Flu vaccine mandatory at Cornell...for white students

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Deeper into Woke clownworld we go. You couldn't make this stuff up.

https://www.lawenforcementtoday.com...nation-mandatory-but-only-for-white-students/

An Ivy League university is requiring that white students receive an annual flu vaccination, while providing an exemption for students belonging to any other race. Because of “historical injustices and current events,” Cornell University will grant to “people of color” an exemption from its requirement that all students get a flu vaccination.
You are forgiven if you get a migraine trying to untangle the logic behind the reasoning for this exemption.
Apparently, because of “systemic racism and health inequities” in the United States, “individuals from some marginalized communities may have concerns about needing to agree to such requirements.”
The following is from the Cornell Health website, cornell.health.edu:
“We recognize that, due to longstanding systemic racism and health inequities in this country, individuals from some marginalized communities may have concerns about needing to agree to such requirements.
For example, historically, the bodies of Black, Indigenous, and other People of Color (BIPOC) have been mistreated, and used by people in power, sometimes for profit or medical gain.
“It is understandable that the current Compact requirements may feel suspect or even exploitative to some BIPOC members of the Cornell community. Additionally, recent acts of violence against Black people by law enforcement may contribute to feelings of distrust or powerlessness.
We know this history and validate the potential concerns it may raise. At the same time, we know that long-standing social inequalities and health disparities have resulted in COVID-19 disproportionately affecting BIPOC individuals.
“Higher percentages of individuals from these communities become infected with COVID, and the health outcomes related to infection are often more serious.
Away from campus community, BIPOC individuals are not as likely to have access to preventive services or quality health care. The systems, services, and policies being implemented at Cornell seek to address these inequalities as well as the differential impacts.”

I've read through a few articles to see if events are being misreported, given the clickbait headline. But they're not.

https://www.campusreform.org/article?id=16344

 

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Henrietta Lacks. Tuskegee syphilis study and a lot of other offenses that have bread distrust of government medical anything over the years.

Not mandating/requiring minorities to get the vaccine is an attempt to get them to have a higher vaccination rate.

It doesn't give me a migraine to comprehend what is being done.

 

[Trausti]

So anti-vaxx is apparently cool if it’s woke.

 

[Metaphor]

Henrietta Lacks. Tuskegee syphilis study and a lot of other offenses that have bread distrust of government medical anything over the years.

Not mandating/requiring minorities to get the vaccine is an attempt to get them to have a higher vaccination rate.

It doesn't give me a migraine to comprehend what is being done.

It doesn't bother you that a university makes race-based exemptions to a mandatory requirement? And that white people who refuse to take the vaccination would be forbidden from continuing their education at Cornell?

 

[scombrid]

So anti-vaxx is apparently cool if it’s woke.

No. It isn't. But it is reality.

This is merely not being tone deaf to what makes this set of people likely to be anti-vax and attempting to counteract it for improved average health outcomes.

You know what is really funny about anti-vax? Trump and the GOP have adopted 99% of the anti-vaxxers into their tent. Check out the head anti-vaxxer NaturalNews and the like. They are all 100% trump as are a fuck ton of the anti-GMO and chemtrails conspiritards. They have found a home in the Republican Party and have been greeted with open arms to the extent that you can't tell an average Republican from a QANON devote anymore. Blindly supporting the windmill cancer birther president will do that to you.

 

[Trausti]

So anti-vaxx is apparently cool if it’s woke.

No. It isn't. But it is reality.

This is merely not being tone deaf to what makes this set of people likely to be anti-vax and attempting to counteract it for improved average health outcomes.

You know what is really funny about anti-vax? Trump and the GOP have adopted 99% of the anti-vaxxers into their tent. Check out the head anti-vaxxer NaturalNews and the like. They are all 100% trump as are a fuck ton of the anti-GMO and chemtrails conspiritards. They have found a home in the Republican Party and have been greeted with open arms to the extent that you can't tell an average Republican from a QANON devote anymore. Blindly supporting the windmill cancer birther president will do that to you.

Oh, mea culpa. Forgot the progressive mantra that black people are to be treated like addled children and held to lower standards.

 

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It doesn't bother you that a university makes race-based exemptions to a mandatory requirement? And that white people who refuse to take the vaccination would be forbidden from continuing their education at Cornell?

Your complaint in the OP was:

You are forgiven if you get a migraine trying to untangle the logic behind the reasoning for this exemption.

I pointed out that the reasoning followed a logical progression.

Indeed it is sad that people stick to their conspiracy theories even in an educational setting. But people are people and most hold onto their ingrained prejudice and beliefs no matter what. But hey, this is murica and the entire GOP voting base believes that the CCP bought Brian Kemp and that Georgia both had voting switching machines and fake ballots. So I guess we let people wallow in such beliefs around here. At least in this case there is a reason for trying to improve the vaccination rate.

Though at this point I think we should bring back polio and let vaccination for that be entirely voluntary so that the people drinking from the OANN/Newsmax/Gatewaypundit/Infowars/Breitbart wells can voluntarily forgo the vaccination and just take some B12 or Alex Jones Megaman supplements instead.

 

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Oh, mea culpa. Forgot the progressive mantra that black people are to be treated like addled children and held to lower standards.

Yeah that's the ticket. Addled children. That's all the red hats that think that the CCP bought Brian Kemp and that Bill Barr is a deep state plant and look how the GOP has cultivated that garden.

 

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It doesn't bother you that a university makes race-based exemptions to a mandatory requirement? And that white people who refuse to take the vaccination would be forbidden from continuing their education at Cornell?

Your complaint in the OP was:

You are forgiven if you get a migraine trying to untangle the logic behind the reasoning for this exemption.

I pointed out that the reasoning followed a logical progression.

Indeed it is sad that people stick to their conspiracy theories even in an educational setting. But hey, this is murica and the entire GOP voting base believes that the CCP bought Brian Kemp and that Georgia both had voting switching machines and fake ballots. So I guess we let people wallow in such beliefs around here. At this point I think we should bring back polio and let vaccination for that be entirely voluntary so that the people drinking from the OANN/Newsmax/Gatewaypundit/Infowars/Breitbart well can voluntarily forgo the vaccination and just take some B12 or Alex Jones Megaman supplements instead.

I do not believe vaccines are a conspiracy theory and nothing I've written implies I do.

My complaint is that Cornell is discriminating by race, they are doing it openly, they are using boilerplate CRT verbiage to justify it, and apparently this is a-okay, nothing to see here, and here's an opportunity to kvetch about anti-vaxxers?

Do you simply not care that Cornell is openly discriminating by race in what it requires of students to study there?

 

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https://www.rt.com/op-ed/509059-cornell-university-vaccine-white-only/

Quality journalism. Funny they are so hot to trot for American social issues of this sort.

OP read some articles on the right wing sites and they all said the same thing. Imaging that. I wonder if OP read the full policies? I read the policies and the mandatory flu is the only one where there is a possibility to get a non-religious or non-medical exemption and it isn't automatic. How much you want to bet that the vaccine compliance among BILOC students at Cornell is WAY higher than among any given white Christian community. This is really just a nod of acknowledgement and it is hilarious to do a google search and see the right wing angst about it.

 

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Your complaint in the OP was:

I pointed out that the reasoning followed a logical progression.

Indeed it is sad that people stick to their conspiracy theories even in an educational setting. But hey, this is murica and the entire GOP voting base believes that the CCP bought Brian Kemp and that Georgia both had voting switching machines and fake ballots. So I guess we let people wallow in such beliefs around here. At this point I think we should bring back polio and let vaccination for that be entirely voluntary so that the people drinking from the OANN/Newsmax/Gatewaypundit/Infowars/Breitbart well can voluntarily forgo the vaccination and just take some B12 or Alex Jones Megaman supplements instead.

I do not believe vaccines are a conspiracy theory and nothing I've written implies I do.

My complaint is that Cornell is discriminating by race, they are doing it openly, they are using boilerplate CRT verbiage to justify it, and apparently this is a-okay, nothing to see here, and here's an opportunity to kvetch about anti-vaxxers?

Do you simply not care that Cornell is openly discriminating by race in what it requires of students to study there?

Troutsi opened door on the anti-vaxx generalization. This is America. Anti-vaxx likes Trump. Anti-vaxx people of color are actually likely to be Kanye West types that flipped to the GOP. I'm sure there are some lefty whackos.

Immunization requirements are in place to protect the health of the community. Therefore, very few exemptions are allowed by New York State Public Health Law.* At present, two exemptions may be pursued: a medical exemption and a religious exemption.

IMPORTANT: Should you choose either form of exemption (medical or religious), please note that in the event of an outbreak of measles, mumps, or rubella on the Cornell campus, New York State law will require you to leave campus (even if you live in a Cornell residence hall or apartment or have a Cornell Dining contract) until the Tompkins County/New York State Health Department has declared it safe for you to return. You will not be permitted to attend classes, laboratories, exams, or paid or volunteer positions; or to participate in any other campus activity. Your own assessment of the risk your presence on campus might pose to you or others will not factor in their decision.

To qualify for an exemption, you must submit one of the following:

Medical exemption: A medical exemption must be written by a physician, physician assistant, or nurse practitioner and state that a valid contraindication to vaccination exists. The exemption must specify which immunizations are contraindicated and why, and how long the medical contraindication will last.
Please upload your exemption documentation by logging in to myCornellHealth and selecting Messages & Pharmacy Services > New Message > Send a message or an attachment to Immunization Requirements.

Religious exemption*: A religious exemption is a written and signed statement from the student that they object to immunization due to their religious beliefs (parent or guardian signature required of students less than 18 years of age). The statement must address all of the following elements:
Explain in your own words why you are requesting this religious exemption.
Describe the religious principles that guide your objection to immunization.
Indicate whether you are opposed to all immunizations, and if not, the religious basis that prohibits particular immunizations.
Upload your religious exemption request by logging in to myCornellHealth and selecting Messages & Pharmacy Services > New Message > Send a message or an attachment to Immunization Requirements.
Prior religious exemption statements addressed to other institutions are not considered valid.
*Philosophical, political, scientific, or sociological objections to immunization do not justify an exemption under New York State Public Health Law Section 2165.

Other exemption (for *FLU VACCINATION* requirement only): Ithaca students with other concerns / extenuating circumstances may request an exemption from the Fall 2020 flu vaccination requirement that is part of the university's COVID-19 Behavioral Compact. (Learn more about why Cornell is requiring flu vaccination for students.) Students who identify as Black, Indigenous, or as a Person of Color (BIPOC) may have personal concerns about fulfilling the Compact requirements based on historical injustices and current events, and may find this information helpful in considering an exemption.
To apply for a non-medical/religious exemption to the flu vaccination requirement, students should send us a secure message through our patient portal explaining why you believe you should receive an exemption from this requirement. Log in to myCornellHealth and select Messages & Pharmacy Services > New Message > Send a message or an attachment to Immunization Requirements.

Pretty narrow.

 

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Troutsi opened door on the anti-vaxx generalization. This is America. Anti-vaxx likes Trump. Anti-vaxx people of color are actually likely to be Kanye West types that flipped to the GOP. I'm sure there are some lefty whackos.

Please discuss your "anti vax" derail elsewhere. It has nothing to do with the OP.

Pretty narrow.

Can you answer the question I posed earlier? Does it not bother you at all that Cornell is discriminating by race in what it requires of its students, and it is openly advertising its discrimination?

 

[J842P]

Henrietta Lacks. Tuskegee syphilis study and a lot of other offenses that have bread distrust of government medical anything over the years.

Not mandating/requiring minorities to get the vaccine is an attempt to get them to have a higher vaccination rate.

It doesn't give me a migraine to comprehend what is being done.

This is insulting, and racist.

 

[laughing dog]

Can you answer the question I posed earlier? Does it not bother you at all that Cornell is discriminating by race in what it requires of its students, and it is openly advertising its discrimination?

From the quoted text in scrombrid's last post -

ther exemption (for *FLU VACCINATION* requirement only): Ithaca students with other concerns / extenuating circumstances may request an exemption from the Fall 2020 flu vaccination requirement that is part of the university's COVID-19 Behavioral Compact. (Learn more about why Cornell is requiring flu vaccination for students.) Students who identify as Black, Indigenous, or as a Person of Color (BIPOC) may have personal concerns about fulfilling the Compact requirements based on historical injustices and current events, and may find this information helpful in considering an exemption.
To apply for a non-medical/religious exemption to the flu vaccination requirement, students should send us a secure message through our patient portal explaining why you believe you should receive an exemption from this requirement.

That means any student can request an exemption. So what discrimination are you talking about?

 

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Can you answer the question I posed earlier? Does it not bother you at all that Cornell is discriminating by race in what it requires of its students, and it is openly advertising its discrimination?

From the quoted text in scrombrid's last post -

ther exemption (for *FLU VACCINATION* requirement only): Ithaca students with other concerns / extenuating circumstances may request an exemption from the Fall 2020 flu vaccination requirement that is part of the university's COVID-19 Behavioral Compact. (Learn more about why Cornell is requiring flu vaccination for students.) Students who identify as Black, Indigenous, or as a Person of Color (BIPOC) may have personal concerns about fulfilling the Compact requirements based on historical injustices and current events, and may find this information helpful in considering an exemption.
To apply for a non-medical/religious exemption to the flu vaccination requirement, students should send us a secure message through our patient portal explaining why you believe you should receive an exemption from this requirement.

That means any student can request an exemption. So what discrimination are you talking about?

I knew you would be obtuse about this.

Any student can apply for a medical or religious exemption. No discrimination there, except of course once again we see people who believe things for bad reasons (religious exemptions) be allowed to indulge that, whilst people who believe things for other reasons (good or bad, doesn't matter - political, sociological, ideological) - no exemption on that basis.

The "other exemption" rule specifically names BIPOC students as students who would be given an exemption based on their BIPOC status, if they want one. That isn't a reason available to white students. Cornell is discriminating by race.

 

[T.G.G. Moogly]

Your complaint in the OP was:

I pointed out that the reasoning followed a logical progression.

Indeed it is sad that people stick to their conspiracy theories even in an educational setting. But hey, this is murica and the entire GOP voting base believes that the CCP bought Brian Kemp and that Georgia both had voting switching machines and fake ballots. So I guess we let people wallow in such beliefs around here. At this point I think we should bring back polio and let vaccination for that be entirely voluntary so that the people drinking from the OANN/Newsmax/Gatewaypundit/Infowars/Breitbart well can voluntarily forgo the vaccination and just take some B12 or Alex Jones Megaman supplements instead.

I do not believe vaccines are a conspiracy theory and nothing I've written implies I do.

My complaint is that Cornell is discriminating by race, they are doing it openly, they are using boilerplate CRT verbiage to justify it, and apparently this is a-okay, nothing to see here, and here's an opportunity to kvetch about anti-vaxxers?

Do you simply not care that Cornell is openly discriminating by race in what it requires of students to study there?

Have you ever been a student there? Do you know anyone who has ever been a student there? Have they told you what Cornell is like?

That this is a race issue makes me think the claimant is cognitively impaired, at least biased, which is really the same thing. Cornell is clearly being a leader, doing the historically proper and just thing. Controversial certainly, but that is what leaders do. There's just not taking Dubya's money, they're known for this. No one with a smidgen of intelligence should be surprised.

 

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Have you ever been a student there? Do you know anyone who has ever been a student there? Have they told you what Cornell is like?

Is this meant to be some kind of defence? What on earth does my student status there have to do with a discussion on whether universities, including universities that take public funds, should be able or not able to discriminate by race?

Do you think private and public institutions should be able to discriminate by race?

That this is a race issue makes me think the claimant is cognitively impaired, at least biased, which is really the same thing. Cornell is clearly being a leader, doing the historically proper and just thing. Controversial certainly, but that is what leaders do. There's just not taking Dubya's money, they're known for this. No one with a smidgen of intelligence should be surprised.

Surprised? I'm not surprised institutions in the fever-grip of CRT are discriminating against white people. No, "surprised" is not the word, Moogly. I was surprised by the openness of the admission, though.

Though I am, seemingly, repeatedly surprised by how much support people on this board espouse for open discrimination by race (as long as it's discrimination against white people). I should stop being surprised, I suppose, and revise my perceptions of the morality of posters on this board downwards.

 

[scombrid]

Henrietta Lacks. Tuskegee syphilis study and a lot of other offenses that have bread distrust of government medical anything over the years.

Not mandating/requiring minorities to get the vaccine is an attempt to get them to have a higher vaccination rate.

It doesn't give me a migraine to comprehend what is being done.

This is insulting, and racist.

I was wrong. After reading the full policy I see I was wrong. It is a respectful nod to historical harms.

 

[laughing dog]

From the quoted text in scrombrid's last post -
That means any student can request an exemption. So what discrimination are you talking about?

I knew you would be obtuse about this.

You knew jack shit as usual.

Any student can apply for a medical or religious exemption. No discrimination there, except of course once again we see people who believe things for bad reasons (religious exemptions) be allowed to indulge that, whilst people who believe things for other reasons (good or bad, doesn't matter - political, sociological, ideological) - no exemption on that basis.

The "other exemption" rule specifically names BIPOC students as students who would be given an exemption based on their BIPOC status, if they want one. That isn't a reason available to white students. Cornell is discriminating by race.

Try to actually think instead of mimicking what some conservative clickbait brays. Cornell is simply pointing out that a possible non-medical exemption for BIPOC who"may have personal concerns about fulfilling the Compact requirements based on historical injustices and current events, and may find this information helpful in considering an exemption." There is no evidence whatsoever that if white people can come up with historical injustices and current events that may generate personal concerns on their part , that they will be rejected.

 

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You knew jack shit as usual.

Any student can apply for a medical or religious exemption. No discrimination there, except of course once again we see people who believe things for bad reasons (religious exemptions) be allowed to indulge that, whilst people who believe things for other reasons (good or bad, doesn't matter - political, sociological, ideological) - no exemption on that basis.

The "other exemption" rule specifically names BIPOC students as students who would be given an exemption based on their BIPOC status, if they want one. That isn't a reason available to white students. Cornell is discriminating by race.

Try to actually think instead of mimicking what some conservative clickbait brays. Cornell is simply pointing out that a possible non-medical exemption for BIPOC who"may have personal concerns about fulfilling the Compact requirements based on historical injustices and current events, and may find this information helpful in considering an exemption." There is no evidence whatsoever that if white people can come up with historical injustices and current events that may generate personal concerns on their part , that they will be rejected.

Oy gevalt one obtuseness doth thread upon the other's heels, so quickly they follow.

BIPOC can be given an exemption as BIPOC. No white person will be given an exemption as white people.

Or, to put it another way: every single exemption available to white people is available to BIPOC people, but BIPOC can get an additional exemption solely for being BIPOC.