"evil" one percent capitalists that you admire?

[untermensche]

Yeah because government funded research is really the free market in action.

Draw up the rules. I'm a fair person.

Find a successful capitalist economy without government support and protection.

Then we can see the so-called magic market.

 

[Togo]

I suppose one of the people I most admire was a Singaporean medical entrepreneur. He's done a lot of work in creating a powder-based medicated coating for surgical implants, and pioneering medicated stents. He's registered 7 or so biotech patents that are now the basis of marketable products that are making a great of money (and just under 30 that aren't). Unfortunately he doesn't see much of that money - most of it goes to the venture capital firms or the exit company.

The idea that inventors get fabulously wealthy if the invention is successful is very much a part of the American narrative, but reality is rarely so neat.

Find a successful capitalist economy without government support and protection.

Then we can see the so-called magic market.

Quite so.

 

[Axulus]

The idea that inventors get fabulously wealthy if the invention is successful is very much a part of the American narrative, but reality is rarely so neat.

You mean that one person can't actually do it all by themselves and there are tradeoffs for having other people contribute to the success of your inventions?

 

[Underseer]

The idea that inventors get fabulously wealthy if the invention is successful is very much a part of the American narrative, but reality is rarely so neat.

You mean that one person can't actually do it all by themselves and there are tradeoffs for having other people contribute to the success of your inventions?

So you admit that when you argue that we need to protect patents in order to help the inventors, you're either wrong or lying?

I am glad that you can finally be honest with us. Patents aren't about helping the inventors to you, but is just another thing to make the aristocracy even richer. It always boils down to your worship of the aristocracy, isn't it? It is so refreshing to find a neofeudalist who is willing to be more honest about his priorities.

 

[untermensche]

The idea that inventors get fabulously wealthy if the invention is successful is very much a part of the American narrative, but reality is rarely so neat.

You mean that one person can't actually do it all by themselves and there are tradeoffs for having other people contribute to the success of your inventions?

The innovator needs capital. How they get that capital is not a commandment from the gods. Presently they have to go begging or sell their innovation to others. Better systems could easily be devised.

They also usually need a marketer.

The marketer desperately needs innovation to market and without that innovation can do absolutely nothing.

The innovator has something and needs help marketing it.

The marketer has absolutely nothing and must wait for others to innovate.

Yet in our system the marketer, the junior partner who has absolutely nothing without the innovator, assumes an equal role and sometimes a dominant role.

If you actually look at the present system in case after case reality is turned on it's head and the beggars become the masters.

 

[NobleSavage]

Thanks everyone who fucked up this thread. You have such a hatred of capitalism that you can't see straight.

 

[untermensche]

Thanks everyone who fucked up this thread. You have such a hatred of capitalism that you can't see straight.

Hero worship of people you have never met and don't know, based only on their public persona and manufactured image, is for children.

 

[NobleSavage]

Thanks everyone who fucked up this thread. You have such a hatred of capitalism that you can't see straight.

Hero worship of people you have never met and don't know, based only on their public persona and manufactured image, is for children.

Then make your own thread about it. You just insist on being a jerk, even when asked nicely. I don't "worship" any of these people. The word I used was "admire." I can admire Obama and not worship him and it's not childish. You are displaying a lack of social skill in a VERY child like manner.

 

[untermensche]

Hero worship of people you have never met and don't know, based only on their public persona and manufactured image, is for children.

Then make your own thread about it. You just insist on being a jerk, even when asked nicely. I don't "worship" any of these people. The word I used was "admire." I can admire Obama and not worship him and it's not childish. You are displaying a lack of social skill in a VERY child like manner.

In a world where these people you "admire" are enabled by their theft from others you should expect objections.

 

[arkirk]

Then make your own thread about it. You just insist on being a jerk, even when asked nicely. I don't "worship" any of these people. The word I used was "admire." I can admire Obama and not worship him and it's not childish. You are displaying a lack of social skill in a VERY child like manner.

In a world where these people you "admire" are enabled by their theft from others you should expect objections.

Noble Savage: You seem unable to comprehend that those you adore for their wealthy good manners are the product of cut throat competition. You made this thread for the purpose of flattering people who either spent their entire life in accumulation of unearned wealth or protecting it. Why you find it an important thing to do escapes me. These guys, when interviewed all purport to wear the mantle of great wisdom...as if money could buy wisdom. I have not seen a one of them that I can feel I admire. It is only right to make that statement here.

 

[RVonse]

In a world where these people you "admire" are enabled by their theft from others you should expect objections.

Noble Savage: You seem unable to comprehend that those you adore for their wealthy good manners are the product of cut throat competition. You made this thread for the purpose of flattering people who either spent their entire life in accumulation of unearned wealth or protecting it. Why you find it an important thing to do escapes me. These guys, when interviewed all purport to wear the mantle of great wisdom...as if money could buy wisdom. I have not seen a one of them that I can feel I admire. It is only right to make that statement here.

Have you actually bothered to view the video linked in the OP?

For me, its not just that Musk has been and continues to be a great success story. It is that he is using the forces of capitalism for all the right reasons. After viewing the OP video I get the impression his mission is to create value to society as a means to support his vision to save mankind. And he is willing to bet a good portion of his net worth on that account.

I like him so much I'm almost ready to vote him into saint hood. And this would be coming from someone who has a pretty low regard for most of the other billionaires. Especially the money changer billionaires who have done great harm to the middle class. For example, if Carl Icahn or Frank Lorenzo were on fire I probably wouldn't piss on either of those guys to put their flames out.

Up until now, Henry Ford had been my biggest hero of the industrial capitalists, he pretty much single handedly created the middle class of the US. But I think there will be people in our future giving Musk the same kind of credit for saving the human species.

Not all billionaires are the same.

 

[Underseer]

One of my favorites is Elon Musk. Notable companies: Paypal, SpaceX, and Tesla Motors.

An good talk with him here:

https://www.khanacademy.org/talks-and-interviews/khan-academy-living-room-chats/v/elon-musk

Evil?

I wouldn't dare criticize those who rule over us. Anyone who questions them or their rule is someone who hates our freedom. Long live the aristocracy!

 

[NobleSavage]

untermensche, Underseer, and akarik why don't you guys start a thread on why capitalism sucks and leave this one alone? You seem DETERMINED to not let us have a rational discussion of capitalists that are worth admiring. Your obsessive hatred of an entire class of people is really disgraceful. You are showing the SAME kind of behavior that you condemn elsewhere. I'm sure you have you own internal logic and narrative, but you are as nutty as the intelligent design crowd.

 

[Underseer]

untermensche, Underseer, and akarik why don't you guys start a thread on why capitalism sucks and leave this one alone? You seem DETERMINED to not let us have a rational discussion of capitalists that are worth admiring. Your obsessive hatred of an entire class of people is really disgraceful. You are showing the SAME kind of behavior that you condemn elsewhere. I'm sure you have you own internal logic and narrative, but you are as nutty as the intelligent design crowd.

So if I think it's a bad idea to further increase the amount of wealth and political power wielded by the aristocracy, this means I hate capitalism? How much greater does their political influence over government has to be relative to our influence before you think the aristocrats have enough?

Well, at least you didn't accuse me of hating America and hating freedom. Small steps. Small steps.

 

[NobleSavage]

untermensche, Underseer, and akarik why don't you guys start a thread on why capitalism sucks and leave this one alone? You seem DETERMINED to not let us have a rational discussion of capitalists that are worth admiring. Your obsessive hatred of an entire class of people is really disgraceful. You are showing the SAME kind of behavior that you condemn elsewhere. I'm sure you have you own internal logic and narrative, but you are as nutty as the intelligent design crowd.

So if I think it's a bad idea to further increase the amount of wealth and political power wielded by the aristocracy, this means I hate capitalism? How much greater does their political influence over government has to be relative to our influence before you think the aristocrats have enough?

Well, at least you didn't accuse me of hating America and hating freedom. Small steps. Small steps.

Did I say you hate capitalism? No. I said you hate an entire class of people which seems fairly self evident. And JESUS this thread was NEVER about income inequality, which just might be a problem.

 

[fromderinside]

Small steps. Small steps.

That's what is recommended when one take Awareness training Small, slow, steps with thinking about what is involved in the stepping.

...and around and around and around we go with another capitalist making big bucks every time we go around. This time an MIT physicist.

 

[NobleSavage]

Small steps. Small steps.

That's what is recommended when one take Awareness training Small, slow, steps with thinking about what is involved in the stepping.

...and around and around and around we go with another capitalist making big bucks every time we go around. This time an MIT physicist.

Who is the MIT physicist?

 

[Togo]

Hero worship of people you have never met and don't know, based only on their public persona and manufactured image, is for children.

Then make your own thread about it. You just insist on being a jerk, even when asked nicely. I don't "worship" any of these people. The word I used was "admire." I can admire Obama and not worship him and it's not childish.

Actually, I think it may well be. The point is that admiring people you don't know, based principally on their media profile, is not unambiguously a 'grown up' thing to do.

Nor is it particularly unreasonable to choose 'none' as an answer to the questions. Few here would hesitate to do the same if the thread were about celebrities, criminals or racial supremacists. And having chosen none, to argue why.

What is unreasonable is to open a thread on a politics forum, about a controversial group, asking for praise, and then getting annoyed when people don't just post praise.

 

[NobleSavage]

We didn't have any problems with the "good cops" thread.

 

[NobleSavage]

This MIRL qualification is stupid as well. I admire Tom Robbins, because of his writings, but I've never met him personally. Is it childish to admire Martin Luther King or Gandhi? The only childish thing are those of you who did your best to completely destroy this tread.