Far-right presidential candidate leading in Austria

[Derec]

There are still absentee ballots to count though and they are taking their sweet time.
Official results
Danke Merkel!

 

[barbos]

looks like he is actually losing or rather lost already

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

looks like he is actually losing or rather lost already

Yeah, the OP seems a day late. Van der Bellen seems to have squeeked through in the end.

Sorry Derec, but the brown shirt outfit is non-returnable.

 

[iolo]

All sing the Horst Wessel Lied! There's SAD!

 

[repoman]

Fuck!

 

[whichphilosophy]

The margin was extremely small. The right has exploited the situation where immigration is not properly controlled. The increasing levels of immigration (non asylum seekers) is far above the level many European countries can cope with when they have enough economic problems of their own.

 

[repoman]

The window for the far right to act as a gate closer will be gone when all these new people are given expedited voting rights.

Not much time...

 

[repoman]

The margin was extremely small. The right has exploited the situation where immigration is not properly controlled. The increasing levels of immigration (non asylum seekers) is far above the level many European countries can cope with when they have enough economic problems of their own.

So if the levels are above a sensible amount, then shouldn't the right win some fucking elections to send a message for the left and center parties to lower immigration? Otherwise there is no accountability.

 

[whichphilosophy]

The margin was extremely small. The right has exploited the situation where immigration is not properly controlled. The increasing levels of immigration (non asylum seekers) is far above the level many European countries can cope with when they have enough economic problems of their own.

So if the levels are above a sensible amount, then shouldn't the right win some fucking elections to send a message for the left and center parties to lower immigration? Otherwise there is no accountability.

The problem is European laws preside over national laws. Economic migration is sort of fused with Asylum, usually from countries the US and allies started wars in. In such circumstances, such as high unemployment, and mass economic migration the right is bound to gain support. Ideally we don't need very much in the way of imported labour. Where we do this should be only on the basis that the person already has a work contract whereupon the British or other European Embassy provide a work visa which the sponsor (employer) has applied for.
The left don't care so much because they are driving in future voters for their parties.

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The margin was extremely small. The right has exploited the situation where immigration is not properly controlled. The increasing levels of immigration (non asylum seekers) is far above the level many European countries can cope with when they have enough economic problems of their own.

So if the levels are above a sensible amount, then shouldn't the right win some fucking elections to send a message for the left and center parties to lower immigration? Otherwise there is no accountability.

The problem is European laws preside over national laws. Economic migration is sort of fused with Asylum, usually from countries the US and allies started wars in. In such circumstances, such as high unemployment, and mass economic migration the right is bound to gain support. Ideally we don't need very much in the way of imported labour. Where we do this should be only on the basis that the person already has a work contract whereupon the British or other European Embassy provide a work visa which the sponsor (employer) has applied for.
The left don't care so much because they are driving in future voters for their parties.

 

[SimpleDon]

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The margin was extremely small. The right has exploited the situation where immigration is not properly controlled. The increasing levels of immigration (non asylum seekers) is far above the level many European countries can cope with when they have enough economic problems of their own.

So if the levels are above a sensible amount, then shouldn't the right win some fucking elections to send a message for the left and center parties to lower immigration? Otherwise there is no accountability.

The problem is European laws preside over national laws. Economic migration is sort of fused with Asylum, usually from countries the US and allies started wars in. In such circumstances, such as high unemployment, and mass economic migration the right is bound to gain support. Ideally we don't need very much in the way of imported labour. Where we do this should be only on the basis that the person already has a work contract whereupon the British or other European Embassy provide a work visa which the sponsor (employer) has applied for.
The left don't care so much because they are driving in future voters for their parties.

The obsession with the supposed evils of immigration is a helpful in understanding of how the right's very narrow worldview limits their understanding of any ongoing situation or event.

All of the developed countries are trending toward one major problem. The birth rate of the population is becoming too low to replace the current population, that is to keep the population from decreasing. Couple this with the fact that older people are living longer and retiring earlier in some countries, Europe mainly, and you have fewer and fewer workers are supporting more retirees.

The obvious and really the only logical solution is to increase the number of workers by increasing immigration. There is really no problem doing this, there is virtually no limit to the number of people who are willing to migrate to the developed countries to have a better life for themselves and a much better life for their children, who won't be immigrants but who will be fully assimilated in the adopted country of their parents.

And as a group immigrants work harder, depend less on welfare and commit fewer crimes than the native population. But the right's worldview with its knee jerk, automatic outrage reaction to assume that any change like this is for the sole purpose of disadvantaging themselves, means that they can only see the immigrants as lazy shiftless criminals who want to take advantage of the generous welfare programs of the host country. There is no room for the truth in the eyes of the right.

This thread and the posts to it are perfect examples of this myopic vision.

 

[iolo]

The margin was extremely small. The right has exploited the situation where immigration is not properly controlled. The increasing levels of immigration (non asylum seekers) is far above the level many European countries can cope with when they have enough economic problems of their own.

Some of them, doubtless, are longing to control immigration as did their famous countryman, Hitler. Austria, unfortunately, was never de-Nazified.

 

[whichphilosophy]

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The margin was extremely small. The right has exploited the situation where immigration is not properly controlled. The increasing levels of immigration (non asylum seekers) is far above the level many European countries can cope with when they have enough economic problems of their own.

So if the levels are above a sensible amount, then shouldn't the right win some fucking elections to send a message for the left and center parties to lower immigration? Otherwise there is no accountability.

The problem is European laws preside over national laws. Economic migration is sort of fused with Asylum, usually from countries the US and allies started wars in. In such circumstances, such as high unemployment, and mass economic migration the right is bound to gain support. Ideally we don't need very much in the way of imported labour. Where we do this should be only on the basis that the person already has a work contract whereupon the British or other European Embassy provide a work visa which the sponsor (employer) has applied for.
The left don't care so much because they are driving in future voters for their parties.

The obsession with the supposed evils of immigration is a helpful in understanding of how the right's very narrow worldview limits their understanding of any ongoing situation or event.

All of the developed countries are trending toward one major problem. The birth rate of the population is becoming too low to replace the current population, that is to keep the population from decreasing. Couple this with the fact that older people are living longer and retiring earlier in some countries, Europe mainly, and you have fewer and fewer workers are supporting more retirees.

The obvious and really the only logical solution is to increase the number of workers by increasing immigration. There is really no problem doing this, there is virtually no limit to the number of people who are willing to migrate to the developed countries to have a better life for themselves and a much better life for their children, who won't be immigrants but who will be fully assimilated in the adopted country of their parents.

And as a group immigrants work harder, depend less on welfare and commit fewer crimes than the native population. But the right's worldview with its knee jerk, automatic outrage reaction to assume that any change like this is for the sole purpose of disadvantaging themselves, means that they can only see the immigrants as lazy shiftless criminals who want to take advantage of the generous welfare programs of the host country. There is no room for the truth in the eyes of the right.

This thread and the posts to it are perfect examples of this myopic vision.

There is high unemployment in countries such as Italy, Greece, Spain and others. Countries like the UK have disguised this with Zero hour contracts where the employer will take the person when there is work. Migrant workers are required but this should be on work contracts signed before they get a visa and enter.
Most work hard but some have welfare and income support for low paid jobs but it can also be a racist comment to suggest that they work harder than local citizens (of all ethnic backgrounds). Other demeaning comments such as immigrants do the jobs local citizens can't do may also be construed as 'racist'.

Without mass migration all the specialist to low paid dirty jobs were still getting done.

 

[whichphilosophy]

The margin was extremely small. The right has exploited the situation where immigration is not properly controlled. The increasing levels of immigration (non asylum seekers) is far above the level many European countries can cope with when they have enough economic problems of their own.

Some of them, doubtless, are longing to control immigration as did their famous countryman, Hitler. Austria, unfortunately, was never de-Nazified.

Austria is very tolerant. I met engineers there from Asia who were working there in major companies. You will find some Filipinos working in hotels and foreign workers. It's not clear whether the right wing will decline after this point.

 

[Derec]

Yeah, the OP seems a day late. Van der Bellen seems to have squeeked through in the end.

I did say they are still counting the absentee ballots and when I posted the OP these had not been counted yet.

Sorry Derec, but the brown shirt outfit is non-returnable.

Not a fan of FPÖ, but the frustration of Austrians with their government's permissive mass migration politics is understandable.

 

[Derec]

The window for the far right to act as a gate closer will be gone when all these new people are given expedited voting rights.
Not much time...

Is it any wonder the far right is gaining throughout Europe?

In the US it is increasingly difficult to do anything about illegal hispanic immigration because of the hispanic vote. Likewise, when Muslim population of Europe reaches a certain threshold it will become even more difficult to curtail illegal migration of Muslims into Europe. At that point, there will be nothing to stop further mass migration of Muslims and Europe becoming an Islamic society. Fortunately, European countries tend not to have automatic birthright citizenship so there is still some hope.

Many of FPÖ's policies are bad, but mainstream parties must take the threat of Muslim mass migration seriously. Otherwise, it could get real ugly in Europe. First of all, Angela Merkel should resign. She failed on migration policy in a very epic way.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

I did say they are still counting the absentee ballots and when I posted the OP these had not been counted yet.

So sad.

Sorry Derec, but the brown shirt outfit is non-returnable.

Not a fan of FPÖ, but the frustration of Austrians with their government's permissive mass migration politics is understandable.

Oh sure... not a fan. Poor Derec.

 

[Derec]

Austria is very tolerant.

Tolerance, like constitution, should not be a suicide pact.

 

[Derec]

Some of them, doubtless, are longing to control immigration

Any sane country needs to control immigration. What's so wrong with controlling immigration?

as did their famous countryman, Hitler. Austria, unfortunately, was never de-Nazified.

Actually Hitler was very favorable toward Muslims and Islam.

He also worked closely with the anti-semitic Grand Mufti of Jerusalem.

They had a common enemy after all, the Jews. Kind of like modern left-wing radicals and radical Islamists do today. Is it any wonder then that the regressive left is pushing the "no borders" crap?

On the other hand, the regressive Left loves to hate Churchill.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Any sane country needs to control immigration. What's so wrong with controlling immigration?

Control... yes. There is little indication there is no control in Austria.

as did their famous countryman, Hitler. Austria, unfortunately, was never de-Nazified.

Actually Hitler was very favorable toward Muslims and Islam.

Just for the record, the people voting for these far right-wing groups are more inline with Hitler that out of line with Hitler. That isn't Godwin, that is truth. So bringing up that Hitler's party worked with some Muslims is a red herring.

 

[Axulus]

The window for the far right to act as a gate closer will be gone when all these new people are given expedited voting rights.
Not much time...

Is it any wonder the far right is gaining throughout Europe?

In the US it is increasingly difficult to do anything about illegal hispanic immigration because of the hispanic vote. Likewise, when Muslim population of Europe reaches a certain threshold it will become even more difficult to curtail illegal migration of Muslims into Europe. At that point, there will be nothing to stop further mass migration of Muslims and Europe becoming an Islamic society. Fortunately, European countries tend not to have automatic birthright citizenship so there is still some hope.

Many of FPÖ's policies are bad, but mainstream parties must take the threat of Muslim mass migration seriously. Otherwise, it could get real ugly in Europe. First of all, Angela Merkel should resign. She failed on migration policy in a very epic way.

What exactly needs to be done about "illegal hispanic immigration"? There has been very little net illegal immigration to the US over the past decade. Obama also vastly expanded deportations under his tenure.