a future or something.
Tom Sawyer,
You have no idea the evil ends such lies have led to. Byt there was a girl in San Francisco who recently learned. It was taught to her with a gun by an overpopulating illegal invader scab scum named Sanchez.

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Everybody lies.

There are lots of reasons.
bilby,
Some lies just lead to worse ends than others.
 

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I like the way that the 1940s U.S. Government lied about the Holocaust in order to promote a multiethnic society.
Tom Sawyer,
They were doing that before we got the statue of liberty. Which I might add that we got only because the Egyptians didn't want the pile of filth hanging around the Suez Canal. Also, remember what some Jew broad wrote on it? "Give us your tired, your poor, etc" There probably weren't many Jews in the U.S. at the time. That Jew bitch was being pretty inviting to a country that didn't have many Jews in it. Also, I wonder if they tried to sell that shit overseas. Could anybody have really thought that they were going to be able to emigrate here and take their ease?
 

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Everything you learned about WWII was a lie? There was no war with Japan? Who did not kill millions of Chinese.And,my uncle was not wounded by a German mine in France ?My father did not help supply the Army and Marines in the South Pacific while in the US Coast Guard?

Hasta la vista,dude!
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I was mainly speaking of the holocaust. War did happen. We just shouldn't have been involved in it.
 

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As I jam on to the sounds of Rammstein’s Reise Reise in the background...I am bemused by the spectacle before me. Keith, the estimated population of Boise is now only roughly 214k (so go suck my S&M ORGASMic head :D ) not 217k.

The wild wild web is a funny beast, looking at some boasting from just six months ago, it seems that even a HS dropout can master cut-n-paste:
http://vnnforum.com/showthread.php?t=230878
A couple people came close, but no cigar. The only time I was wrong was when I accused the actress Melissa Joan Hart of dating a negro.
Who the fuck says ‘negro’ anymore’? Are thou sucking in a King James Time Warp? It’s just a jump to the left…

And WTF is “white patriotism”, coming from a guy that is about as WASP as one gets, as my mommy traced my bloodline back to 10-15 families of the Mayflower interfamily sexcapades…oh shit what is that very quiet noise….good Zeus it is the black helo dudes about to take me off to the FEMA MallWart camps…bye world…………………………………….
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Using the word "negro" was all it took for me to get banned from one forum. What do you think would have happened if I used the word I would have preferred to use. You can probably guess what that was.
 

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Everything you learned about WWII was a lie? There was no war with Japan? Who did not kill millions of Chinese.And,my uncle was not wounded by a German mine in France ?My father did not help supply the Army and Marines in the South Pacific while in the US Coast Guard?

Hasta la vista,dude!
bluebird,
I was mainly speaking of the holocaust. War did happen. We just shouldn't have been involved in it.
Dude, Japan bombed Pearl Harbor sinking most of our Pacific fleet and Germany declared war meaning that they would be sinking our coastal shipping or even landing troops if they could and we didn't resist.
 

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Bodies tell tales. And the killer tell tales. Something of that magnitude could not be hidden. Which is why the informed world knows that the Nazis killed an estimated 11 million "undesirables" of which around 6 million were Jews.
I have something else that is incredible for you to look up. In your browser, search engine or whatever. It's called, "The Betrayal of the Cossacks." Then tell me more about your "greatest generation."
This response is more than 3 credits shy of a relevant response to anything in this thread. I have made no claims about the "greatest generation". We are discussing your ridiculous and undocumented claim that less than 300,000 Jews were killed by the Nazis.
laughingdog,
It is known that there were no gas chambers at Auschwitz or Buchenwald. So what does that have to say about the Jews who were supposedly gassed there. And if Jews weren't gassed there, it is highly unlikely that they were gassed anywhere. As for bodies telling tales, I have never hears of an autopsy that was done on any body that showed they were killed by gas. As for the "killers," the Allies tortured confessions out of the ones that they let live.

Next, I believe I brought up typing into your browser, "Esienhower's Holocaust." Just to show that the idea wasn't that far fetched, I brought up the brutality in, "The betrayal of the Cossacks." Next, I know you never made any reference to "the greatest generation." But if you support the U.S. involvement in WW II, there's a good chance that is how you view them.
 

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As you can see, the U.S. has many reasons to promote the idea of there having been a holocaust.


You might want to take this up with Germany. You may have heard of this country. It is the one that actually perpetrated the incident in question. It may have escaped your notice, but they are pretty well convinced that they did in fact round up millions of Jews, herd them into camps, and systematically murder them.


If there was one country on the planet that had a motivation for some Holocaust denying, it would be Germany.


But if you ask them, they'll say "yeah, totally fucking did that."
Ford,
Maybe it being against the law in Germany to question the holocaust has something to do with what you say. That is, to the degree that it may be true.
 

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'Debate' in that sentence is as ludicrous as 'accused' is in the other one you posted.
Why Would Somebody Lie By Saying The Holocaust Happened.

2. Jews control the movie industry. They may have even have had a lot of influence in raido broadcasting. This gave them a huge "soapbox" to stand on and spew their lies. And once lies are established, they are hard to go back on.
Hey, cultist, this is kind of a way that the Jews might have spread their lies.
It's not really a reason WHY they might have lied.
8. If the holocaust was ever disproven, Jews might again be persecuted.
Ah. Because after WWII there were no restricted clubs.
You need to revamp your posts, cultie.

Try having a point and sticking to it.
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First, I write what I like. If you don't like it, don't read it. Next, the reason that the Jews control the movie industry is part of the reason WHY they would have told the lies they did. Restricted clubs doesn't have anything to do with anything. The point is that if the holocaust was even shown to be a hoax, it might cause some people to want to restrict their breathing. Or living in the U.S.
 

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You might want to take this up with Germany. You may have heard of this country. It is the one that actually perpetrated the incident in question. It may have escaped your notice, but they are pretty well convinced that they did in fact round up millions of Jews, herd them into camps, and systematically murder them.


If there was one country on the planet that had a motivation for some Holocaust denying, it would be Germany.


But if you ask them, they'll say "yeah, totally fucking did that."
Ford,
Maybe it being against the law in Germany to question the holocaust has something to do with what you say. That is, to the degree that it may be true.

For 40 years it was perfectly legal to question the Holocaust in Germany. Well, West Germany at least. The law was put in place to combat the denial movement (similar to but more odious than a bowel movement) which really took off in the late 1970s.

But you didn't know that, either.
 

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5. The U.S. might lessen it's funding of Israel. A country that it already gave nuclear weapons to.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Israel steal nuclear technology from us?
credoconsolans,
That may be the kind of shit the U.S. tells Iran to keep them from getting nuclear weapons. But everybody knows we gave them the weapons. In 1960, there was a "theft" of highly enriched uranium that was used to help fule Israel's nuclear weapons program. Since then, another 6 tons has "gone missing." "Gone missing" my ass.
 

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Just read your OP. Since there were no references included beyond type 'these keywords of my choice' I don't feel it is worth repeating.

Then, because I as a person who actually lived over a portion of Hitler's life, married one who lived her early life under German occupation in Italy, and had several uncles and cousins with whom I have had contact with who actually were there before, during, and after the Hitler era after I got past my shock of your bald claim checked to see whether you have any memory of those times.

Whoa. You don't even list your age. I have to presume you are probably even younger than my youngest son who died four years ago. IOW you are probably barely twenty. Thank you for posting your politics though.

All that said I feel compelled to test you a bit. So, as a researcher, I posted a heavily referenced early history of the Hitler era by William L Shirer, entitled "The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich", published in 1960 (http://www.cristoraul.com/ENGLISH/r...tory/Shirer-TheRiseAndFallOfTheThirdReich.pdf ). I read it right after it was published, a very thorough 1100 page read. If you are interested enough you can get an unabridged version complete with full references and notes that is about 1300 pages although many of Shirer's references can be gleaned right from the body of the book. It was a good read during anti-gay times and it is a good read now even though many politically incorrect comments and aspersion are made by the author. He subscribed to the idea that Hitler was a unique event without precedent. We all know now that Hitler sorts of things are an ongoing human problem. So, you see I'm pretty primed.

However I am supposed to be a scholar so I include a review of Shirer's book by a preeminent political historian G D Rosenfeld "The Reception of William L Shirer's the Rise and Fall of the Third Reich in the United States and West Germany, 1960-1962", published in 1994. http://www.history.ucsb.edu/faculty/marcuse/classes/201/articles/94RosenfeldShirerJCH.pdf

After you get through that preliminary stuff, read the story of the Warsaw Ghetto, "Mila 18", by Leon Uris another pretty through research kind of guy.

I was Born before the US entered WWII, Nuremberg, and German reconstruction, I then went to University where I ran afoul of a partisan holocaust denier who treated us to a bunch of tracts which contained few references and lots of flame throwing assertions. So there we have a history of sorts.

I suspect you will try to discount me as much as possible, possbily even ignore me. Just keep in mind your beliefs can only take you so far. After a while you'l need to have some knowledge and skills which usually require you come into contact with something other than like minded people. That's when you'll find you are not well served by being a just hater because you are mad.

I actually don't feel much sympathy for you because you don't care and you aren't interested. All you want to do is throw stuff.

Just in case you are not one of those I've given you some powerful reading and mind blowing stuff for you to wrap your still young mind around.

If you ever get the feeling someone is messing with you on these threads you are. Some of us enjoy poking helpless things, I don't happen to be one, but, I can see from the stuff you are bleating you're being played.
 

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Surprise factor zero. Holocaust deniers are generally people who want to see it continued.

However, you have the reasoning wrong here--it's not guilt, but rather that they realize how society views genocide and the history of the holocaust shows what can happen when they get their way.

Also, most people don't want to admit to being for genocide.

Why Would Somebody Lie By Saying The Holocaust Happened.

1. in 1933, a newspaper headline appeared that said, "Judea Declares War On Germany." As I quoted before, "In war, truth is the first casualty."

Judea wasn't a nation at that time, it couldn't declare war on Germany or anybody else.

2. Jews control the movie industry. They may have even have had a lot of influence in raido broadcasting. This gave them a huge "soapbox" to stand on and spew their lies. And once lies are established, they are hard to go back on.

Control the movie industry? I would think the movie industry would be more positive towards them if that were the case.

I haven't paid attention to radio in a long time, the current world press is certainly anti-Jewish. (Although in most cases I think this is simply an example of news organizations slanting the news in the direction the majority of their listeners want--and there are nearly 100x as many Muslims as Jews in the world.)

3. To take revenge on the Germans for having dared to deport the "chosen of GOD!!!"

Huh?

4. Jews received reparations for the whole "holocaust" thing. As far as I know, they're still being made. If the holocaust was ever shown to be a fraud, those payments would dry up. They might even have to pay back money that was paid.

Reparations?? No, what they have received is a return of stolen property. You can't return stolen property without it first being stolen.

5. The U.S. might lessen it's funding of Israel. A country that it already gave nuclear weapons to.

The holocaust was around long before there was any funding of Israel.

8. If the holocaust was ever disproven, Jews might again be persecuted.

And they aren't persecuted now??

9. National Socialism was economically sucessful. Capitalisn wasn't and isn't. To support "The American Way," it would be very helpful to discredit national socialism in any way possible.

The Holocaust was about Hitler, not National Socialism.

10. Stalin was the real monster. In the early 30's, he caused up to 10 million Ukrainians to starve to death. He didn't even need "death camps" to do it. Not to mention his many other atrocities. The holocaust and other things could be supported so that the U.S. doesn't look so bad for having supported Stalin.

If we even did support him (I'm not addressing this one way or the other) it's moot as people certainly don't realize it.

12. German National Socialism wasn't into the whole multiethnic society thing. But that was and increasingly is being shoved down American's throats. So for the U.S. to promote its multiethnic society, they had to discredit the German White Patriot National Socialist system. Etc.

Once again, you have your timelines messed up.

As you can see, the U.S. has many reasons to promote the idea of there having been a holocaust. It also has many reasons to go to whatever lengths are necessary to see that it is believed. What is that compared to the few people who seek out the truth for the truth's sake. But I support the truth. Because those who believe in a false history are doomed to suffer the same fate themselves.

Truth? Your words read like a fanatic. Fanatics don't search for the truth, they search for things that confirm what they have already decided is true.
Loren Pechtl,
I will reply to what is worth commenting on. Judea was a people at the time. Not a nation. It is like if Catholics declared war on somebody. There is no Catholic nation. Next, the movie industry is nothing but positive toward the Jewish people. But toward White people, the opposite is true. Just for one example out of zillions, ever see the movie "Pleasantville?" Aparently without the non-white influnce, White people would be living in a drab, repressed and colorless world. Again I say that even if the 6 million number were true, it wasn't nearly enough.

Though I'm no expert, Israel does receive reparations for the holocaust. Do you know what Japan pays for those who suffered at their hands? Nothing! Next, I never said that the U.S. funded Israel before there was an Israel. But there is an Israel now. And the U.S. sure as hell funds them. Next, Jews aren't persecuted in the U.S. As for muslim countries or whatever, that would be a different matter. Next, the U.S. was supporting a multiethnic society before we even received the statue of liberty. Why? Because capitalists like slaves and wage slaves. Next, your insults mean nothing to me. If you ever manage to find something I wrote that isn't true, be sure to tell me about it.
 

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This is not fanaticism, it's a psychosis, similar to any other inability to comprehend reality.
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You talk the talk. But do you walk the walk? Tell me anything I said that is untrue. We'll see who suffers from psychosis.
 

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People don't have to be deliberately lying to spread messages that aren't true.

Look at every religion throughout history. Almost all of them have contradictory messages so we know that at least a majority of them are spreading messages that aren't true. But are they lying? No. They are simply wrong. Believers were told a message and then didn't spend the time necessary to verify it. Perhaps because they were lazy or gullible or forced to, or because it was part of their culture, or part of their peer group.

Lots of people are wrong for countless reasons.

It only takes one liar with one twisted motive to spread a false message that attracts millions of believers.

Cultsmasher. Have you really done the research necessary to verify that your message isn't wrong? Can you explain and provide the evidence you collected in support of and against the attrocities the Nazis are accused of?
zorq,
All I have to do is to look at the world around me to see what is true or not. But as for the holocaust, I did look some things up. Like "camp money" people in Jewish internment camps were given to buy things instead of waiting for their turn in the gas chamber. I also looked up and found out that there was never any lampshade made out of Jew skin. I also looked up "The Haavara Agreement." Hitler was basically responsible for the state of Israel eventually being formed. Etc. etc. etc. So no. I'm not just pulling a lot of shit out of thin air. Or simply just buying into a crackpot conspiracy theory.
 

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It is known that there were no gas chambers at Auschwitz or Buchenwald.
That is not known. There were gas chambers at Auschwitz but not at Buchenwald.
So what does that have to say about the Jews who were supposedly gassed there. And if Jews weren't gassed there, it is highly unlikely that they were gassed anywhere. As for bodies telling tales, I have never hears of an autopsy that was done on any body that showed they were killed by gas. As for the "killers," the Allies tortured confessions out of the ones that they let live.
1000s of bodies were found in the extermination camps. There were plenty of witnesses as to the atrocities performed in the extermination and concentration camps.
Next, I believe I brought up typing into your browser, "Esienhower's Holocaust." Just to show that the idea wasn't that far fetched, I brought up the brutality in, "The betrayal of the Cossacks." Next, I know you never made any reference to "the greatest generation." But if you support the U.S. involvement in WW II, there's a good chance that is how you view them.
The US entered WWII because it was attacked. Since WWII occurred before I was born, my support or lack thereof is irrelevant. But ,yes, I think it was a good for the world for the US to enter WWII and to help defeat the Axis allies.
 

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Loren Pechtel,
You couldn't be more wrong if you tried. Have you ever seen any of those TV shows they have on about the Nazis or the holocaust? I know that it is absolutely incredible that such things should be shown in "The Land of the Free and the Home of the Brave." But it is all lying propaganda horseshit! They are lying right to your FACE! With apparent pride I might add. It's utterly disgusting!

It's only because this is the land of the free that people are permitted to speak falsehoods like this.

Take the lampshade made out of Jewish skin. It was PROVEN to be bullshit on a couple of occasions long ago. Also, in the documentary they have a Jew who investigated the holocaust. They SHOW him talkibng to a person at Auschwitz who ran the holocaust memorial museum there. That person TOLD him that the gas chamber there was made to look like a gas chamber after the war by the Russians. Etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc.

So, someone claimed it was human skin. That doesn't constitute proof.

This all brings up quite a paradox. I bet you feel pretty normal. But you are utterly brainwashed and delusional. So how can you be that way and still feel "normal." Need more proof? Go to your google browser and type in, "How many Jews were deported under The Haavara Agreement." A couple websites down, you will find that question basically asked. It is hosted by "Yahoo, answers." In it, they have what they call, "The Best Answer." The person who wrote it said that 60 to 70% of German Jews were deported to Palestine. Clearly, Hitler's goal was to deport Jews. Not exterminate them. How many of those propaganda TV shows have you seen that even mentioned the haavara agreement.

Sorry, my parents were both psychologists (teaching and limited practice)--it's going to be pretty hard to brainwash me without my recognizing what's up. I've been exposed to actual brainwashing once, I watched just about everyone around me fall for it hook, line and sinker but it was totally obvious to me what was going on. I later met one other who also saw through it--they likewise came from a background of a close relative who was a psychologist.

As for that question--it seriously fails to hit the mark. From what I'm seeing the answer is at least in the ballpark but so what? There were 500k Jews in Germany before it all started, if 2/3 of them got out before the genocide that says nothing about the 5M+ outside Germany who didn't flee in time.
Loren Pechtel,
Apparently you have fallen victim to brainwashing. Because you believe the holocaust is real. Next, if Hitler wasn't interested in exterminating Jews inside Germany, what makes you think he was interested in exterminating them outside of Germany. Not to say that he didn't likely have many killed. But that clearly was never his aim. And if war hadn't happened with the West, those who were killed would have probably been deported instead.
 

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What I find particularly ironic about such conspiracy theorists is that, although they believe we have all been lied to, they accept without question any statement contradicting the official record. Don't they even think to question the source of their new information, if that source itself may be a conspiracy with ulterior motives?

Same thing with Christians. I point out several history books and records which dispute the Bible, they ask, without the slightest hint of irony, "Did you ever think whoever wrote those history books was trying to manipulate you with their agenda?"

When I turn the question back on them, with the exact same wording except that it's the bible, they become indignant. The writers of the bible couldn't possibly have had any motive other than telling the truth about the One True God tm.

Can't do anything with such people. The 9/11 conspiracy theories about the Twin Towers or the WTc 7/9 or whatever being a controlled demolition can be done away with with one reference - "go to a demolition company website and look at all the carefully planned, delicately balanced work they have to do to weaken a building before they can demolish it. Some of it includes gutting the building and partially cutting through support pillars..."

I post this every single time a "It's obvious 9/11 was a controlled demolition of WTC and was an inside job" conspiracy theory discussion begins.

EVERY SINGLE CONSPIRACY NUT avoids my post, never addresses it and goes on to rant for 27 more pages about smoke, and explosions survivors heard, men in black seen, etc. etc.

They're just going to ignore facts.
 

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Keith&Co,
Copies of my post? What in the hell are you takling about. I found them long before I ever mentioned them anywhere. Admittedly, I don't read or speak German. I had to take the word of the people who posted the documents who say that they show the "concentration camp" deaths of Jews to only have been about 271,000. Not 6 million. Next, is the population of Paraguay or Bosie 271,000? Am I missing something?

Does it occur to you that we aren't sheep? We actually are prone to checking claims. You gave us a specific phrase to type into Google--and everything that comes up is your post or variations on it. No actual red cross documents. Removing the quotes produces a greater variety of variations on it but no documents down to the point that the hits were obviously spurious.

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Eyewitness testimony is the lowest rank of evidence.

And it's even lower rank when you can't be sure that your "eyewitness" really is a witness at all. It's easy enough for a crackpot to trot out a fake witness for a documentary.

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As an aside, I have met some survivors of those camps and liberators of those camps. I seriously doubt they are the liars or fakers you are implicitly claiming.

ETA: this site (http://www.nationalww2museum.org/lea...holocaust.html) has the estimated lower and upper bounds of Jews killed by the Nazis by nationality. In addition, another 5 million non-Jews (homosexuals, Roma, political prisoners, Communists and other "undesirables") died in concentration and extermination camps.

Yeah, thinking about it my mother's college roommate also knew some survivors. It's way too late to ask her for details, though.

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I don't know anything about Dutch Jews. Where they might have gone or where they might have ended up. But if Hitler didn't exterminate most of the German Jews, I doubt if he did the so with the Dutch Jews. There is only one thing I do know. That whatever you may have learned about WW II is a lie. For example, there is what I was telling somebody else around here. Between 1915 and 1939, there were several articles that appeared in various newspapers. They talked about something bad happening to 6 million Jews. I guess if a lie works, stick with it.

In the documentary I mentioned, they talked about a couple people who did tests for traces of Zyklon B in the gas chambers of Auschwitz. None was found. But in rooms that were known to have used Zyklon B to disinfect clothing, the readings went right off the chart. Another "death camp" where gas was never used was Buchenwald. If gas wan't used to kill Jews in those places, it is highly unlikely that it was used anywhere to exterminate hordes of Jews.

And you consider yourself qualified to argue this issue???

The vast majority of Jews that Hitler killed weren't German in the first place! If you don't know what happened to non-German Jews you certainly don't know he didn't kill 6M Jews.
Loren Pechtel,
I don't know why you couldn't find the old Red Cross documents. I could. Try typing into your browser, "Old Red Cross documents that say only 271,000 Jews died in concentration camps." Somewhere on the first page, there should be a website that shows them. Though they are in German. Which I don't read or speak. Though I can see the numbers. I have to take their word for it that they are saying that is how many Jews died.

Next, in the documentary they show a couple people who were supposedly IN concentration camps saying that conditions in them weren't as bad as they are generally believed to have been. Maybe they were actors. Maybe the swimming pools they showed pictures od in some internment camps were fake. Maybe the pictures of "camp money" Jews were given to buy things with were fake. Maybe it is all bullshit. The best I can do is weigh the evidence through logic and decide what is true and isn't. That has led me to the conclusion that the holocaust was largely a fraud.

Next, there is one thing I an more than qualified to say. Though I will be banned for writing the threads in support of it. Which is that even if 6 million Jews were killed, it wasn't nearly enough.
 

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Keith&Co,
When I entered what I suggested into my browser, in among the various websites that came up, I was able to find the actual Red Cross documents. As to why you weren't able to, I have no explanation. Maybe you could try entering, "Old Red Cross documents that say that only 271,000 Jews died iconcentration camps."
Actually, i'm kinda wondering wwhy you don't just offer a link....
\Next, I never said that you had to enter anything in German. The Red Cross documents just happen to be in German. I could read the numbers. But as far as what they actually said, I had to take other people's word for it.
that's kind of odd for someone who said "I didn't accept much without question."
Next, who are you to say that the old Red Cross documents are fake or saying something else.
Evidently you didn't learn to read too well before you stopped paying attention in class and finally dropped out.
I haven't said that they are fake or saying something else.
I asked how you assured yourself that they weren't fake or saying something that you couldn't actually understand.
The answer appears to be: Because that's what someone told you.

But "I didn't accept much without question," you say. That seems hard to b
Though in the documentary I mentioned,
You know, i never went to college. I completed High School and joined the service. But even i know that 'i saw it on TV' is pretty close to the poorest excuse for evidence of any position.
Between about 1915-1938, they show several articles that appeared in various newspapers. They talk about something bad happening to 6 million Jews.
Do you have ANY idea when WWII occurred?
Isn't it interesting that it is also the number that they claim died in the holocaust?
No, not really.
Next, Paraguay, Bosie. If you are trying to make a point, try to be a little more clear about it.
I can see that.
But it doesn't seem to be worth the effort, here.
I accused the actress Melissa Joan Hart of dating a negro.
I find 'accused' and 'negro' terribly telling words in that sentence.

Why is interracial dating an 'accusation?'
What's the point of 'accusing' a white woman of dating a 'Negro?'
Keith&Co,
When I figure I'm about ready to get banned, I will answer your questions.
Hey, dude, whatever. You brought it up as part of your bragging, if you don't want to actually explain what the fuck you're on about, then you can just piss off if that's what you came here to do.

After all the wishing of death for Jews and Slavs, you probably can't do your reputation much more harm by explaining further bigotry on your part, though.
 

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Here, go smash yourself. You're a cult--the Holocaust Denial cult.
Loren Pitchell,
Did you even read my thread? The reasons for holocaust belief are far beyond the reasons for holocaust denial. Far far beyond. So if there is anything cultish going on, it far more likely to be going on with those who believe the holocaust is real.
 

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'Debate' in that sentence is as ludicrous as 'accused' is in the other one you posted. Hey, cultist, this is kind of a way that the Jews might have spread their lies.
It's not really a reason WHY they might have lied.
8. If the holocaust was ever disproven, Jews might again be persecuted.
Ah. Because after WWII there were no restricted clubs.
You need to revamp your posts, cultie.

Try having a point and sticking to it.
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First, I write what I like. If you don't like it, don't read it.
Yes, yes. I defended your first amendment rights for 20 years, 3 months and 3 days.
But, really, if the BEST you can say about your post is that it's not illegal for you to post it, that's kind of defeatist, isn't it?
Next, the reason that the Jews control the movie industry is part of the reason WHY they would have told the lies they did.
Um... No, that's not a why. At least, in your post, you didn't connect their control of the movie industry NOW to why European Jews lied about the Holocaust THEN.
I guess 'why' is too big a word for a drop-out to actually ma
Restricted clubs doesn't have anything to do with anything.
Incorrect. They're direct evidence that the whining about the Holocaust did not stop the persecution of the Jews in America.
It's direct evidence that your justifications are bullshit.

You've been refuted, but appear to be too dumb to understand how.
 

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1) Commandos in uniform should be treated as prisoners of war.

2) You made the claim that Hitler didn't cause anyone to be executed. He just presented two orders from Hitler that no doubt resulted in executions.

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I accused the actress Melissa Joan Hart of dating a negro.
I find 'accused' and 'negro' terribly telling words in that sentence.

Why is interracial dating an 'accusation?'
What's the point of 'accusing' a white woman of dating a 'Negro?'

We are obviously dealing with a Stormfront type.

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Denying the Holocaust is, to my mind, as obscene as advocating sex with minors.
Why is this thread still in existence? Freedom of speech? Does nobody among the Admins here know the difference between freedom and licence" As in "Licence, they mean when Freedom they cry" ?
Denial of the Holocaust is a crime in Germany. Are you going to allow the neonazis to have a stage for their obscenity here?

NB. I AM REPORTING MY OWN POST FOR THE ADMINS CONSIDERATION AND ACTION.
I refuse to read or take part in this obscene pantomime.

I see no reason this thread shouldn't exist, although I do think a move to Pseudoscience is in order.
Loren pechtel,
Round and round it goes. Where it stops, nobody knows! When I spoke of Hitler not executing people, I was referring to all the Jews who were supposedly executed in gas chambers. As to soldiers in uniform being executed, sometimes a warfare situation can be so desperate that such niceties aren't observed. Neither did I question the validity of the orders that were shown.

Next, having been banned from about everyplace else, I was also banned from stormfront and vanguard news network forum. Nobody likes the truth. Next, thank you for having some support for the concept of freedom of speech. Even if most find that speech disagreeable. As to the validity of what I write about, I am more than willing to debate the issue. But most forums won't allow me to do so. Probably because nobody can defeat me in debate. The best they can do is insult me or say my evidence isn't good enough.
 

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Round and round it goes. Where it stops, nobody knows! When I spoke of Hitler not executing people, I was referring to all the Jews who were supposedly executed in gas chambers.
Which is why words have meaning.
You'd think that someone who could never be refuted, and who has been victorious in hundreds of online debates could, by now, express himself clearly the first time without having to back and fill so much.
I mean, this method of explaining what you had meant at the time is indistinguishable from you just talking stupid shit, then making up more shit later when you get caught in an error you refuse to admit to.

Probably because nobody can defeat me in debate.
See, there, 'debate' is a word with specific meaning. What you're doing isn't debate. So it's no wonder that no one can defeat you at something you don't attempt.
No one can defeat ME in jousting from the back of swamp-dragon. I'm quite comfortable making that claim.

I'm just not dumb enough to make it part of an attempt on my part to sway the opinions of others.
 

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People don't have to be deliberately lying to spread messages that aren't true.

Look at every religion throughout history. Almost all of them have contradictory messages so we know that at least a majority of them are spreading messages that aren't true. But are they lying? No. They are simply wrong. Believers were told a message and then didn't spend the time necessary to verify it. Perhaps because they were lazy or gullible or forced to, or because it was part of their culture, or part of their peer group.

Lots of people are wrong for countless reasons.

It only takes one liar with one twisted motive to spread a false message that attracts millions of believers.

Cultsmasher. Have you really done the research necessary to verify that your message isn't wrong? Can you explain and provide the evidence you collected in support of and against the attrocities the Nazis are accused of?
zorq,
All I have to do is to look at the world around me to see what is true or not. But as for the holocaust, I did look some things up. Like "camp money" people in Jewish internment camps were given to buy things instead of waiting for their turn in the gas chamber. I also looked up and found out that there was never any lampshade made out of Jew skin. I also looked up "The Haavara Agreement." Hitler was basically responsible for the state of Israel eventually being formed. Etc. etc. etc. So no. I'm not just pulling a lot of shit out of thin air. Or simply just buying into a crackpot conspiracy theory.

I asked you what evidence you have collected both in support and against the attrocities the NAZIs are accused of. RIGHT HERE you are telling me is that you have only read holocaust denier documents including some weird ones about lampshade legends that I have never heard of before. AND you have never studied any mainstream documents detailing the crimes NAZIs are accused of.

The others on this thread are right. You knew nothing about WWII before you watched that one documentary. You are completely ignorant of the history of WWII. There is no reason for any of us to trust ANYTHING you are saying.

You don't know if you are wrong or not becuase you remain ignorant. YOU HAVE JUST ADMITTED IT.
 

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skepticalbip,
I didn't accept much without question. Some of the things I looked up for myself. In the documentary I mentioned, they SHOW you examples of "camp money." Why do that for people who you just plan to exterminate as quickly as they can be brought in. In the documentary they SHOW people who were actually IN "concentration camps." They TELL you that conditions in the camps weren't as bad as they are generally made out to be.

They also SHOW a Jewish investigator question the person who RAN the Auschwitz holocaust memorial museum at the camp. That person TOLD him that their gas chamber was made to look like a gas chamber by the Russians AFTER the war. Etc. etc. etc. etc. I can't say for sure if these things are true. Because I didn't personally question these people or go to see for myself. But considering the other things I did find out on my own, I think it is likely they were telling the truth.
Yes, I understand that you believe what you are saying. That is a big part of the problem with your "research". You are obviously using google for the "research" and are looking for information that confirms your belief. That is a piss poor way to learn anything and it isn't research. I can find innumerable bits "information" on the internet to confirm almost any idiotic belief I may have. Using "information" found on the internet I can "prove" that the moon landings were hoaxed, GWB planned and was involved in the 9/11 destruction of the World Trade Center, Roosevelt conspired with the Japanese to bomb Pearl Harbor, Eisenhower made a deal with extra-terrestrials to allow them to abduct Americans for experimentation in exchange for their technology, "Big Oil" bought up the patent rights for a 1000 MPG carburetor and hid it from the public, etc. etc.

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I notice that your response did not address my post... except maybe to confirm it.
Don't they even think to question the source of their new information, if that source itself may be a conspiracy with ulterior motives?
I see no indication that you even attempted to confirm any of those claims with independent second or third sources. This is required for any researcher doing serious research. Anyone can find someone who says something idiotic. It should be treated as idiotic until confirmed by independent sources. The reliability of the source is every bit as important as the supposed information they give. Some of your claims are third hand hearsay - if not just unfounded claims pulled from someone's arse.
Skepticalbip,
Don't piss on me. I'm just getting warmed up. I have heard all of the bullshit conspiracy claims. You have to be delusional to think I am delusional enough to fall for any bullshit. But when it comes to the holocaust largely being hoaxed, the evidence seems to support it. For example, as far as I could tell by looking at Wiikipedia and other websites, there actually was a Havarra Agreement. Jews actually were deported to Palestine. Etc. etc. etc. Is that "questioning" enough? Though given the power of those who support the holocaust, it is an uphill battle.
 

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You have to be delusional to think I am delusional enough to fall for any bullshit.
Why? What evidence have you offered to show that you're not subject to delusions? Your familiarity with the actual Holocaust claims, not just the claims made by the people debunking the claims?
Your understanding of German?
Of the timelines of WWII?
How to spell Eisenhower?

But when it comes to the holocaust largely being hoaxed, the evidence seems to support it.
You've got 'someone told me' and 'i saw it on TV.'
That's your evidence.
Oh, and you hate filthy Jews and evil Russians and, apparently, niggers.

Yeah, you're a pillar of credibility, Cultist.
 
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