For those who think the IDF kills too many civilians

[Jayjay]

Hamas is what Islamism produces. It is just the local version of Al Qaeda, Taliban, Hezbollah, Arakan Rohingya Salvation Army, Islamic State and many others.

What happened first?

Israeli oppression or Hamas?

Islamism is also what oppression produces.

Hamas is an offshoot of the Muslim Brotherhood that was founded before Israel even existed, in a country that is not occupied or oppressed by Israel.

 

[untermensche]

What happened first?

Israeli oppression or Hamas?

Islamism is also what oppression produces.

Hamas is an offshoot of the Muslim Brotherhood that was founded before Israel even existed, in a country that is not occupied or oppressed by Israel.

It didn't exist until long after the Israeli oppression started.

Israel is the oppressor here.

Yes, ugly things arise from oppression.

Maybe they should stop. But then they would have to stop stealing land and illegally building on land already stolen.

 

[Jayjay]

Hamas is an offshoot of the Muslim Brotherhood that was founded before Israel even existed, in a country that is not occupied or oppressed by Israel.

It didn't exist until long after the Israeli oppression started.

Israel is the oppressor here.

Yes, ugly things arise from oppression.

Maybe they should stop. But then they would have to stop stealing land and illegally building on land already stolen.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_Brotherhood

Founded in 1928 in Egypt, where it has always been strong. Hamas didn't show up until much later, but MB is where its ideological roots are. This world explanation of yours where everything bad that ever happened is due to Israeli, American or Western oppression is getting old.

 

[untermensche]

It didn't exist until long after the Israeli oppression started.

Israel is the oppressor here.

Yes, ugly things arise from oppression.

Maybe they should stop. But then they would have to stop stealing land and illegally building on land already stolen.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_Brotherhood

Founded in 1928 in Egypt, where it has always been strong. Hamas didn't show up until much later, but MB is where its ideological roots are. This world explanation of yours where everything bad that ever happened is due to Israeli, American or Western oppression is getting old.

We're talking about Hamas. Saying they are really something else is ignorance.

They arose because of Israeli oppression and torture and murder. They did not arise in a vacuum.

 

[Jayjay]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_Brotherhood

Founded in 1928 in Egypt, where it has always been strong. Hamas didn't show up until much later, but MB is where its ideological roots are. This world explanation of yours where everything bad that ever happened is due to Israeli, American or Western oppression is getting old.

We're talking about Hamas. Saying they are really something else is ignorance.

They arose because of Israeli oppression and torture and murder. They did not arise in a vacuum.

Without Muslim Brotherhood there would be no Hamas. Israeli oppression is not the main factor, because PLO and numerous other groups are facing just as much oppression and they aren't fascists religious zealots like Hamas. If anything, Gaza faced much less oppression than West Bank even before the pullout.

 

[untermensche]

We're talking about Hamas. Saying they are really something else is ignorance.

They arose because of Israeli oppression and torture and murder. They did not arise in a vacuum.

Without Muslim Brotherhood there would be no Hamas. Israeli oppression is not the main factor, because PLO and numerous other groups are facing just as much oppression and they aren't fascists religious zealots like Hamas. If anything, Gaza faced much less oppression than West Bank even before the pullout.

Hamas is not the Muslim Brotherhood.

Without Israeli oppression Hamas never exists.

It is very easy for those who are not the victims of Israeli non-stop oppression to claim it is nothing.

 

[sharon45]

Hamas is exploiting lots of people, and profiting widely from its own violence and oppression.

 

[Arctish]

How many dead civilians is "just right"?

Getting back to the topic of this thread, is anyone interested in answering laughing dog's question?