Facebook is banning White Separatism and White Nationalism

[Jolly_Penguin]

Starting next week, Facebook and Instagram will remove posts and comments that praise or support white nationalism.

“It’s clear that these concepts are deeply linked to organized hate groups and have no place on our services, ” the company said in a post titled “Standing Against Hate.”

The social network said it hadn’t banned expressions of white nationalism because it was considering the broader scope of the concept, like separatism and pride. However, after conferring with race relations experts, Facebook decided that the rationale it applies to white supremacy also should apply to white nationalism, due to the company’s long-standing policy against hate speech on race, ethnicity or religion.

Facebook said it will apply the same artificial intelligence detection it uses to identify terrorism content for white nationalist posts.

Facebook also said it will connect people who make searches about white supremacy to organizations such as Life After Hate, which was founded by former violent extremists and provides education and support.

Interesting that it was "race relations experts" that they say made the difference for them in deciding this.... and not the attack in NZ.

 

[TSwizzle]

It's their platform, they can do what they want. I'm surprised an alternative to Facebook hasn't been started or maybe there is and I don't know about it but Facebook needs a competitor. I don't understand what Facebook is for, I thought it was just a platform to get in touch with old high school friends or something but it seems there is more to it than that.

 

[Jolly_Penguin]

It's their platform, they can do what they want. I'm surprised an alternative to Facebook hasn't been started or maybe there is and I don't know about it but Facebook needs a competitor. I don't understand what Facebook is for, I thought it was just a platform to get in touch with old high school friends or something but it seems there is more to it than that.

Dunno. I thought that's what it was for too. I don't use it or any other social media anymore. But "Twitter" and "Tweeting" are the one that makes me roll my eyes the most. I just can't take something seriously when its a "Tweet".

 

[dismal]

For a lot of people it's like their social hub. They see what their friends are up to, post their pictures, check out other people's posts, etc.

It's something of a natural monopoly because you want to be on the same platform everyone else is.

My sense is they've lost a lot of ground to things like instagram with the younger generation.

 

[Derec]

Interesting that it was "race relations experts" that they say made the difference for them in deciding this.... and not the attack in NZ.

I wonder which "race relations experts" they consulted. Probably the racist ones who insist that only white people can be racist. How else do you explain that Facebook is not banning black, hispanic or any other kind of nationalism/separatism...

For example, why doesn't Facebook ban the NBPP? What's sauce for the goose should be sauce for the gander.

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My sense is they've lost a lot of ground to things like instagram with the younger generation.

Instagram is owned by Facebook btw.

 

[repoman]

Wonder how long until Stefan Molyneux is booted.

 

[repoman]

My favorite white nationalist with a truth bomb

 

[Patooka]

Ramzpaul is a vile fucking cunt. Fuck him and his opinions. His total value to humanity is what you would get if you sold his organs on eBay.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

My favorite white nationalist with a truth bomb

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On its surface, it sounds like a false equivalence of the word nationalism. I could be wrong. Could you elaborate?

 

[laughing dog]

Interesting that it was "race relations experts" that they say made the difference for them in deciding this.... and not the attack in NZ.

I wonder which "race relations experts" they consulted. Probably the racist ones who insist that only white people can be racist. How else do you explain that Facebook is not banning black, hispanic or any other kind of nationalism/separatism...

That black, hispanic and other nationalists do not have a history of committing lots of violent acts or are not in the recent news committing mass murders?

 

[repoman]

Interesting that it was "race relations experts" that they say made the difference for them in deciding this.... and not the attack in NZ.

I wonder which "race relations experts" they consulted. Probably the racist ones who insist that only white people can be racist. How else do you explain that Facebook is not banning black, hispanic or any other kind of nationalism/separatism...

That black, hispanic and other nationalists do not have a history of committing lots of violent acts or are not in the recent news committing mass murders?

White nationalists want other groups to be nationalists.

 

[repoman]

 

[Worldtraveller]

My favorite white nationalist with a truth bomb

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The fact that you have a favorite white nationalist says a lot about you....

And while I get the point of his post, it's the liberal 'side' that want's to ban or at least regulate white nationalist terrorist groups (because that's what most of them are), and it's (mostly) the right wing that wants to ban criticism of Isreal, so it's a pretty dumb false equivalence.

 

[Jason Harvestdancer]

Gazi is still there. Inconsistent.

 

[repoman]

Gazi is still there. Inconsistent.

Gazi Kodzo?

 

[Tom Sawyer]

While I applaud the move, I don't know how fair it is to ban one party's presidential candidate from social media before an election.

 

[ronburgundy]

It's their platform, they can do what they want. I'm surprised an alternative to Facebook hasn't been started or maybe there is and I don't know about it but Facebook needs a competitor. I don't understand what Facebook is for, I thought it was just a platform to get in touch with old high school friends or something but it seems there is more to it than that.

Dunno. I thought that's what it was for too. I don't use it or any other social media anymore. But "Twitter" and "Tweeting" are the one that makes me roll my eyes the most. I just can't take something seriously when its a "Tweet".

Facebook and Twitter are the primary sources of "news" and "information" for most people these days, especially those under 35.
And even those who use official news outlets are mostly just getting Twitter information second hand from the pseudo journalists whose "research" consists of finding a couple post complaining about something and reporting "Widespread outrage over X."

Then the alt-right get on twitter and start expressing outrage over the non-existent widespread outrage.

 

[ronburgundy]

The social network said it hadn’t banned expressions of white nationalism because it was considering the broader scope of the concept, like separatism and pride. However, after conferring with race relations experts, Facebook decided that the rationale it applies to white supremacy also should apply to white nationalism, due to the company’s long-standing policy against hate speech on race, ethnicity or religion.

Interesting that it was "race relations experts" that they say made the difference for them in deciding this.... and not the attack in NZ.

FB and Twitter both already have the AI collected data to know that the attack in NZ was not isolated and that white supremacy is widespread and on the rise in the US and elsewhere, congealing into organized political efforts that are impacting election outcomes. This is despite claims by our resident white supremacists that it's not a major problem.

Their consultation with race relation experts refers to them being hesitant to ban white supremacist hate speech b/c any AI algorithm would also tag things like white nationalism, separatism, and white "pride". FB was under the delusion those are fundamentally different things. The experts informed then they are not, they are merely various expressions of an underlying white-supremacist ideology.

 

[Politesse]

The white nationalist project will probably not be hurt by this; censorship breeds a sense of martyrdom, and they are good at covering their tracks. FB won't be able to keep up with all the newest dogwhistles and symbols they use to ply their trade, even with this policy. If anyone knows how to post somethign that "seems reasonable" but hides an ugly undercurrent like these white nationalist outfits. Expect fresh outrage every time Facebook tries to shut something down that doesn't explicitly identify itself as a white nationalist hate group in their "about" description.

 

[dismal]

The social network said it hadn’t banned expressions of white nationalism because it was considering the broader scope of the concept, like separatism and pride. However, after conferring with race relations experts, Facebook decided that the rationale it applies to white supremacy also should apply to white nationalism, due to the company’s long-standing policy against hate speech on race, ethnicity or religion.

Interesting that it was "race relations experts" that they say made the difference for them in deciding this.... and not the attack in NZ.

FB and Twitter both already have the AI collected data to know that the attack in NZ was not isolated and that white supremacy is widespread and on the rise in the US and elsewhere, congealing into organized political efforts that are impacting election outcomes. This is despite claims by our resident white supremacists that it's not a major problem.

Their consultation with race relation experts refers to them being hesitant to ban white supremacist hate speech b/c any AI algorithm would also tag things like white nationalism, separatism, and white "pride". FB was under the delusion those are fundamentally different things. The experts informed then they are not, they are merely various expressions of an underlying white-supremacist ideology.

Well, since the guy in NZ was an ideological environmentalist I look forward to facebook shutting down environmentalist groups.