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Ted Cruz submits resolution to designate antifa as terrorists

Senate Resolution 279 (S.Res. 279) which Sen. Bill Cassidy (R-Louisiana) introduced on July 18, and which was co-sponsored by Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas), is the most serious attempt so far by the right to capitalize on a panic it has manufactured about antifa. Short for “antifascist,” antifa is a highly decentralized movement made of differing groups and individuals who counter-organize against fascist and other far-right organizing. It has exploded in popularity since 2016 but has no leadership, no national decision-making structure and no organized funding base.

But for two years now, a number of the more conservative media outlets have been erroneously portraying antifa as a highly disciplined organization that functions as the underground, paramilitary wing of the Democratic Party. They claim it is funded and controlled by liberal financier George Soros, who is portrayed as the movement’s “puppet master” — and who, just coincidentally, happens to be Jewish. (The image of the wealthy Jewish puppet master who is controlling progressive social movements from behind the scenes has been a mainstay of anti-Semitic politics since the 19th century.)

This is the wedge that opens the door to criminalizing dissent. Like BLM, there is no defining characteristic or membership charter that applies to all and only antifa protests. The term "antifa" is an umbrella that covers any leftist organizing that is meant to counter far-right activity in public. Cruz demonstrated his ignorance of this fact by hilariously requesting that the FBI open a RICO investigation into antifa.

Ted Cruz said:
Today I penned a letter to Attorney General William Barr, Deputy Attorney General Jeffrey Rosen, and FBI Director Christopher Wray calling for an investigation into Antifa under the Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act (RICO).

That's like asking for a RICO investigation of "environmentalism" or "animal rights activism". There's nothing to investigate except an ideological position. There's no consolidated membership, no pool of shared resources, no dedicated communications network, and no official party to speak of. The only thing that's usable as an identifier, then, is the act of organizing in public to oppose far-right activity. Trump had this to say about the resolution:

Donald Trump said:
Consideration is being given to declaring ANTIFA, the gutless Radical Left Wack Jobs who go around hitting (only non-fighters) people over the heads with baseball bats, a major Organization of Terror (along with MS-13 & others). Would make it easier for police to do their job!

Note that no RICO investigation has been called for in the context of the far right's acts of terrorism, which have claimed many lives. Even extending the scope of antifa to include anyone who claims to represent the anti-fascist movement, nobody has been killed by antifa. People have been injured, usually in minor ways or by implements of humiliation rather than by bullets or bludgeons. But there are already laws against assault, and these apply to anyone in public regardless of context--except in self-defense, which is arguably the rationale for antifa movements wherever they appear, whenever they have formed.

Antifa is societal self-defense against fascism, manifested as physical resistance to fascists. In literally every historical instance of fascism rising in a nation, antifas have risen in parallel to combat it. The term "antifa" doesn't mean anything more than that, just like the term "abolitionist" can refer to any of the anti-slavery movements that naturally appeared whenever slavery was prevalent in a society. Opposition movements like this are always characterized by a degree of violence in response to the threat they are trying to defend against. This includes civil rights-era protests, even those organized under Dr. King.

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We all know how the FBI dealt with that situation.

Back a little further, there is ample evidence of the same anti-leftist policy in the actions of Hitler in 1933, when he used false rumors of "violent bolsheviks" to argue for the opening of the Dachau concentration camp, where he assured Germany thousands of communists and Marxists would be held.

Right now, before our eyes, the President who is checking all the boxes on the path to fascism is coming out in support of the only movement in America that opposes it. If you care about our country, you should not support this resolution; you should support antifa, communists and all, militants and all, or admit that you are doing nothing to contribute to the fight against fascism.
 
America was nice while it lasted. Apparently governance is a thing of the past and tilting at windmills to rile up the base is all that matters now.
 
KKK - not terrorists
Nazis - not terrorists
Opposition to the above groups? - you can get arrested and sent to jail

Is it time to flee to another country for safety?
 
KKK - not terrorists
Nazis - not terrorists
Opposition to the above groups? - you can get arrested and sent to jail

Nazis and KKK can't be sent to jail if they commit crimes? Things you "learn" on this forum ...

Antifa are left-wing radicals who are just the left-wing version of these other radical groups. I do not see why they should not be sent to jail if they assault somebody for example.

Fun fact: Antifa started in pre-WWII Germany as a an organ of KPD, the German Communist Party.

Is it time to flee to another country for safety?
I heard nice things about Honduras and El Salvador.
 
Someone doesn't know what being designated a terrorist means.

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I would say threatening to burn your political opponents alive (anybody right of center is a "fascist" to the Antifas) counts as making terroristic threats, don't you think?

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Charming!
 
Meanwhile, the Garlic Festival shooter, who killed 3 people including a 6 year-old boy and wounded 12, has been identified as a teenager who hates Mexicans and encourages people to read Ragnar Redbeard.

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Diagnosis: probably a lone wolf who happens to have the exact same ideological grounding as the last dozen lone wolves, best not to conclude anything from it
 
Meanwhile, the Garlic Festival shooter, who killed 3 people including a 6 year-old boy and wounded 12, has been identified as a teenager who hates Mexicans and encourages people to read Ragnar Redbeard.

Diagnosis: probably a lone wolf who happens to have the exact same ideological grounding as the last dozen lone wolves, best not to conclude anything from it
Based on what I've read, he didn't really like much of anyone.
 
Meanwhile, the Garlic Festival shooter, who killed 3 people including a 6 year-old boy and wounded 12, has been identified as a teenager who hates Mexicans and encourages people to read Ragnar Redbeard.

Diagnosis: probably a lone wolf who happens to have the exact same ideological grounding as the last dozen lone wolves, best not to conclude anything from it
Based on what I've read, he didn't really like much of anyone.

Yeah, such a meanie! Totally unpleasant character, a real jerk
 
Meanwhile, the Garlic Festival shooter, who killed 3 people including a 6 year-old boy and wounded 12, has been identified as a teenager who hates Mexicans and encourages people to read Ragnar Redbeard.

Diagnosis: probably a lone wolf who happens to have the exact same ideological grounding as the last dozen lone wolves, best not to conclude anything from it
Based on what I've read, he didn't really like much of anyone.

Yeah, such a meanie! Totally unpleasant character, a real jerk
You mentioned he doesn't like Mexicans, but he clearly doesn't seem to be big on whites either. You linked his distaste for Mexicans to Trump. What is the source of his distaste for white people? I'd rather we not politicize disturbing acts of violence if it really wasn't a political act.
 
Yeah, such a meanie! Totally unpleasant character, a real jerk
You mentioned he doesn't like Mexicans, but he clearly doesn't seem to be big on whites either. You linked his distaste for Mexicans to Trump. What is the source of his distaste for white people? I'd rather we not politicize disturbing acts of violence if it really wasn't a political act.

It's less than 24 hours after the shooting, so I really can't say for sure. But it's obvious that even if the shooter left behind a detailed manifesto about his intentions and the inspiration he derived from the MAGA people, the YouTube personalities that monetize racism, and the usual demonization of "liberal elites", it still wouldn't be enough to prompt any kind of investigation into the pattern of right-wing mass murder that has occurred with astonishing regularity in this country for years now. There would be the usual tut-tutting about mental health services and gun control, which are red herrings to divert everybody's attention from the fact that almost all domestic terrorism in the United States has been carried out by the extreme right. It paints a picture of political equivalence across the spectrum, when in reality the one side is actively perpetrating the killings and the other is spontaneously mobilizing to stop them.

By the way, almost no mass shootings are apolitical. Virtually none. Anybody who voluntarily decides to kill a bunch of strangers and goes through the trouble of traveling someplace specific to do so isn't just a misanthrope. They have targets that they consider deserving of death for some reason, based on some quality that is perceived to be a relevant determinant of their value as a human being. You can't make those kinds of distinctions without an ideology, even if it's incoherent and depraved. It might be a stretch to say all mass shootings are explicitly political, of course, but there is obviously a political element at play when the same populations are turned into victims and the same demographic category of shooter keeps popping up again and again, airing the same kinds of grievances over and over. There are no acts of terrorism in recent memory targeted against landlords, for example. Or bankers, or pharma executives. Those would be the types of killings you'd expect to see in equal number if there was no political motivation for rampant killing, either in terms of who commits it or who is affected by it. You'd see rural whites gunned down by the dozens in the same way that urban blacks have been. But you don't see that, because American terrorism is a right-wing phenomenon.
 
Yeah, such a meanie! Totally unpleasant character, a real jerk
You mentioned he doesn't like Mexicans, but he clearly doesn't seem to be big on whites either. You linked his distaste for Mexicans to Trump. What is the source of his distaste for white people? I'd rather we not politicize disturbing acts of violence if it really wasn't a political act.

It's less than 24 hours after the shooting, so I really can't say for sure.
Then maybe we should not politicize things if we don't have the details.
But it's obvious that even if the shooter left behind a detailed manifesto about his intentions and the inspiration he derived from the MAGA people, the YouTube personalities that monetize racism, and the usual demonization of "liberal elites", it still wouldn't be enough to prompt any kind of investigation into the pattern of right-wing mass murder that has occurred with astonishing regularity in this country for years now.
Most of the mass murders have been 'senseless' random or work targets. Yes, far right-wing related hate crime has elevated and people are quite comfortable coming out with their positions, but you are guilty of hyperbole regarding the "astonishing regularity" of "right-wing mass murder".

By the way, almost no mass shootings are apolitical. Virtually none.
School shootings, workplace shootings, and Las Vegas round out the most common. Those weren't political.
 
You'd see rural whites gunned down by the dozens in the same way that urban blacks have been. But you don't see that, because American terrorism is a right-wing phenomenon.

Actually, these mass shootings don't tend to occur in urban black areas. Of course, those areas are high in criminal violence, indeed, the highest rates in the country, but that's not really the same phenomenon as spree shooters, which most definitely affected white people.


Right-wing terrorism isn't even a small fraction of the source of the high gun-death rate in urban black areas.

Indeed, that you would imply this makes me skeptical of your ability to reason about any of this to begin with.
 

They are synonyms my dude. You, Trump, and Ted can look for a difference all you want, like when corporate asked Pam to find the differences between the two identical pictures in that one episode of The Office. Your bedfellows in this search should give you pause about the premise that there is a difference to be found.
 
It's less than 24 hours after the shooting, so I really can't say for sure.
Then maybe we should not politicize things if we don't have the details.
But it's obvious that even if the shooter left behind a detailed manifesto about his intentions and the inspiration he derived from the MAGA people, the YouTube personalities that monetize racism, and the usual demonization of "liberal elites", it still wouldn't be enough to prompt any kind of investigation into the pattern of right-wing mass murder that has occurred with astonishing regularity in this country for years now.
Most of the mass murders have been 'senseless' random or work targets. Yes, far right-wing related hate crime has elevated and people are quite comfortable coming out with their positions, but you are guilty of hyperbole regarding the "astonishing regularity" of "right-wing mass murder".

By the way, almost no mass shootings are apolitical. Virtually none.
School shootings, workplace shootings, and Las Vegas round out the most common. Those weren't political.

Anyway, it's now becoming clear that the garlic festival shooter was indeed a white supremacist. The book he referenced in the Instagram post is required reading for Nazis and wannabes everywhere, about how only the strong should survive and how certain races are stronger than others (and how certain people within a race are stronger than others, hence his disdain for the "silicon valley whites"). This is textbook right-wing fascism. Nobody in the US government cares. But if he was pelted with an egg while intimidating immigrants, the person who threw the egg would be designated a domestic terrorist by Cruz's proposed resolution.
 
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