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FDA far too conservative in approving new drugs, research finds, leading to more deaths from disease

Axulus

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I have long argued that the FDA has an incentive to delay the introduction of new drugs because approving a bad drug (Type I error) has more severe consequences for the FDA than does failing to approve a good drug (Type II error). In the former case at least some victims are identifiable and the New York Times writes stories about them and how they died because the FDA failed. In the latter case, when the FDA fails to approve a good drug, people die but the bodies are buried in an invisible graveyard.

In an excellent new paper (SSRN also here) Vahid Montazerhodjat and Andrew Lo use a Bayesian analysis to model the optimal tradeoff in clinical trials between sample size, Type I and Type II error. Failing to approve a good drug is more costly, for example, the more severe the disease. Thus, for a very serious disease, we might be willing to accept a greater Type I error in return for a lower Type II error. The number of people with the disease also matters. Holding severity constant, for example, the more people with the disease the more you want to increase sample size to reduce Type I error. All of these variables interact.

In an innovation the authors use the U.S. Burden of Disease Study to find the number of deaths and the disability severity caused by each major disease. Using this data they estimate the costs of failing to approve a good drug. Similarly, using data on the costs of adverse medical treatment they estimate the cost of approving a bad drug.

Putting all this together the authors find that the FDA is often dramatically too conservative:

…we show that the current standards of drug-approval are weighted more on avoiding a Type I error (approving ineffective therapies) rather than a Type II error (rejecting effective therapies). For example, the standard Type I error of 2.5% is too conservative for clinical trials of therapies for pancreatic cancer—a disease with a 5-year survival rate of 1% for stage IV patients (American Cancer Society estimate, last updated 3 February 2013). The BDA-optimal size for these clinical trials is 27.9%, reflecting the fact that, for these desperate patients, the cost of trying an ineffective drug is considerably less than the cost of not trying an effective one.

(The authors also find that the FDA is occasionally a little too aggressive but these errors are much smaller, for example, the authors find that for prostate cancer therapies the optimal significance level is 1.2% compared to a standard rule of 2.5%.)

The result is important especially because in a number of respects, Montazerhodjat and Lo underestimate the costs of FDA conservatism. Most importantly, the authors are optimizing at the clinical trial stage assuming that the supply of drugs available to be tested is fixed. Larger trials, however, are more expensive and the greater the expense of FDA trials the fewer new drugs will be developed. Thus, a conservative FDA reduces the flow of new drugs to be tested. In a sense, failing to approve a good drug has two costs, the opportunity cost of lives that could have been saved and the cost of reducing the incentive to invest in R&D. In contrast, approving a bad drug while still an error at least has the advantage of helping to incentivize R&D (similarly, a subsidy to R&D incentivizes R&D in a sense mostly by covering the costs of failed ventures).

http://marginalrevolution.com/#sthash.nKBsoyEv.dpuf

See the paper here:

http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2641547

The FDA being far too cautious in approving drugs for deadly diseases means more dead bodies and shorter life spans for those who already have a relatively short life span already.
 
Did you actually read the paper? Because your last (only?) statement would imply you had not.

All this paper is doing is creating a potential mechanism to track efficiency of a new treatment verses the severity of a disease to create an 'acceptable risk' ratio. IE, the worse the disease the higher the allowable risk of harm or lower threshold of the effectiveness of the treatment. An LRFD of sorts take on drug approval.
 
Did you actually read the paper? Because your last (only?) statement would imply you had not.

All this paper is doing is creating a potential mechanism to track efficiency of a new treatment verses the severity of a disease to create an 'acceptable risk' ratio. IE, the worse the disease the higher the allowable risk of harm or lower threshold of the effectiveness of the treatment. An LRFD of sorts take on drug approval.

Nah, political jabs are more important.
 
Did you actually read the paper? Because your last (only?) statement would imply you had not.

All this paper is doing is creating a potential mechanism to track efficiency of a new treatment verses the severity of a disease to create an 'acceptable risk' ratio. IE, the worse the disease the higher the allowable risk of harm or lower threshold of the effectiveness of the treatment. An LRFD of sorts take on drug approval.

Your reading comprehension problem is rearing its ugly head again.

From the paper:

For example, the standard Type I error of 2.5% is too conservative for clinical trials of therapies for pancreatic cancer—a disease with a 5-year survival rate of 1% for stage IV patients.

This is just one of many examples. In fact, the paper goes through 25:

We compute BDA-optimal sizes for 25 of the most lethal diseases
and the paper demonstrates that the FDA's 2.5% threshold is far too low for most of these. In fact, it is too low for 20 out of 25 of them (page 15).
 
Did you actually read the paper? Because your last (only?) statement would imply you had not.

All this paper is doing is creating a potential mechanism to track efficiency of a new treatment verses the severity of a disease to create an 'acceptable risk' ratio. IE, the worse the disease the higher the allowable risk of harm or lower threshold of the effectiveness of the treatment. An LRFD of sorts take on drug approval.

Nah, political jabs are more important.

Well at least he is now aware of Type I and Type II errors. His ideology will always point to the government being wrong however.;)
 
Your reading comprehension problem is rearing its ugly head again.

From the paper:

For example, the standard Type I error of 2.5% is too conservative for clinical trials of therapies for pancreatic cancer—a disease with a 5-year survival rate of 1% for stage IV patients.

This is just one of many examples.
You mean one of the only right (you know requoting what someone quoted out of the paper doesn't count as reading the paper, right?)? The paper does as I noted. It tries to add value to approval of a lesser effective treatment based on the severity of the disease. IE, just because a treatment has been approved because it meets the lower standard doesn't mean the treatment is any more effective that it was demonstrated to be.

Wasting a patient's time with ineffective treatments is ridiculous. That doesn't make their proposed system a failure, however, it does not also indicate what you are proposing that the FDA is a brick wall to approval of effective treatments is true.
 
You mean one of the only right (you know requoting what someone quoted out of the paper doesn't count as reading the paper, right?)? The paper does as I noted. It tries to add value to approval of a lesser effective treatment based on the severity of the disease. IE, just because a treatment has been approved because it meets the lower standard doesn't mean the treatment is any more effective that it was demonstrated to be.

Nor does it mean that it is not effective. Hence the whole purpose of the paper.

Denying approval of a drug does _not_ mean the trial didn't show it was effective. Rather that it wasn't proven beyond the 2.5% type I error threshold that it was safe and effective enough for approval.

Wasting a patient's time with ineffective treatments is ridiculous.

Killing a patient because you denied approval of a treatment that in reality does help their disease is far more ridiculous than wasting their time.

The paper shows that the 2.5% FDA threshold is far too low for 20 out of 25 deadly diseases. This conservative approach, as the OP pointed out, further harms patients by reducing R&D spending, killing people due to drugs that never see the light of day when the preliminary research results are not promising enough to warrant hundreds of millions of dollars on a gamble that it will pass through the FDA's strict process.
 
Nor does it mean that it is not effective. Hence the whole purpose of the paper.
To clear up a little confusion here, I said less, not not (none).

None, to no extent; in no way; not at all

Less, to a smaller extent.

Denying approval of a drug does _not_ mean the trial didn't show it was effective. Rather that it wasn't proven beyond the 2.5% type I error threshold that it was safe and effective enough for approval.
Yeah.

Wasting a patient's time with ineffective treatments is ridiculous.
Killing a patient because you denied approval of a treatment that in reality does help their disease is far more ridiculous than wasting their time.
"That in reality does help their disease?" That's a big assumption.

The paper shows that the 2.5% FDA threshold is far too low for 20 out of 25 deadly diseases.
"Far too low" for 20 out of 25 deadly diseases? Care to justify that claim, ie "far too low?" for "20 out of 25" deadly diseases? The paper doesn't say that.
This conservative approach, as the OP pointed out...
You mean the article you quoted claimed?
...further harms patients by reducing R&D spending, killing people due to drugs that never see the light of day when the preliminary research results are not promising enough to warrant hundreds of millions of dollars on a gamble that it will pass through the FDA's strict process.
The paper says that FDA's "strict" process isn't strict enough for more common diseases. The paper suggests loosening up the protocol on a treatment by treatment and disease by disease basis, but also does lament that the FDA is privy to data not available to the general public as well when it comes to approval of treatments. And finally, the paper says that their analysis should be used, but not "mechanically" when it comes to approval of treatments. IE, this stuff is more complicated than you want to admit.
 
Your reading comprehension problem is rearing its ugly head again.

From the paper:

For example, the standard Type I error of 2.5% is too conservative for clinical trials of therapies for pancreatic cancer—a disease with a 5-year survival rate of 1% for stage IV patients.

This is just one of many examples. In fact, the paper goes through 25:

We compute BDA-optimal sizes for 25 of the most lethal diseases
and the paper demonstrates that the FDA's 2.5% threshold is far too low for most of these. In fact, it is too low for 20 out of 25 of them (page 15).
And that it is too high for others.

But Jimmy is correct, the authors are proposing a new way of looking at setting targets. Using a limited sample, this new method indicates that the FDA standard is too stringent. That does not mean that the FDA standards are always too stringent (as the paper explicitly recognizes).
 
It is a trade-off we have been making a long time.

To ensure safety and effectiveness in the future some may be harmed by conservative actions in the present.

The entities that are desperately trying to distort the system are the drug manufacturers.

The FDA struggles to keep them in line since their main concern is profit, not safety and effectiveness.
 
Would Axulus want to return to the supposed Good Old Days before the FDA? Like when lots of quack medicines were freely sold? Including deadly quackery like  Radithor. In fact, with his apparent ideology that business leaders are always good and governments should always support them and never get in their way, then the makers of Radithor were automatically good and should have been protected from liability and reprisals.
 
Your reading comprehension problem is rearing its ugly head again.

From the paper:



This is just one of many examples. In fact, the paper goes through 25:

We compute BDA-optimal sizes for 25 of the most lethal diseases
and the paper demonstrates that the FDA's 2.5% threshold is far too low for most of these. In fact, it is too low for 20 out of 25 of them (page 15).
And that it is too high for others.

But Jimmy is correct, the authors are proposing a new way of looking at setting targets. Using a limited sample, this new method indicates that the FDA standard is too stringent. That does not mean that the FDA standards are always too stringent (as the paper explicitly recognizes).

Agreed. The standard is and has been too strigent overall, but not necessarily for wvery single disease/condition. This defect means that some promising research on potential drugs get abandoned because they aren't promising enough, and some get rejected that would've actually been beneficial overall. This means too much loss of life than need be.

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Would Axulus want to return to the supposed Good Old Days before the FDA? Like when lots of quack medicines were freely sold? Including deadly quackery like  Radithor. In fact, with his apparent ideology that business leaders are always good and governments should always support them and never get in their way, then the makers of Radithor were automatically good and should have been protected from liability and reprisals.

Black and white fundamentalist thinkers can think of no other option between the status quo and abolishing the FDA.
 
It is a trade-off we have been making a long time.

To ensure safety and effectiveness in the future some may be harmed by conservative actions in the present.

The entities that are desperately trying to distort the system are the drug manufacturers.

The FDA struggles to keep them in line since their main concern is profit, not safety and effectiveness.

The FDA just needs to use different criteria depending on the disease/condition.
 
Instead of easing approval I think what we need is a big overhaul of compassionate use.

1) It shouldn't simply be an option, any drug in phase II trials or beyond should be available for compassionate use at the actual cost of production + a reasonable amount for distribution/recordkeeping. A drug company can choose to convert an application for compassionate use into enrolling them in a trial.

2) While adverse events in compassionate use should be reportable they should not count against the drug unless there's something very unusual about them. (As it stands now when something bad happens with a compassionate use patient it's a negative for the drug--even though in compassionate use there aren't proper controls to associate consequences with the drug vs
other issues.)

Beyond this I would like to see some changes to the actual approval system:

1) I would like to see the FDA approval requirements revamped. Drugs that work for only a small--and unidentifiable--subset of the patients should still be approvable with major warnings, although the drug company should be required to spend at some level towards identifying what the factor is. (And they should be permitted reasonable testing of the patients getting the drug in order to figure out the factor. You want this drug, your doc has to submit the results of test <x>.)

2) Therapies with a demonstrated record of success and safety and which are unpatentable should be approvable with warnings as last-resort therapies.
 
It is a trade-off we have been making a long time.

To ensure safety and effectiveness in the future some may be harmed by conservative actions in the present.

The entities that are desperately trying to distort the system are the drug manufacturers.

The FDA struggles to keep them in line since their main concern is profit, not safety and effectiveness.

The FDA just needs to use different criteria depending on the disease/condition.

Even if a drug is for a terminal disease you still have to carefully test it for safety and effectiveness.

You have to know if the drug is doing more good than harm.
 
I don't think it's sensible to place equal weight on harm/death caused by the disease, and harm/death caused by the medicine. The FDA is about approving medicines as safe. If people who take the medicine suffer at the same rate as those who don't, why would anyone use them? Overall outcome is not the only consideration here.
 
Agreed. The standard is and has been too strigent overall, but not necessarily for wvery single disease/condition. This defect means that some promising research on potential drugs get abandoned because they aren't promising enough, and some get rejected that would've actually been beneficial overall. This means too much loss of life than need be.
The extent of that is entirely unknown and not indicated in the report.

Would Axulus want to return to the supposed Good Old Days before the FDA? Like when lots of quack medicines were freely sold? Including deadly quackery like  Radithor. In fact, with his apparent ideology that business leaders are always good and governments should always support them and never get in their way, then the makers of Radithor were automatically good and should have been protected from liability and reprisals.
Black and white fundamentalist thinkers can think of no other option between the status quo and abolishing the FDA.
If your OP was written from a more centrist position, maybe the implied anti-FDA attitude wouldn't have been presumed.

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The FDA just needs to use different criteria depending on the disease/condition.

Even if a drug is for a terminal disease you still have to carefully test it for safety and effectiveness.

You have to know if the drug is doing more good than harm.
And Axulus doesn't seem to understand that just because a treatment isn't very effective getting approved doesn't automatically make the treatment very effective.
 
Jimmy Higgins said:
And Axulus doesn't seem to understand that just because a treatment isn't very effective getting approved doesn't automatically make the treatment very effective.

You don't seem to understand how the criteria currently works. The FDA rejects drugs unless they can prove beyond a 97.5% confidence level that they are safe enough and effective. For pancratic cancer, this is absolutely nuts. Drugs that have an 80% chance of being safe and effective should be getting through. An 80% chance is 4 out of 5 chance of extending someone's life. Just because a drug only has an 80% chance does not mean it isn't a favorable gamble to approve it for those suffering from this disease.
 
Instead of easing approval I think what we need is a big overhaul of compassionate use.

1) It shouldn't simply be an option, any drug in phase II trials or beyond should be available for compassionate use at the actual cost of production + a reasonable amount for distribution/recordkeeping. A drug company can choose to convert an application for compassionate use into enrolling them in a trial.

2) While adverse events in compassionate use should be reportable they should not count against the drug unless there's something very unusual about them. (As it stands now when something bad happens with a compassionate use patient it's a negative for the drug--even though in compassionate use there aren't proper controls to associate consequences with the drug vs
other issues.)

Beyond this I would like to see some changes to the actual approval system:

1) I would like to see the FDA approval requirements revamped.Y (And they should be permitted reasonable testing of the patients getting the drug in order to figure out the factor. You want this drug, your doc has to submit the results of test <x>.)

2) Therapies with a demonstrated record of success and safety and which are unpatentable should be approvable with warnings as last-resort therapies.

You go to your doctor and fill out a new patient sheet. On it you clearly spell out you are allergic to Penicillin and Sulfa. Before the day is out, you are at a Pharmacy somewhere turning down a prescription for Penicillin. Even with approved drugs there appears to be a kind of professional absent mindedness when it comes to paying attention to the patient.

I agree with your point two.
 
Jimmy Higgins said:
And Axulus doesn't seem to understand that just because a treatment isn't very effective getting approved doesn't automatically make the treatment very effective.

You don't seem to understand how the criteria currently works. The FDA rejects drugs unless they can prove beyond a 97.5% confidence level that they are safe enough and effective. For pancratic cancer, this is absolutely nuts. Drugs that have an 80% chance of being safe and effective should be getting through. An 80% chance is 4 out of 5 chance of extending someone's life. Just because a drug only has an 80% chance does not mean it isn't a favorable gamble to approve it for those suffering from this disease.
How many drugs didn't meet the standard and were rejected?
 
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